Ranma/Wheel of Time Crossover/Fusion.

[StarEyed]

I only ever read the first book, and that was a while ago, but I seem to remember that male channelers go crazy and start killing people.
In that case, given the twisted logic that Aes Sedai sometimes seem to subscride to, gentling them might be considered using the One Power as a weapon in defense of life.
Sort of a preemptive strike.

[Materia-Blade]

Hmm... I'm pretty sure this whole conversation about stilling and gentling doesn't really directly pertain to the story idea... where are you lwf58?
Anyways. For the story. It's a really good idea, and I'd love to see it. Honestly a way to make ranma Red Ajah, plausible would be genius (if a little odd as he's... sorta a guy.) Lol.
What I want to know is what your actual STORY would be about? Bad guy? Dark One I assume right? Thus the bad guy is the DO, the Forsaken, Darkfriends, Shadowspawn, Trollocs, Draghkar(sp?) etc.
Now what exactly is the purpose of making Ranma weaker? And why would it take him ten years to attain the shawl? It doesn't take anyone ten years to attain the shawl! (I believe Moiraine pulled it in six, along with Elaida, and Siuan. Egwene made Amyrlin-freaking-Seat in about a year and a half! Nynaeve pulled accepted in time = 0.00)
The story centers around Ranma correct? I don't understand why you would be going for having him weaker than Moiraine. That makes any/all of the forsaken kick her a... butt.
By the way, something that hasn't been mentioned here and seems rather (EXTREMELY) important. Blue ajah are not described as manipulators, though they do do that. They serve justice and seek right. Which Is why I could easily see Ranma in the Blue. Green is unlikely. Or if so, it would be unusual. The greens like their men.
Now, you've laid out that you plan for Ranma to go to the Tower, return to home, and possibly get Shampoo for a Warder. Reactions of the tendo crew? By the way, will ten years have gone by that ranma has been gone in the Nerima world? Or will Ranma have just been gone for a few seconds and suddenly "pop" back with a shawl? Regardless, all that happens. Now what? You'd laid grounds for the intro. Where's the action? And sorry. I can't picture Ranma willingly in Novice White robes, nor can I picture him/her willingly going to the tower. I can, however, picture her getting in the Amyrlin's face.
What will happen now? Rand? Will the Dragon Reborn make an appearance? If so, and Ranma just another Aes Sedai, Weaker even than Moiraine, and not even in the right time frame to hear Guitarra's fortelling of the Dragon Reborn, what importance does she have? Why should I read that story? Why would I read about "Just another (Weaker) Aes Sedai?"
You gotta do something to catch the readers eyes. Perhaps... i dunno, weld a angreal into Ranma-chan or something that gives her the ability to channel in the first place, or perhaps a ter'angreal that gives HER the ability. (the whole genetics thing, you know.) You could have him channel both, and have the effects of the ability to channel Saidar counterbalance the taint from Saidin.
In regards to an earlier comment. "You won't find anyone over thirty who can channel Saidin."
HA! Yeah... well you know... you won't find anyone over thirty... except like half the Asha'men! Taim, the M'Hael? Who has been channelling for the past 15 years? Ha ha? Hee hee? Yeah. Even with the taint.
What I've done in my fic was give Ranma Saidin. I used Jusenkyo as a mental "veil." In Ranma's mind, there is a black wall barring saidin when "he" is a "she." (All this is something not yet known in my fic so don't tell!) She can break through it after several years of mental pounding on the wall and get Saidin, but only in small amounts. Regardless, Jusenkyo filters the taint. However, when a guy, Ranma is a guy with full access to Saidin. You see?
Now, it seems to me that the only thing that makes Ranma special is her Ki, and her basic INABILITY to lose. Anytime. And of course, the curse. And as far as your story goes, the ability to sense men channelling (not to be confused with "Men who can channel. Just men channeling.")
Nothing majorly cool. Nothing making it interesting to focus your story on Ranma. You could tell the story from Moiraine's point of view about, "That one fiery-haired novice who took ten years to become Aes Sedai and chose x ajah and then suddenly disappeared.)
I just think it needs more oomph. Somthing more... just something more.
Particularly a plot "after" ranma comes back to Nerima. Plus I think you'd get bored with writing the White Tower part.

