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Postby Siden » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:09 pm

Southern Cross wrote:And how about the old Akane is secretly a lesbian trope?
How many people seriously believe that bit of fanon?

Where does this one come from? Same with the "Akane the man hater" bull. While Akane may have some issues in regards to teenage boys she has been shown to have no problems with males of different ages, or even ones her own age that don't act like the lot at Furikan. So where does this all-encompasing misandry that some authors love to drag out come from? I mean c'mon, if she was a lesbian/misandrist like some authors make her out to be, then there would be no way at all that she would have had that crush on Tofu in the beginning of the manga, nor would she worry about Ranma the way she does.

It is one thing to not like a character (I honestly can't stand any of the fiancees myself), but to villify or mutate them just to suite your needs stinks of poor writing and fanboyism.
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Postby Southern Cross » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:59 pm

Actually,it comes from the old saw "If she hates men,she must be a lesbian".
The problem with that,is that the only sort of man Akane hates are obvious perverts.She gets along fine with INOBVIOUS perverts,like Ryouga and the enchanted do-gi.
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Postby Southern Cross » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:20 pm

And,after rereading Twisted Path I began to wonder-does Happosai actually make a habit of demon-summoning in the manga? I recall reading plenty of fanfiction where he makes use of summoning scrolls,but as far as I can recall of the manga he tends to use magic items (such as the spring sleep incense) instead.
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Postby Drawde » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:44 pm

Nope, Happosai never summons demons. No idea where that cliche came from. It's an old one though
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Postby KonokoHasano » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:13 pm

Drawde wrote:Nope, Happosai never summons demons. No idea where that cliche came from. It's an old one though

Someone probably wrote that angle once, and then someone else copied the idea. Pretty soon, it became cliche and all.

Similar to the cliche of Mrs. Tendo's name being Kimiko. One person had to start that.
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Postby Spokavriel » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:35 pm

I'm not so certain you could say Never on the summoning aspect. In a way he did summon out Ranma's darker nature as that near Demonic Ranma-chan. So it isn't too much of a stretch imagining him doing other summoning. He just never called up something to attack someone.

Really when it comes to Happosai unless the act can add to his enjoyment; Revenge for the most part isn't fun look at how he terrorized the house First with paint and punching holes in doors along with prank calls and a later time with mold.

But without him personally enjoying some aspect of it he would most likely do something else. So calling a demon for the express purpose of teaching someone a lesson... Unless it's a Succubus where's the enjoyment for Happy?
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Postby whatever » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:35 pm

If I remember correctly in the anime there is one episode when Happosai summons demons similar to him thanks to the help of some magical cards so that might explain that cliche.
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Postby Spokavriel » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:38 pm

The Kuno Demon deck was completely accidental And he was more a victim of the cards than just about anyone else in that episode.
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Postby antimatterenergy » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:14 pm

The most likely person to summon a kami (demon's, spirits, and gods are all kami -some mortals as well the emperor is supposedly a kami) on purpose to get at Ranma is Gosungunki since he practices Ushi no koku mairi (known better as Japanese voodoo) and one of the rituals is supposed to summon a shinigami. Though really it's hard to find anything about the rituals involved in both books and on the net (much easier to find info on Haitian voodoo). I've found a few of them but not many and the most interesting one I found involved nailing a doll with hair/blood from your intended victim to a tree at a shrine so that the doll looks to the north-east during the time of the ox (between 1 and 3 am) for multiple nights. You're supposed to also chant something while doing it but I don't know what and this particular ritual you also were supposed to have a bone comb but I don't know what purpose that had either.

Accidental summoning several characters could Ranma's or Ryoga's strong emotions (fear from cats and depression) could draw some types to them. Anyways the manga had several kami - divine horse (fickle animal Kami are fairly common in Shinto) and the oni were a few of the kami seen.
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Postby Seed00 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:59 am

Kasumi is a Saint

Someone please tell me this is wrong. Isn't this the woman who put cats on a guy whom she was told was afraid of cats?
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Postby Spokavriel » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:08 am

She had been reading Dr Tofu's books and one of the things frequently mentioned to help with phobias is aversion therapy. She just didn't do it the right way and Ranma did manage fairly well in that pit under the Gym until the tiger popped up.
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Postby whatever » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:33 pm

While I myself agree Kasumi isn't a saint I could understand why some people feel like she is one or at least compare to the others;I mean if we compare Kasumi to a good amount of the others members of the cast she is one of the few who hasn't steal, try to murder,cheat, blackmail,insult, bully, make property damage on anyone or anything, IIRC.
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Postby FriendlyEL » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:05 pm

The more I think of it the 2.5 rating she ended up getting sounds about right for her, which is pretty saintly compared to alot of the other charachters. The more I think of it I feel she's really more passive aggressive and subtle than she is kind-hearted.

Another fan misconception involving Kasumi, she secretly loves Ranma and is appalled by Akane's treatment of him. I don't think this is true myself, considering the fact that she at times actively encourages it.
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Postby Jupiah » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:51 pm

How about those fics that focus on the Nekoken and make it into some kind of malevolent demonic spirit slowly taking over Ranma's mind, or in which he does something horrific like kill someone while thinking himself a cat? They generally also make it so that the Nekoken is activated absurdly easily, at the mere sight of a cat often enough.

Even though it's clear in the manga that Neko-Ranma is much more playful than truly dangerous, and those ki-claws, while damaging to the environment, inexplicably only cut up Genma's clothing. Obviously, they're not nearly as dangerous as they look. It also clearly takes a rather extreme situation to activate the Nekoken in canon. Being covered in cats, and standing in a room filled with hundreds of them couldn't do it. It took a freakin' tiger to make Ranma snap. That is some serious cat exposure. It always bugs me when fanfiction authors ignore that chapter and make a single kitten drive him into some kind of unstoppable berserker rage.

Most authors try to handwave activating the Nekoken so easily by saying that each time it happens, it becomes a little easier, ignoring the fact that in canon the exact opposite is implied. It took a tiger to originally make him snap. However, twice in the manga after that point, Ranma is close to a tiger and isn't freaked out.

Here he rides on the back of a tiger.

Here a tiger chews on his head!

Clearly, Ranma has mastered his fear of cats at least to the point where tigers no longer bother him. If he's not afraid of tigers anymore, than I doubt ordinary cats could still faze him. Only Mao Mo Lin and Neko-Shampoo still terrify him after the Nekoken arc. I can't recall him ever freaking out over a normal cat after that.

[Edit] Fixed links and grammar a bit. Don't know how I messed up those links like that.
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Postby Spokavriel » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:15 pm

You posted index links instead of the page links.
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