Ranma&Fate\stay night crossover idea

[Muramasa]

I wonder what Ranma will do when he learns about Caster's *Spell Breaker* dagger?
Will he miss that opportunity to cure the curse so he could protect Sakura better?

From a Canon standpoint, Caster's 'Rule Breaker' has the power to void magical contracts as is the case with Saber in Unlimited Blade Works. Since a Jusenkyo Curse is not a contract, there is no cure in such a manner. Shirou was able to extract Angra Mainyu from Sakura because technically it was still classified as a servant to begin with.

This is the only known use of rule breaker though it may not be the only one. As far as I know there are four known uses of noble phantasms.

-The abilities that are always active. (Rule Breaker, Gae Bolg's curse, Avalon's regeneration, Kansho and Bakuya)

-The standard use of noble phantasms activated by charging it with prana and calling out it's name (Excalibur, Rho Ais, Gae Bolg...)

-It's use as a 'Broken Phantasm'. Usually done by overcharging a noble phantasm with prana. Various effects could happen here. The most well known of them is the phantasm explodes.

-And finally you have the oddball phantasms that imitate magic or sorcery though this could be attributed to 'Standard Use' (Blood Fort Andromeda, Unlimited Blade Works, Invisible Air etc.).

This is a bit of a grey area as far as Canon goes but Archer may have a way around the limitations of Rule Breaker. By changing the history of traced weaponry he may be able to bestow his projections with additional effects. I don't really know the limits to this skill and asking about it has given me mixed oppinions so... well whatever.

A suggestion.

If Rin's Archer will put killing Shirou above Rin's orders like in UBW and attacks him when Ranma is around, then one splash of cold water later, he would have to face both Rider and Saber. As i remember Saber injured him pretty badly when they fought one on one and with Rider's help, she could kill him before Rin called him back.

This way the story will be closer to Fate story arc then UBW&Heaven's Feel mix.
But i think i like UBW&Heaven's Feel mix more.

Killing Archer... has enormous consequences. Almost all of Shirou's powerup's and advancements can be contributed to Archer in some way, shape or form. Without Archer, it means no projection and no unlimited blade works and frankly no chance of survival.

If it's Fate route, Shirou fails to project Caliburn when Saber needs it most. Saber gets killed by Berserker after getting worn down. Rin gets crushed to death and Shirou gets half beaten, half dragged back to Einzbern Mannor. Game Over. And before you ask, no I don't think Ranma can take Berserker one on one. UBW has absolutely no chance of occuring without Archer, and Heaven's Feel would have to be tremendously altered. Shirou is pretty much rendered useless. Archer is dead, Lancer is dead, Caster is dead, Saber switched sides, Berserker is still an issue and the only actual resistance that means anything is Ranma and that's obviously not enough. Gilgamesh might help. Then again he might not. Illya, Rin, and Kotomine probably wouldn't have any ideas either. It's a wash.

And finally it is exceeding difficult to disregard orders backed by a command seal. That's exactly what happens in UBW. Archer had to find some means out of his contract with Rin since she used her second command seal and ordered Archer to stop trying to kill Shirou. I think... I'm a bit rusty on my UBW right now.

Oh, yes. Any comments on the prologue i posted in Outlines&Scenes? Will it fit as a beginning for the story? (Since nobody posted anything about it, neither here, nor there, I think that means that nothing is wrong with it, but... )

Sorry, can't take a look at it right now but I promise I'll do so when I can.

Oh, an important question. If Sakura becomes Dark Sakura, will she be able to corrupt Ranma(heh, Dark Rider&Ranma) or since he's not a spritual entity in either form, he would be immune?

I don't know anyone in F/SN that's immune to the shadow. If Ranma is devoured by the Shadow... Well if he was in guy form at the time he's dead, if she was Rider, she becomes physically altered, possibly 'Locked' and under the complete control of Sakura. Ouch.

[Kilich]

A note to self: Don't kill Archer (at least not in the beginning) unless you want your fic to become dark, where most, if not all main characters die -.-'

About Dark Sakura consuming Ranma (well, he is her Servant, so it'll start with him if Dark Sakura appears.) maybe he, being closest to her, will prevent her from becoming Shadow.(at least fully ). Or he can run away before Shadow attacks him and ask Rin and others to help, because as i remember Sakura and Dark Sakura are quite different in appearance and it might warn him.

I'm still trying to figure out at least rough outline and it seems that i either have to wait until i understand how to mix the story arcs right or start with what i already have, hoping that the rest will write itself as the story progresses.


Again, thanks for the help and i'm off to read wiki more. This way i'll answer most of my questions myself, instead of bothering others so often.

I hope that you'll have a lot of fun when you'll be writing your fic.

[Knight of L-sama]

I don't know anyone in F/SN that's immune to the shadow. If Ranma is devoured by the Shadow... Well if he was in guy form at the time he's dead, if she was Rider, she becomes physically altered, possibly 'Locked' and under the complete control of Sakura. Ouch.

