the death and rebirth of ranma saotome

[toushin]

what would happen if project cadmas ever got ahold of ranma or his dna

[Sunshine Temple]

This is off topic.

This thread is for discussing the manga or anime itself.

Not for pondering crossovers.

For that you'd need to formulate a story idea and post it in the Story Ideas section.

You've been warned.

[Pale Wolf]

Sunny's covered the main stuff, so I'll just add a bit - elaborate on precisely which rules you broke, so you can avoid doing so in the future.

For reference, the rules: viewtopic.php?f=41&t=351

First, wrong forum, as Sunny noted. This forum is for discussion of series canon. You want Ideas.

Second, rule 1-G. Standards of civility, common sense, and coherence. Keyword here being coherence. We don't expect perfect spelling, grammar, and capitalization, but we do expect at least a good faith effort.

Third, this post is illegal for the Ideas forum as-is. 'For submitting and talking about story ideas. Idea submissions must be at least five paragraphs long, and include plot points, summaries of which characters are involved, and how it differs from canon.' There's a vague idea seed here, but... I don't know how it differs from canon. I don't even know what canon it's differing from - what's the crossover with? (Don't answer. Just make it clear if you post this in the proper forum)

[toushin]

what would happen if project cadmas from the dc animated universe ever got ahold of ranma or his dna. say after the thanagarian evasion they found a satalite video of his fight with saffron. if you remember cadmus was doing anything they could to figure out a way to protect themselves from superheroes. while the amazons are in a remote part of china it is still china so while the goverment may leave them alone (we dont know they never stress that in the manga) there would be some sort of survalience on them. one of the more secluded villiages suddenly go on a rampage and then their is a mountain destroying battle in which a godling is killed in battle someone would know about it. the first thing that would be on their mind is that a regular human no powers not accidental superhuman power just a regular human (for lack of a better world) defeated a superbeing). im thinking they might create a clone like they did with super girl only not with kryptonian powers. maybe something similar to the air gear brain charger. i came up with this idea is that while ranma has had a very difficult life it is the driving force of what makes his personality. but when you have someone who hasn't gone throught his life but has all the memories of the pain he wont react the same way as some the person who actually lived through it. so while he might start out acting like the original. i think of eventually having him be come similar to the ranma from i'll meet by starlight. you know constant memories of pain and torture eventually makes him crack. the split personality the brain charger program produces would be the cause of it. the ranma we all know and love would just be a shell with the sadistic killer eventually breaking free.

the first part would be his interaction with the justice league and how the crazy personality comes to the surface with each passing day

the second would be his escaping and going after the wrecking crew and ranma. im thinking of writing this like the death of superman movie. with the original being the sub for superman and the crazy one being dooms day. instead of both dying the charger ranma will win and someone will help the original escape, most likely cologne or a superhero. then we'll have a rematch

gtell me what you think and give me some ideas on how the arcs should go

[toushin]

sorry im new a just put it in the wrong forum

[LawOhki]

what would happen if project cadmas from the dc animated universe ever got ahold of ranma or his dna. say after the thanagarian evasion they found a satalite video of his fight with saffron

Why would there be satellite video of it? Seriously are you having them monitor remote parts of the world 24/7? Someone noticing the Herb fight would be far more likely, considering it was on the news and in a more populated area.

[Sailor Sedai (Ellf)]

From the summary of the forum:

For submitting and talking about story ideas. Idea submissions must be at least five paragraphs long, and include plot points, summaries of which characters are involved, and how it differs from canon. This folder is for anime fanfiction only. Replying posts must give actual commentary, no "GREAT IDEA" or "THIS SUCKS".

Your idea is nothing but a "What if this happened?" idea. Beyond that, you only have two sentences that give only a vague idea of what you want to go on.

This isn't an idea, it's idle musing. You don't post something like this in a forum, you go into IRC and discuss it there.

[Pale Wolf]

Ellf's basically got it.

'For submitting and talking about story ideas. Idea submissions must be at least five paragraphs long, and include plot points, summaries of which characters are involved, and how it differs from canon. This folder is for anime fanfiction only. Replying posts must give actual commentary, no "GREAT IDEA" or "THIS SUCKS".'

Now, this is an improvement on the last iteration of the post, and we appreciate the effort.

But it's still too short. It's a driveby, not a post. That does work in responses (if there's some value to the driveby), but if you're going to start off a discussion, you need to give it at least as much treatment as you're expecting other people to. For instance, answer the question yourself - what do you think would happen in the above-outlined circumstance? What would it lead to? What would you like to do with it, or see done with it?

If you really can't answer that, ask in IRC, as suggested. Or not at all. It really isn't that much effort, and if you don't care that much about your ideas... why should we?