[Pale Wolf]

Hmm... I'm pretty sure this whole conversation about stilling and gentling doesn't really directly pertain to the story idea... where are you lwf58?

Not at all. It is directly related to the story. The plan is to put Ranma in the Ajah that does it.
I would appreciate if you, in the future, didn't try to stifle this kind of relevant discussion.

The story centers around Ranma correct? I don't understand why you would be going for having him weaker than Moiraine. That makes any/all of the forsaken kick her a... butt.

By that logic Ranma auto-loses against Herb. Against Saffron. Against Ryouga, too, when it comes to it.
Ranma's not about DBZ power.

[TainShari]

By that logic Ranma auto-loses against Herb. Against Saffron. Against Ryouga, too, when it comes to it.
Ranma's not about DBZ power.

True, but WoT, to an extent, is. More power means not just a bigger fireballs, it also means that the channeler can handle more weaves(more fireballs), and, therefore, will have more options(more weaves with which to defend and attack with) in a One Power duel. In this world, power trumps skill. The only reason that Moiraine(who was much weaker) was able to kill a Forsaken was because of surprise and utilizing a basically unblockable attack(like Be'lal), or through foreknowledge(like Lanfear; and that didn't really take). The last time she faced a Forsaken head on(Aginor) had her butt handed to her.
An example that shows how a fight with the One Power works would be the duel between Nyneave and Moghedien. Nyneave, who most certainly had less skill and experience in channeling than Moiraine, was able beat and capture one of the Forsaken.

[Pale Wolf]

And what, skill to cut their weaves apart before they form doesn't count?
Ranma's used to fighting at the disadvantage. His method of operation is to engineer a situation and then shove in some kind of deranged attack that he came up with off the top of his head.

[Mitchell]

Yes it is possible to be skilled enough to cut weaves apart, and I can even see Ranma doing this. However the point is that the more power you have, the more weaves you can manipulate. It would reach a point that no matter how skilled Ranma is, he will be fighting about 12 diffrent weaves with three of his own. I can see him getting rid of a few of the weaves, however it would take incredible skill to do more than hold of his opponent for a while.

[Draconis Stelanaris]

Balefire(sp?) No matter how powerful, is useles if you can not hit what your aiming at. A distinct advantage that Ranma would have in most cases I would asume is personal speed. Even with most of his/her Ki sealed Ranma will still be blazingly fast on his/her feet, and one could also assume that Ranma would keep the tendency to get into peoples faces and distract.

[Mitchell]

Taim is an exception, and I am pretty sure, though I have not read through the later books in about a year, that it is implied that he is a dreadlord, i.e. he got a weaker deal than the forsaken. The Taint does not effect him. And I don't remember it being mentioned that Taim has been channeling for fifteen years though by his age it seems reasonable. However I think the comment about not finding a male chaneller over thirty was refering to a channeler who had their power awaken when they are aroun 18-20(the average age in a man I think is 19-23, though don't qoute me on that).
I agree that there has to be a reason to make Ranma weaker, and take so long to get up to Aes Sedai. For a draw perhaps Ranma has the natural level of something roughly about equel to Moiraine or Siuan however her ki acts as a sort of natural Angreal. The more she grows her ki, the more it can multiply her power. Whether this is natural for all ki users some effect from Jusekyo or something else could be interesting. It means while we won't probably see Ranma have the power of a Sa'angreal until she is probably over three hundred(channeler slowing of age + ki same effect), however you could have while it is easier on someone like Rand or Nynaeve(sp) to handle the power, Ranma can temporailly operate on a level of power near that of Nynaeve(sp?). He is on the lower level of power within the Forskaen, not the ridiculess amount of power that Rand or Lanfear can utilise. If that happens then you could show Ranma's abilty to adapt and skill over his power.

[Materia-Blade]

True, but WoT, to an extent, is.