Saber didn't have Avalon with her when she was turned into Dark Saber did she? Because Avalon being what it is it should in theory be able to counter... just about anything.

Buy yeah, unless you bring Zeltrech into the mix I can't think of anyone in Fate/Stay Night who could resist Shadow, not when it downed both Heracles and Gilgamesh. Expanding to the Nasuverse as a whole there might be some more but still not many.

[Muramasa]

Saber didn't have Avalon with her when she was turned into Dark Saber did she? Because Avalon being what it is it should in theory be able to counter... just about anything.

Buy yeah, unless you bring Zeltrech into the mix I can't think of anyone in Fate/Stay Night who could resist Shadow, not when it downed both Heracles and Gilgamesh. Expanding to the Nasuverse as a whole there might be some more but still not many.

Oh, I think there are plenty of ways to fight the Shadow but the amount of individuals that could probably resist being devoured well... I could probably count on one hand.

So far I'd nominate Nrvnqsr Chaos, The Forest of Einashe and TATARI Wallachia... and perhaps Saber (with Avalon).

Everyone else I can think of is vulnerable to Shadow.

[Kilich]

Hm. I thought of how the beginning i wrote earlier could be continued.

Events of the night when Saber was summoned would be same as in Fate. (Shirou is attacked by Lancer, summons Saber who fights Archer and later Rin helps him because he has to eat that jewel after all)

Ranma is summoned the same night. When Sakura comes to Shirou the next day, she sees Saber and tries to team up with him. Ranma insists that Sakura remains in Shirou's home, because even if Sakura forbids him from telling how she was treated at home, he can't do nothing about it.

When Rin comes, she in her blunt manner ignites the flames of jealousy in Sakura, that'll make her almost hate Rin and the fact that Archer attacked Shirou last night will not help either.

When Shirou visits Shinji in the hospital, his friend tries to manipulate him against Sakura and her Servant. The fact that Rin doesn't want to ally with her as well and Ranma wants to train him in his usual rough manner and has appetite bigger than Saber doesn't make Shirou's life any easier.


Random ideas.

Maybe Shirou and Rin could fight with Berserker without Sakura's help and those fights could progress like in Fate(they won't be much of a help anyway)

Archer attacks Shirou again and Sakura hate for Rin grows even more leading to fights.

Kotomine gives healed Shinji Gilgamesh as a servant so he could kidnap Ilya and use her like in Fate.

Ranma saving Caster and in his guy form becoming her Master. This way,with her knowledge and dagger, Shirou and his friends could save Sakura almost as soon as they learn what's happened if she turns into Dark Sakura. And since Shirou has Avalon inside, he can interact with her freely and stab her when needed unless Zouken summons a Servant that will keep Shirou away.

[Knight of L-sama]

Oh, I think there are plenty of ways to fight the Shadow but the amount of individuals that could probably resist being devoured well... I could probably count on one hand.

So far I'd nominate Nrvnqsr Chaos, The Forest of Einashe and TATARI Wallachia... and perhaps Saber (with Avalon).

Everyone else I can think of is vulnerable to Shadow.

I would have though ORT/TYPE-Mercury and the spirit of TYPE-Moon (and by extension Altrouge and Arcueid when using their Noble Phantasms). Don't know enough about the magic of the Aozaki sisters and the two unknown users of True Magic but I'd say odd of them resisting Shadow would probably be high as well.

The Shikis it wouldn't be so much a case of resist but more Shadow running the other way really fast if it knows what's good for it.

[Muramasa]

Now I have a question. Rider seems to have an unnamed noble phantasm and it's not listed on wikipedia.

During Fate route she forms a magic circle out of her blood which turns into a giant eye and instantly after, a high powered mana blast. Saber classifies it as an A rank noble phantasm but I have no idea what exactly it is.

Anybody have a clue?

Edit: Oh, by the way. Here's a picture of it just before it gets fired off.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/ride ... .jpg?o=432

[Knight of L-sama]

If I remember correctly that's not a Noble Phantasm per se. It's the summoning spell for Pegasus and as a high level mythical beast (a mere one level below a Dragon) it's summoning is considered on par with a Noble Phantasm.

[Muramasa]

Oh, so that was Pegasus? Well that makes sense (though what's with the eye?). And if that's true, the summoning seems a bit different the second time she summons it.

Huh...

[Kilich]

Thanks for the link A lot of good images there.

The more i read wiki, the more i like Medusa. I think she has the best Image song.

I wish i had games though. Information in wiki is not very detailed Oh, well...

Update: According to wiki. Heracles killed Geryon, the only child of Medusa's son, Chrysaor. Huh, never expected those two to have a connection.
But that's on a side note, because it never happened in Fate universe.