[toushin]

this is just an idea anyone who would like to make a fanfic out of it is welcome. what would happen if project cadmas from the dc animated universe ever got ahold of ranma or his dna. say after the thanagarian evasion they found a satalite video of his fight with saffron. if you remember cadmus was doing anything they could to figure out a way to protect themselves from superheroes. while the amazons are in a remote part of china it is still china so while the goverment may leave them alone (we dont know they never stress that in the manga) there would be some sort of survalience on them. one of the more secluded villiages suddenly go on a rampage and then their is a mountain destroying battle in which a godling is killed in battle someone would know about it. the first thing that would be on their mind is that a regular human no powers not accidental superhuman power just a regular human (for lack of a better world) defeated a superbeing). im thinking they might create a clone like they did with super girl only not with kryptonian powers. maybe something similar to the air gear brain charger. i came up with this idea is that while ranma has had a very difficult life it is the driving force of what makes his personality. but when you have someone who hasn't gone throught his life but has all the memories of the pain he wont react the same way as some the person who actually lived through it. so while he might start out acting like the original. i think of eventually having him be come similar to the ranma from i'll meet by starlight. you know constant memories of pain and torture eventually makes him crack. the split personality the brain charger program produces would be the cause of it. the ranma we all know and love would just be a shell with the sadistic killer eventually breaking free.

the first part would be his interaction with the justice league and how the crazy personality comes to the surface with each passing day. im thinking a brain over brawn approach like in a human sayin. superman may be indestructible but that power comes from his natural ability to absorb the suns energy otherwise he is just a regular human. give ranma enough info on him and a few fights i think he could find a way to get pass that. maybe a hakkei technique or while fighting he finds out pressure points work. secondly superman is a brawler plan and simple and there aren't alot of fighters in the dc universe (if any) who could match him. so a fight between them would involve alot of redirecting flight and attacks and using supermans strength against him. this will also be ranma's slow decent into madness. seeing so many people who claim to be heroes while he remembers no one coming to save him. obviously ranma wont just be dominating scine the justice league is a team and ranma is by himself, but he will install fear in them.

the second would be his escaping from cadmus and going after the wrecking crew and the original ranma. im thinking sort of like like the death of superman series. with the original being the sub for superman and the crazy one being dooms day. instead of both dying the charger ranma will win and someone will help the original escape, most likely cologne or a superhero. while the original recovers and trains his clone is left to his own devices dodging cadmus, jla and the wrecking crew. the theme for the rematch is simple when you have two people who refuse to lose fighting who will win. the original knows he cant lose and the clone just wants to kill the thing he sees as a weakness (anyone who has read age of warhorse knows what in trying to say).

tell me what you think and give ideas on how the arcs should go

[Pale Wolf]

Hello, Toushin.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4422

Hello, exact same idea thread, with perhaps a paragraph's worth of new material that could have been posted in the existing one.

Toushin, say hello to your second warning. You're on very thin ice at this point.

Thread locked for now, further updates as to your status will be forthcoming after the other mods and admins wake up and we can discuss the matter.

[Pale Wolf]

All right, the matter has been discussed.

Toushin, temp ban for one week. You can return around Tuesday, November 10 - hopefully you'll have learned your lesson at that point.

One thread. The idea barely merits a thread at that, but for clarification, you are not allowed to repost the exact same material and clog up the forum. Update your existing thread if necessary, or make a new post to it.

Put threads in the right place.

Put enough in them to merit a thread at all.

And try to make them something one A: can read, and B: wants to read - but if you can't, at least don't be obnoxious about it.

[toushin]

This is the idea I’ve had at the back of my head for awhile it is a crossover between Ranma ½ and Justice League Unlimited taking bits and pieces from the Doomsday storyline, marvel, tenjho tenge, air gear, and battle angel alita. It deals with the concept of what would happen if Project Cadmas from the dc animated universe ever got a hold of Ranma or his DNA. This would be a retailing of the episode Epilogue. In which Amanda Waller tells Terry the story of Ranma to stress the difference between him and an actual clone. Officially the fic will start a little after the episode For the Man Who Has Everything. While this is never stress in the manga china is a communist country, so it is pretty unlikely that there would be villages like the amazons, musk, seven lucky god, and phonix without the government knowing about them. It could be politics that gets the government to leave them to themselves, it could be the ancient lore they still posses, but at least the amazons have some connections to the government. Plus during this time Cadmus was looking for anything they could to fight the justice league. So let’s say they get footage of ranma’s fight with saffron just a few days after it happens and it fascinates them. So instead of Supergirl they go about cloning Ranma, and with his hectic life it should easy to get his DNA without his knowing

This wont be a god Ranma fics, while this Ranma will be powerful but he won’t have any super powers, just his skill. The clone will be older then the original and he won’t know anything about him or that he’s a clone. The approach im thinking if a slow mental breakdown. Starting out the clone will be like older more mature version of Ranma, you will see a lot of attributes that even though Ranma has them he barely uses them with anything besides martial arts. Thinks like intelligence and preplanning would be stressed. Plus since he is working with Cadmus he will have access to a lot of high tech training. In terms of fighting the league directly, Ranma by himself can be considered meta to superhuman and with the clone being stronger he would be able to hold his own. The kachu tenshin training would allow him evade the flash if not outright defy. With superman that would be hit and run type fighting until he finds out that ki would have the same effect that magic does. However the energy required to make a difference, would incapacitate him as well. The clone would also play a big part in Task Force X. slowly his sanity would start erode. First memories would start to come of the hardships of the training trip, the hazels of living in Nerima, however without any connection these memories they just come across as memories of pain. The final snap to his sanity will be when he comes face to face with a cat. Since he didn’t go through the neko-ken he can’t go cat, but it will take away the last bit of his sanity regressing to an almost childlike state of spitefulness and obliviousness. In the process he learns of Ranma. His only thought at that time is making all those that wronged him pay, thus he allows Lex Luther to fuse with Brainiac. This will allow him to escape to nerima.


