Idea for a SM/DBZ Crossover

[nodregah]

Maybe have Goku be about 14 or so, not fully indoctrinated in Saiyan ideals and more susceptible to Senshi philosophy if it's argued reasonably, making him doubt everything he's been taught.

Remember, Goku was put on Earth as a toddler and he was expected to clean off the real estste. He already had the knowledge to conquer the Earth. The only reason he didn't was a knock on the head which caused amnesia.

[Comartemis]

I'd... suggest caution. Adding another universe to a crossover is a "heavy" thing plot-wise, with a lot of baggage. Not something to be done lightly. The simplicity of "Moon Kingdom vs. Saiyan Empire" is not something you want to loose unless you really have a compelling reason why the Ranmaverse characters are needed. If they're not going to be integral to the main plot, I'd suggest not taking on that thematic baggage.

Nah, I wasn't really planning on having Ranma and company show up in a large way, mostly just cameo appearances; Ranma himself might not show up period. I was thinking maybe Happosai comes over to Juuban every now and then when he can't stand to look at Soun and Genma anymore.

This would be a sort of fanon Happi who plays the wise old man outside of Nerima; my first big scene idea is having Makoto wake up from one of her nightmares--this'd be right at the start of chapter one--and heads up to the roof of her apartment to do a few kata to clear her head. She gets up there and "Happi-sensei" is waiting for her, smoking his pipe. They have a little heart-to-heart sort of talk before Happi gets up, says something to Makoto that sticks with her for a while, then bounds away across the rooftops. A minute or two later, Makoto realizes she's missing her panties.

Not to mention that you want to be stocking up on your "named" antagonists for the final battle. Indeed, one of the advantages of having the initial assailant be Goku is that it frees up Raditz to be a part of the final showdown. (IMHO, he'd make an awesome endboss for a reformed Goku, who this time still has his memory of Raditz as his brother, introducing a dynamic that was absent from their canonical fight. Brother vs. brother duels are, to my way of thinking, too awesome to be put into words.)

Hold that thought! What about Goku vs Bardock?

member, Goku was put on Earth as a toddler and he was expected to clean off the real estste. He already had the knowledge to conquer the Earth. The only reason he didn't was a knock on the head which caused amnesia.

Damn, that makes things a little harder.

[Tovath]

Why not have Doctor Tofu train Ami. He is a martial arts master (Ranma says so near the beginning of the manga) and he is a healer so it would fit in with Ami wanted to be a doctor. She could mention to he mother she wanted to take some martial arts leasons and her mother suggesting Tofu. Ami could also work part time at his clinic.

[Comartemis]

Why not have Doctor Tofu train Ami. He is a martial arts master (Ranma says so near the beginning of the manga) and he is a healer so it would fit in with Ami wanted to be a doctor. She could mention to he mother she wanted to take some martial arts leasons and her mother suggesting Tofu. Ami could also work part time at his clinic.

Pressure points! Of course! Why didn't I think of that?! We've never seen pressure points used in DBZ, and it wouldn't require Ami to be exceptionally strong; maybe she could implement the points into a style like Hyuuga Neji's Gentle Fist, or something similar.

Excellent idea, Tovath!

[Tovath]

Thank you I think I will enjoy reading this story when you write it and I don't useally read DBZ crossovers.

[claymade]

Hold that thought! What about Goku vs Bardock?

Don't have any experience with the movies, I'm afraid. My gut reaction is that a showdown with a brother has more an "equal and opposite duel" feel than fighting your father, but... *shrugs*

If you were going to dip into the movie-canon, I'd personally set Bardock against one of the other Senshi, myself. You could still work a good dynamic with him and Goku being on opposite sides, of course.

Remember, Goku was put on Earth as a toddler and he was expected to clean off the real estste. He already had the knowledge to conquer the Earth. The only reason he didn't was a knock on the head which caused amnesia.

Well, considering that the Dragonball Earth isn't our Earth anyway, this is going to be an AU no matter which way you slice it. Having him show up at a different age wouldn't be a stretch.

As for his non-amnesia succeptibility to persuasion, we don't know that for certain one way or the other. How much did losing his memory really change his core nature, and how much was just clearing out the social conditioning? There's no way we can no for sure. But Vegeta's redemption--someone who'd clearly spent far longer as part of that system--shows that it clearly can work. With someone like Goku--and a younger Goku at that--it would seem to be even more likely.

[Metroidvania]

Remember, Goku was put on Earth as a toddler and he was expected to clean off the real estste. He already had the knowledge to conquer the Earth. The only reason he didn't was a knock on the head which caused amnesia.

Hold on.

It's said later on in DBZ, if I recall correctly, that the low level Saiyans were sent off to weakling planets such as Earth to clean the world up for Frieza, etc.....

I'm not quite sure where you're getting the "already had the knowledge" part, and I can't recall anything mentioning indoctrination....

[Comartemis]

Depending on how powerful the Saiyan in question is, one of two things will happen:

1) The weaker Saiyans are sent to planets that are unlikely to challenge them too greatly. If all such Saiyans are sent as toddlers, there must be a way for the Saiyans to ensure they know what their job is; a Saiyan that hasn't had the memories "implanted" will more likely assimiliate into the planet's population like Goku did.

2) Saiyans raised at home are raised to believe that all other life-forms are scum to be eliminated; they are weak, therefore they deserve to die. This is pounded into them until they believe it, hence my comment about indoctrination.

[Seraphim]

So far I've only worked out Minako, Ami, Usagi and Rei. Rawr

Well anyway:

Rei - Northern Shaolin/Northern Seven Star Praying Mantis. An e-cookie for the person who recognises this reference!

