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Postby striker1346 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:48 pm

Nekomata-sensei wrote:A stabalized and combined person would probably have more feelings for James.

I wonder what kind of feeling those would be? Loving, friendship, or etc....
Though it might be curious to see what would happen if they ever got brought back to life....
Well thats all my questions on that area of the story, now what kind of pairing are you going to have for Harry himself?
I hope to see this story up soon, it sounds like one that i would want to keep track of....
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Postby Climhazard » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:01 pm

Lily grew up with female hormones, and without Ranma's male memories.

Ummm... Most people got wrong idea's about hormones...
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Postby Hazard » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:09 pm

Climhazard wrote:Ummm... Most people got wrong idea's about hormones...

Too true, there have been many studies in regards to sexual orientation and the like troughout the years. Trough these studies it has become clear that homosexual women have the same, or similar enough, 'wiring' as heterosexual men have, with the opposite just as true.
This means quite simply that unless the wiring is shifted as well due to the Jusenkyo curse, a gay man cursed to become a woman, is a heterosexual as a woman. Sexual orientation is not the same as, nor is it linked with, gender orientation.
If the wiring does shift as well, it's unlikely it would happen in an instant, but it would leave a tremendous psychological mess in the afflicted, especially if the curse gets locked, and Ranma has been locked several times, for periods that may well span weeks. Enough time for such a shift to become apparrant.
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Postby Nekomata-sensei » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 pm

Hazard and Climhazard: Well, I might have the wrong idea about hormones an orientation, but my idea is still viable. A complete Ranma would be bisexual, but Lily and Ranma in this context are feminized and masculinized aspects of Ranma's personality. I've heard that people with MPD often have personalities with different orientations. Ranma's mind is fractured, both by magic and upbringing, and only Ranma's memories and knowledge have been fully converged together, which is the only reason Ranma's even aware of the existence of Lily.
I was thinking there would even be a Lily 'voice' in Ranma's head occasionally when Lily would do things differently from Ranma. Or the neko-ken reacting in the background that Ranma blocks out but Lily hears, and sometimes tells Ranma about.
striker1346: Complete Ranma would have romantic/sexual/friendship love for James like Lily did, but would loose the grudge against Akane and have a form of sibling type love towards her. There will be no bringing back to life in this fic.
As for Harry's pairings, that's still undecided. I don't want there to be any Harry/Cho romance, but there might be some Harry/Ginny or Harry/Hermione romance, possibly even Harry/Luna. I probably won't really go for a more long term relationship approach. If Harry dates, it will be only dating, with a little snogging. Nothing like plans to stay together forever, get married, or anything that would give the fic an M rating as far as Harry's relationships go. (the fic might still get an M rating for other reasons going by fanfiction.net's rules)
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Postby Khortez » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:55 pm

One of the most obvious problems I see would be that it would make 'Lily' an asian in an anglo-saxxon family. The difference in facial features would be outstandingly evident. That and the racial features would have passed onto Harry so it would be evident as well that he asian-british or whatever the equivalent of asian-american is over there. The protection charm that also hid Harry from Voldemort due to him living with is aunt would also be negated since there would be no blood bond between them.
Since Ranma loved Akane, wouldn't some of that affection have seeped over to Lily as well, just as her love for James did for Ranma? And wouldn't the traumatic event like the Catfist stayed with Lily, making her insanely fearful of cats, and thus triggering some former memories? Plus since amnesia doesn't really affect all former memory, Lily would be able to speak fluent japanese at age 1 or whatever age she was regressed to. I just noticed but you also had Ranko be fully aware of herself at her normal age, before reverting her a 1 year old, so she would know she wasn't really Lily Evans.
Also you would need to have a more specific reason for Happosai to go to England when he could just pass Ranko off to someone else, lets say the Amazons who would foster Ranko in a manner she would be more accustomed to, or perhaps even Nodoka, who is her mother, or another family close by. Considering that the Japanese Ministry would no longer be after her, and considering that Happosai is dying I just don't see him making that long voyage just to drop Ranko off to be someplace new when every place would be new to her. Also why wouldn't the Japanese Ministry of Magic simply cure their curses, when there is a known cure unlike for werewolves? As Arthur Weasley can testify to, the Ministry doesn't just cover up magic, but helps people who've come in contact with it before mind wiping them.
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Postby Nekomata-sensei » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:54 pm

Khortez wrote:One of the most obvious problems I see would be that it would make 'Lily' an asian in an anglo-saxxon family. The difference in facial features would be outstandingly evident. That and the racial features would have passed onto Harry so it would be evident as well that he asian-british or whatever the equivalent of asian-american is over there. The protection charm that also hid Harry from Voldemort due to him living with is aunt would also be negated since there would be no blood bond between them.