Thanks TainShari. You pretty much made my arguement for me.
Regardless, that wasn't mentioned. If Ranma is so fervently skilled in the one power then why did it take ten years to make the shawl? I could see it happening purposely because Ranma didn't want to lose his ability to lie. But not due to lack of skill.
It would be interesting to see Ranma as a reletively weak Aes Sedai with the ability to cut the other weaves apart is if slicing through butter. That would interest me a little. Even so, it still wouldn't be so interesting. Ranma gets severed from the one power, it's all over. If there is no interest in the story than what is the point of writing? A "Ranma gets weaker but Matures" seems like an awful story. It's uncouth, youth, and surprise and amazement that attracts people.
What was that one person's signature? "No matter how strong you are, there is always a teenager who can beat you without breaking a sweat."
Yeah. It's like that. (Works Cited: Whoever uses that signature.)
Ranma's way, in cannon even, is to stand out. He, or rather she, always does. If he becomes aes sedai then it should be one helluva aes sedai. If he decides that he isn't getting enough attention, then he'd most likely go back to something he was "the best" at. Aka Martial arts. Sure he'd learn the power and how to use it best, but then it would be an ingrained part of his martial arts. Basically, a way to fight against those martial arts wouldn't hurt, until martial arts would hurt again.
I can see Ranma as an accepted who refused to take the oaths. I could also see her being raised in Salidar without the oaths, like Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, and.... Faolain was it? I'm not sure.
But I can't see Ranma spending his time on something that would make him weaker than the most, while also losing his ability to harm others in the process. It just would not happen. If he found himself to be too weak in the one power, then he would forget it and go to what he's the best at. That's simple human nature there.
To Pale Wolf: Sorry bout that. Didn't mean for it to stifle the discussion, but it isn't like the thread had been written on in a while. Anyway, forgive?
I suppose that if any of the Neriman's threatened Ranma, that she could simply weave air and lock them in place, but still, she wouldn't be able to actively participate in "show-offing" unless they were attacking her with the intent to kill. Regardless of Ryoga's "RANMA PREPARE TO DIE"s Ranma never seems to think Ryoga actually intends to kill him, except in perhaps the breaking point episode.
Though with her older and matured she wouldn't give a crap about showing off, being the best? right? Making it basically "not Ranma" Who, unfortunately, despite the pedestal he is on, DOES care about being the best. More than just about anything. Cannon and Fannon.
Another point in my favor. Each Aes Sedai is subserviant to one greater than her in the power. You learn this in the novel "New Spring." Meaning Ranma would have to bulk if Moiraine told her to (basically.) Not to mention, others who would all be stronger than her, later on in the story. (Siuan, Liandrin, Romanda, Leane, Elaida, Egwene, Nyneve, Cadsuanne, Elayne, Alanna(Not sure on that one.) and many others! Moiraine is not the strongest in the white tower by far (if I remember right.) That isn't Ranma's thing. He let himself be put out of the tower before he'd let himself be forced to be subserviant.
Perhaps this could be where he was made special in that he refuses to wash dishes as a novice. Refuses to give a crap about their rules, and refuses to obey the order of any aes Sedai or ever give them honorifics. THAT would make her stand out! It could also explain why she took so long to attain the shawl, and then, as soon as she does obtain the shawl, leave the tower, still pissed about those damn oaths they forced her to take.
There are only three ways I see for her to want to become Aes Sedai. The first (and most logical) is that it's put to her in a challenge.
"You can't do this, Ranma. You're not good enough."
"Oh yeah?!"
Needless to say, this route has been taken to put Ranma in thousands of situations throughout the years in fanfiction. Second is that a life threatening problem was proposed to Ranma.
"Unless you learn, the (x-evil enemy or thing) will kill you or your family."
*Shiver* Eyes set, Ranma knew there was only one option. "Alright... I'll do it."
Also been used before.
The third way is that Ranma knew she would someday be genuinely better at it then ANYONE else. Otherwise it just wouldn't be worth it to her/him.
WHEW! That was long.

[StarEyed]

But I can't see Ranma spending his time on something that would make him weaker than the most, while also losing his ability to harm others in the process. It just would not happen. If he found himself to be too weak in the one power, then he would forget it and go to what he's the best at.