[Kilich]

Hm.
Got an idea. I'll replace Caster's story arc (it'll be in the middle) from Fate\Stay night with modified events from Heaven's Feel(Sakura becomes Dark, Shirou and his friends, including Caster, fight her,Zouken and two Servants. Dark Berserker and Assasin i think). And the ending will be close to Fate\stay night.

Any opinions on that?

[Muramasa]

Hm.
Got an idea. I'll replace Caster's story arc (it'll be in the middle) from Fate\Stay night with modified events from Heaven's Feel(Sakura becomes Dark, Shirou and his friends, including Caster, fight her,Zouken and two Servants. Dark Berserker and Assasin i think). And the ending will be close to Fate\stay night.

Any opinions on that?

All I can say is that I would strongly advise a good backstory as to how Caster was eventually won over to Shirou's or Ranma's side. She's wholly devoted to Soichiro. And secondly, fighting Dark Berserker, True Assassin AND Dark Sakura all at once will be BRUTAL. That will be a blood bath ...

[Kilich]

Hm. How good is:

When Saber, Rin and Shirou went on patrol (Archer's was wounded in his first fight with Saber) they left Sakura at home because she refused to go with Rin.
A bit later she cooled off and decided to help Shirou. While they were searching for them, they found Caster (before Soichiro found her) and brought her home, because neither of them had heart to kill her or just leave her there.

When they got home and Ranma changed back into a guy, Caster asked him to become her Master since she was surprised by the kindness they showed her.


Oh, yes. Dark Berserker, True Assasin and Dark Sakura vs weakened* Caster, Archer, Saber, Rider and two Masters.

*(for different reasons. Caster has only remains of Sakura's Mana in Ranma's body, Archer just healed his wound, Saber is not at full power thanks to Shirou and, personality fusion or not, Ranma himself is not the original Medusa.)

[Muramasa]

Hm. How good is:

When Saber, Rin and Shirou went on patrol (Archer's was wounded in his first fight with Saber) they left Sakura at home because she refused to go with Rin.
A bit later she cooled off and decided to help Shirou. While they were searching for them, they found Caster (before Soichiro found her) and brought her home, because neither of them had heart to kill her or just leave her there.

When they got home and Ranma changed back into a guy, Caster asked him to become her Master since she was surprised by the kindness they showed her.


Oh, yes. Dark Berserker, True Assasin and Dark Sakura vs weakened* Caster, Archer, Saber, Rider and two Masters.

*(for different reasons. Caster has only remains of Sakura's Mana in Ranma's body, Archer just healed his wound, Saber is not at full power thanks to Shirou and, personality fusion or not, Ranma himself is not the original Medusa.)

I'm a bit reluctant to have a fight of this magnitude so early on in the war. I don't think you realize just how DEADLY the enemy opposition can be here. Dark Assassin has an instant kill option in Zanbaniya (ZOMGWTFLULZPWNTENTACLES!!!!). Dark Sakura just needs to devour you and your done and Dark Berserker is still a near unkillable bastard. In any case you don't go into a fight like that without some sort of plan.

I'm also missing some information here. If Dark Sakura managed to acquire Dark Berserker, that means Illya is either dead or captured. You don't leave the vessel of the Holy Grail running around doing who knows what.

Finally, even if Ranma doesn't quite have a full understanding of Ki yet, chances are there's still quite a bit of it running in his system. How much does Ki relate to Prana? And if it translates fairly well, is Ranma effectively self sustaining (generates Mana in guy form, uses it as Rider)?

Does Ranma in guy form have potential as a Magus?

If that's the case, the Ranma/Caster thing could work.

[Kilich]

I'm a bit reluctant to have a fight of this magnitude so early on in the war. I don't think you realize just how DEADLY the enemy opposition can be here. Dark Assassin has an instant kill option in Zanbaniya (ZOMGWTFLULZPWNTENTACLES!!!!). Dark Sakura just needs to devour you and your done and Dark Berserker is still a near unkillable bastard. In any case you don't go into a fight like that without some sort of plan.

Yeah, i don't know much about them. The idea was that it will be in the middle of the story or better closer to the end but i'm still working on what should happen in the beginning so i'm posting what i have. (It's still unfinished and feels rushed, but it's only more or less complete plot idea i have now)

The plan for the fight is something like this. Caster and Archer vs Berserker, Rin, Saber and Rider against True Assasin (Or maybe it would be better to switch teams. UBW vs True Assasin. And Excalibur (Bellerophon?) vs Dark Berserker) and Shirou with Avalon inside against Sakura.

Ilya ran away because Berserker distracted the enemies long enough but soon(or a bit later) was found by Kotomine or his Servants.( maybe Shinji? But it's tempting to leave him in the hospital.)

And about the Mana problem. I can think of a way to explain how Ranma can produce his own mana but it's a long stretch. I thought that Sakura was supplying Mana to Ranma, who due to his unique condition stored it, instead of using it. And when Caster became his Servant, that unused Mana started to flow to her.

For some reason most of the ideas for this fic come only when I have a severe case of insomnia x.X