I allready explained this part, but I'll do it again in more detail. Happosai picked out the family that would take Ranma, and tricked them into taking her, probably using magic. He also used an artifact he had to make her related to them, changing her appearance to a more anglo-saxxon one. She only kept her hair and eye colors.
Since Ranma loved Akane, wouldn't some of that affection have seeped over to Lily as well, just as her love for James did for Ranma? And wouldn't the traumatic event like the Catfist stayed with Lily, making her insanely fearful of cats, and thus triggering some former memories? Plus since amnesia doesn't really affect all former memory, Lily would be able to speak fluent japanese at age 1 or whatever age she was regressed to. I just noticed but you also had Ranko be fully aware of herself at her normal age, before reverting her a 1 year old, so she would know she wasn't really Lily Evans.
All Ranma's memories from his time as male were erased by oblivation. Even that catfist memories, because of this, she can't remember the cat fist training, and thus isn't afraid of cats, although she might be a bit skittish around them at first. She'd get used to them quickly in a place like Hogwarts and would counter any fear with logic. Lily's love for James didn't really seep over for Ranma, he just remembers it, from Lily's perspective, and is too similar in personality to the prankster Prongs to really dislike him without being hypocritical, and the inteligence cultivated by the time as Lily allowed him to think of James in a more logical and objective manner, rather than simply feeling violeted. Lily does have the ability to speak fluent Japanese from age one and some disjointed memories of her time with Nodoka as 'Ranko Tendo', she also understood some English since Ranma knew English from Hinako-sensei's class, but doesn't know how she learned it. Lily would have appeared to simply be a genius, and she quickly saw her Ranko memories as hallucinations or dreams when she got older and stopped pretending that she was getting a new chance at life from what to her might have seemed the god-like entity of Happosai.
Also you would need to have a more specific reason for Happosai to go to England when he could just pass Ranko off to someone else, lets say the Amazons who would foster Ranko in a manner she would be more accustomed to, or perhaps even Nodoka, who is her mother, or another family close by. Considering that the Japanese Ministry would no longer be after her, and considering that Happosai is dying I just don't see him making that long voyage just to drop Ranko off to be someplace new when every place would be new to her. Also why wouldn't the Japanese Ministry of Magic simply cure their curses, when there is a known cure unlike for werewolves? As Arthur Weasley can testify to, the Ministry doesn't just cover up magic, but helps people who've come in contact with it before mind wiping them.

I said the Ministry couldn't cure the Jusenkyo curses. They can lock them, but they can't cure them. I think I'll have the Chinese Ministry of magic have destroyed Jusenkyo to prevent future accidents. The Japanese ministry would just lock Ranma's curse, but they think he/she is a muggle, so the oblivate him/her as well. Happosai goes to England since they have the most world renoun and powerful school of magic, Hogwarts, and he wants to give Ranma a chance to learn magic and return to Japan to get revenge on the Japanese ministry for what they did to him/her. Happosai was setting Ranma up to end up going to Hogwarts, without being tracked down by the Japanese ministry before that. Happosai wanted her not to be tracked down so he had to flee the country and not take anyone else with him. None of Ranma's normal aquiantances and friends were magical, although many possessed curses or artifacts, those were taken from them or locked.
Ranma had been given a choice by the Japanese ministry, live in hinding from the muggle world (which included the Tendos, and Ukyo, and many others) or be locked and oblivated. Ranma refused both options, and was attacked by the Japanese Ministry. It was a tough and devastating battle, but Ranma was outnumbered by large numbers of opponents with ranged attacks that could defeat him with only a glancing blow, who could track him wherever he went.
Happosai didn't have the abilities to restore Ranma himself, and didn't want to traumatize Ranko by telling her she's a girl, and was also beggining to die, so he set her up in a place she'd be safe from furthur interferance and would have the highest chance of discovering what was done to her. His plan failed, sort of, since Ranma's dead.
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