Agreed. If it didn't give him a significant advantage Ranma just wouldn't bother with it. Ten years of work that will end up with him weaker than most Aes Sedai and weaker in his martial arts? No way would he agree. I doubt even that posing it as a challenge would cause him to neglect his martial arts to that extent.
That said him annoying them so much that it takes him ten years to be granted his shawl? Not surprising.
Taking ten years to learn the stuff? That, I don't believe. He's not stupid, he just doesn't try at anything except martial arts. If he were actually trying, to the extent of neglecting the Art, he would probably take the same amount of time as most, if not less.
Then again, you could avoid the issue of the Oaths entirely by having him leaving after ten years, never having been granted his shawl but having learned far more than most (by sneaking into areas he's not supposed to if nothing else).

[Pale Wolf]

To Pale Wolf: Sorry bout that. Didn't mean for it to stifle the discussion, but it isn't like the thread had been written on in a while. Anyway, forgive?

Well, you could just say 'I'm gonna change the topic now', rather than 'you shouldn't be talking about this'. That's what set me off.

But I can't see Ranma spending his time on something that would make him weaker than the most,

So... let me get this straight. You're saying him learning something new will somehow make him forget the martial arts he knows? You seem to be the one missing Ranma's character if you think he'll suddenly just 'stop' practicing.
And by the way...
Let me introduce you to a concept called 'diminishing returns'. The further you get in a field, the harder it is to advance. Harder to find teachers, harder to find challenges, and just harder to improve in the highest-level stuff. His muscles and ki will develop to their maximum potential. Then what? He's not getting stronger after that.
Here is how people continue to improve once they hit diminishing returns: cross-training. Learning complementary skills from the bottom of the ladder again. Training progresses faster because it's a newer field. Here's an example: Master melee combat martial arts. Now, you can either scrape and claw for every last inch as you make your way to learning ki blasts, which are generally rather weak anyway. Or you can pick up a gun and start learning how to use it, and be able to perform the exact same functions as you could with a ki blast - except it's more powerful, more precise, quicker to fire off, and far more easily learned. (And even the dubious 'reliance on weapons' argument is scrapped in the actual case, since the One Power is totally internal)
You seem to be under the impression, basically, that it's Aes Sedai or martial artist. And it's not. It never is. It's 'human being with the opportunity to pick up one skillset, or two'. You think I'm odd for thinking that Ranma would elect for two? Feel free to hold that opinion. But Anything Goes is a style that incorporates others, so I dunno how you plan to defend it...

[Mitchell]

I'm fairly sure that Moiraine and Siuane were the two stongest Aes sedai since that four hundred year old green(forget her name). This was of cource before Elayne, Egwene and Nynaeve etc showeddu p with much more potential.
I think the problem with Ranma learning the one power is the fact that the story idea takes her ten years to get relativly close to where she was in martial arts again. And while i can respect it would take a while to train, I cant see Ranma really taking that long, or wanting to take that long to effectivly get back to where she is.
And I agree. I don't think Ranma would really want to seear on the Oath Rod. The disabilty to use this power to enhance her martial arts effectivly, and the disabilty to even to attempt to lie would be a major stickling point.

[Materia-Blade]

Your assuming his muscles and abilities would max out. The author has stated that he would be weaker than Kuno by the time he returns. Cross training or not he obviously hasn't kept up. If he had kept up, and were on the same level as he was cannon-wise at the same time, then I wouldn't mind.
I don't think he wouldn't learn it. I think he'd learn what he needed to and quit, so as to get back to what he was TRULY good at.
I didn't say at all that he had to choose one or the other. Matter of fact i said the exact opposite.

Sure he'd learn the power and how to use it best, but then it would be an ingrained part of his martial arts. Basically, a way to fight against those martial arts wouldn't hurt, until martial arts would hurt again.

[lcpoketoon]

I see Ranma more focused on learning how to defend against the one power and come up with ways to counter it. Most likely female Ranma would spend time with the warders and ask them about battles they had been in while also testig herself against diffrent attacks from her teachers.
Female ranma could end up a Warder who can channel who bonded to a green sister, they are after all the battle sisters in the tower. Ranma becomeing the Warder for a newly made green sister who is sent off with Moiraine to get some practical training out in the world.
JAI

[Materia-Blade]

Sounds good but eh.
I still think that finding a way to put Ranma in the Red Ajah would be genius.
...
If it can be done right.