This is the part where the original Ranma comes in, he like Supergirl has been having dreams of what his clone has been doing, but being who he is he pretty much ignores it. Life in nerima after the wedding is pretty much what you’d expect. The thing to keep in mind is that C-Ranma doesn’t want to kill the original, in his mind he is attempting to save him from himself. To that end he begins brutally attacking the wrecking crew. There will be three fights between the two. The first is the meeting after C-Ranma decimates the wrecking crew he will attempt to “save” Ranma, pointing out how he lets himself be taking advantage of, people like Genma, Ryoga, ect, how he lets his women treat him like an animal and that the only option is their destruction. Naturally when Ranma tells him he’s crazy he comes to the conclusion that the only way to save Ranma from this life that others have build for is to end it. The first fight will be mostly one sided Ranma would hold his own the best that can but in the end he will be saved by cadmus and Cologne.

The second fight will be in the underground city in Fearful Symmetry because it will represent C-Ranma’s home. While this fight will be a little more even it is still lean heavily in C-Ranma’s favor. I already have the technique Ranma will use to win. this arc will end during the I Am Legion episode only alone with showing Lex Luther the piece of Brainiac he shows a tube that contains the resurrecting body of C-Ranma.

The third match will happen during Destroyer, the premises is the technique Ranma used has left him with a permanent connection to ambient energy around him so he has gone off to train so that he will able to control this ability. During this time C-Ranma has been resurrected by Gorilla Grodd unfortunately he to has a connection to the energy around him. Escaping from the legion he finds that he also has this connection. Unfortunately this connection starts to deteriorate his clone body leaving his life force in a state of constant depletion this causes him to have an almost insatiable hunger. However this deterioration also gives him a number of superhuman abilities he will be able to analyze and manipulate matter and energy, granting him superhuman strength, stamina, durability, senses and also project energy in various forms for offensive and defensive use. Using these new abilities he will sustain by draining the vitality of a number of homeless people on a desolate construction site until the legion recaptures him. Luther will use both him and Tala to reconstitute Brainiac, only instead of resurrects Darkseid, Brainiac will be fused with C-Ranma. Not only will this fix the life force depletion it will give him abilities similar to The Phoenix Force from marvel comics. Ranma wont be gaining any superhuman abilities his training was along the lines of perceiving the energy and thus being able to manipulate it. Thus sets the stage for the final fight

Tell me what you think.

[Anchoku]

I hate to be picky but, as far as I could tell from Takahashi Rumiko-sensei's story, Ranma was born a normal human being without any special powers at all. Will the cloning person somehow clone Ranma's skills and body conditioning? Sorry, but I got hung up on how to get from Ranma to Ranma's clone and have the clone be "super" enough and don't know anything about Justice League Unlimited. What you were describing seemed like the clone could be just about any original character. Did you plan on C-Ranma to Jusenkyou? A lot of what makes Ranma, Ranma is his experience and the bizarre, funny adventures he goes on.

As odd as it may sound, you might find it easier to create an original character with skills modelled after Ranma and avoid having to carry all of Ranma's other baggage. You could make your OC something like a character from Mortal Combat or Street Fighter and design your own look and special moves.

[toushin]

the cloning process of project cadmus in justice league is more a process of genetic engineering. their was first just a regular clone of superman, from there they added to his genetic code untill they got what they needed, erased his memeory of ever being superman and then bombarded him with flashes of being tortured by superman. while the supergirl clone was pretty much the same, just older, she had all of supergirls memeory but was raised differently. so it isn't much of a strecth to say they could make a clone of of a regular human, but with only the knowledge that they want them to have, so he wouldn't have all of that excess baggage.

secondly that is the whole basis for the clone. all of the clones that cadmus has produced have had something wrong with them. doomsday worked to weel, while Galatea and supergirl have a sort of link to each other. that is the basis for the clone ranma. he will start out like an older, more mature version of ranma with no knowledge that he is a clone, but that connection he has with the original will slowly start to erode his mind.

i was picturing someone similar to the master from the current doctor who when i thought of him. to this extent an original charecter just wouldn't work for the direction i want to go. plus remember this story is to explain to teryy how he is not a clone. if it was a fanfic about a clone going on to live his life the point would be lost

[WG_Writer]

The Justice League has been brought low by "Normal Humans" before, especially individual members. Most have at least one non-meta in their usual suspects list, like Captain Boomerang to Flash just as an example, so Ranma vs the Flash is not totally unreasonable. The trick is that "C-Ranma" would have to use some Genma type tactics of distraction and false distraction. But it is doable. A battle Aura alone would probably be enough to beat Martian Manhunter by reminding him of fire. But it is a functional premise, just don't over do it with too much in the way of Arcs or you might get bored of writing it part way through.