Minako - Capoeira/Fanziquan?

Ami - Dim Mak/Wing Chun

Usagi - Baguazhang(Hakkeshou)/Piquazhang(Hikanken?)?

[Cyber_Skaarj]

Hold that thought! What about Goku vs Bardock?

Doesn't work. I've seen the Bardock special, and although he is a capable soldier that will follow orders, he's actually portrayed as more of a "good guy". He's friendly, loyal, and willing to avenge his friends. Not the charactaristics of a "bad guy". I'd see him having a lot of doubt if he ever had to face his own son they way you suggest, and he'd be very likely to switch sides.

not even the Hyperbolic Time Chamber

Ahem... Room of Spirit and Time

Seriously, that "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" crap that was made up for the dub sounds so pathetic.

[Heaven's Deamon]

I remember Vegita commenting in the dub that Goku's father (IOWs Bardock) was the one who made the technique that imitated a Full Moon's Light, which Implys that he was like a Saiyan's equivalent to a scientist, so maybe have him fight Ami.

Also, your original idea had Radditz calling for backup when Jupiter transformed, instead you have a scene similar to the outpost that was monitoring Frieza when Goku went Super Saiyan, The other Saiyans are watching the battle through Kakarot's scouter, they see the transformation and recognize it, and try to send an order to goku to retreat and wait for backup in one year, but the scouter gets knocked off and lands near one of the other scouts (who's still concious) and they hear the order instead and tell the others after the fight (or the scouter gets destroyed and Mercury picks up the transmission on the Mercury Computer)

Nappa is Prince Vegita's body guard, so why not have him fight Venus, who (if comments I've seen on the board are right) was Moon's body double back in the SM? (Edit: Whoops, forgot Goku was there to fight Radditz)

If you're bringing in one movie character, why not bring in others as well? A saner Brolly vs. Saturn, or the one from the giant tree movie vs. maybe Pluto?

I think Rei is supposed to already know some karate, so building on that would make sense for her, and IIRC Venus had a sword in the manga (Once again I picked this up from comments on the board) so having her study Kenjutsu (as opposed to the flashier Kendo) could work. I could also see Uranus and Neptune study a "dual" style that consists of two people fighting in tandem and Pluto using a staff fighting based style.

[Comartemis]

Rei - Northern Shaolin/Northern Seven Star Praying Mantis. An e-cookie for the person who recognises this reference!

Uh, is that "Fist of the North Star"?

Minako - Capoeira/Fanziquan

Ooh, I know that style; that's the father of breakdancing! An interesting choice for Minako, it suits her "happy-go-lucky" attitude quite well. I haven't heard of Dim Mak or Baguazhang, but I'll look into those.

A saner Brolly vs. Saturn

Perfect!

And I just thought of another plot point; Saturn is disarmed in the first battle with Kakarot leaving her completely defenseless against his assault (maybe one of Goku's ki techniques punches through the Silent Wall), leaving Hotaru to angst over how helpless she was when Goku is about to kill Moon, which leads to a chance encounter with Happosai, who recommends that she seek out an old acquaintance of his for training. Suburban Senshi fans, say it with me! "SATURN! ... KaaaaameeeeehaaaameeeeHAAAAA!!"

[Seraphim]

Uh, is that "Fist of the North Star"?

Avatar: The Last Airbender actually, it's the base style that the 'Firebenders' use. ^.~

Ooh, I know that style; that's the father of breakdancing! An interesting choice for Minako, it suits her "happy-go-lucky" attitude quite well. I haven't heard of Dim Mak or Baguazhang, but I'll look into those.

I thought since Minako did gymnastics (and volleyball) that an acrobatic style would suit her, and you mentioned pressure points for Ami and Dim Mak (or 'Death Touch') is almost purely pressure points and Wing Chun 'cause that deals in pressure points and the 'deflection' of your opponents power.

And Baguazhang is a defensive 'internal' style, here's a link.

[Cyber_Skaarj]

I remember Vegita commenting in the dub that Goku's father (IOWs Bardock) was the one who made the technique that imitated a Full Moon's Light, which Implys that he was like a Saiyan's equivalent to a scientist, so maybe have him fight Ami.

Again, I'm gonna have to stab that one in the back. Stupid dub for screwing everything up. Bardock was a soldier, not a scientist, and he did not create the false moon technique.

If I could get away with it, I'd shoot every anime dubbing company that has done bad dubbing. They all seem to like to take liberties with their licence and insert dialogue that was never in the original Japanese, essentially screwing up the plot. It's not just DBZ that's had it done either, I seem to recall a certain Magical Girl anime that had cousins instead of lovers...

[Comartemis]

In this time period, you'd also have Vegeta, Nappa, and Vegeta's father, IIRC. Vegeta'd be a natural endboss for Jupiter, while King Vegeta and the Moon Princess seem symmetrical enough. I wouldn't recommend throwing Friezza & co. into this myself, as it would dillute the Moon Kingdom vs. Saiyans aspect to the story.

Nah, Frieza won't be showing up in this picture; the Saiyans are no-one's lackies in this universe.

Here's an idea; what about King Vegeta vs Endymion? Not Tux-boy, hell no, but if the Prince of Earth shows up with the Golden Crystal to defend his turf, he'll free up Moon to face Bardock or Tullece, the Tree of Might villain.

Here's what I've got so far for the matchups:

Kakarot vs Raditz
Mercury vs Seripa
Venus vs Nappa
Moon vs Tullece
Endymion vs King Vegeta
Mars vs Bardock
Jupiter vs Prince Vegeta
Saturn vs Broly
Uranus vs Paragus
Neptune vs Toma
Pluto vs Totapo