Ranma/Wheel of Time Crossover/Fusion.

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Should I continue fleshing out this idea?

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Postby Karsus » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:28 pm

On the issue of Ranma channeling Saidin.
If he doesn't have the spark in him(however powerful he may be), he'd need training of the right kind to access Saidin. There's no guarantee that he would learn it. I don't think everyone teaches the Flame and the Void, and the closest other option for Ranma might be learning a deeper version of the Soul of Ice.
The AS may well discourage a trainee from spending too much time with warders, or Ranma might not find their fighting style particularly appealing possibly being far inferior to what he can manage.. thus never learning the Flame and the Void.
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Personally, I'd expect Ranma to be strong in the Power, if only because of his greater chi ability... Its not like the human body is likely to have multiple paths for energy transfer, and channelers have no difference physically from normal humans, only mentally(even though the power is apparently channeled through the body).
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I don't like the idea of him taking the oaths, but he may as well... or he can run away at that point(not much left to learn after that with regard to the OP anyway.. which he could realize).
... Considering how Ranma normally learns techniques. I'd almost expect him to be an AS in under 3 months.
Look at how little training Elayne and the rest have had, time wise. Effective OP training for Egwene or Nynaeve might be under a year. And Egwene at least is considered full AS. Elayne has a year on her, I believe, and she also is considered full AS.
Tarna(when she came to Salidar), seemed to think that with the level Elayne had achieved she would be made AS soon(while she was Accepted.. so even the WT would have done it)
Maybe the AS would want Ranma to learn other stuff, but if his mastery over the OP is absolute, he's powerful and he can remain fairly emotionless, I think he'd get the AS level quickly enough.
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On another issue, Rand is a lameass. He needs someone to give him a serious spanking. A Ranma stronger than him, would do him a fair deal of good :)
If Ranma's physically superior speed, and ki enhancement could reach his OP channeling speed, things could get ugly(mostly for the Forsaken, who are lame enough as it is)
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Personally, I think Super Asha'man Ranma might be more interesting... if he grew some back bone and leadership ability(so that he didn't end up a tool for buffoons like Rand)
Let him take over Taim's spot, and have a disagreement with Rand about how things should be working :)
btw, I suspect that Taim not showing all his power and seeming just barely weaker than Rand, was meant to imply that he might be stronger in the OP than Rand(on which issue RJ has only said RAFO sadly :))
Seriously, there are too many people around Rand's level, for his level to be considered the max of all possibility. I consider him more the male equivalent of Graendal or Messana instead of Lanfear(assuming Lanfear was the max possible for a normal woman)
... not that I consider a ki enhanced human normal.
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On further thought, it occurs to me that it would be interesting, if Ranma knew how to channel Saidin(in his male form), already using the right kind of focus in battle(and gaining the ability in that world.. the OP simply not existing with sufficient strength in the Ranmaverse)
... if he learns that male channlers get an effective death sentence(and doesn't know for sure how severing would effect him), then he might have to stay a girl by choice.. until he can become strong enough to survive battle with AS(possibly 13 since thats how many would be sent).
Thus, he would learn the AS way of channeling Saidar, and also seek to master Saidin enough to be able to maintain his male form and survive AS attack, if he's found out, or they find him as a guy.
(who can say the taint would have much effect on him anyway. It doesn't on everyone(refer Logain). Maybe his superior healing would overcome whatever effect the taint is trying to have)
.. assuming that you can get away with not rotting, the only other problem is probably the voice in the head the worries most people in Randland and makes them think they're crazy. A little proof that the voice is another person, possibly a past self, and Ranma being of Japanese origin should be much less horrified.
Seriously, with Rand... after having gained all manner of channeling and other knowledge from Lews Therin, how could he possibly doubt that LTT was real(pathetic dumb-ass)
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Hmm... some other ideas for when Ranma could drop in.. if he's a male channeler...
1. Pre-Asmo: Gives Rand someone to work and learn with(and fear)
2. During the time Rand was taught by Asmo: Considerable opportunity for learning
3. Captured, Compelled and Taught by a male Forsaken, if he's potentially very powerful... would also give him the opportunity to do considerable evil even if he's not responsible for it.
4. Taught by Ishy to be a Forsaken and somewhat indoctrinated with Ishy's beliefs, even if he later starts to disagree.
5. Arrives somewhere in the past. Starts channeling and slows(making his potential life span very long... (like Taim's: if he looks 35, he could even be 200). He'd essentially be a male wilder teaching himself(possibly limited by his martial arts only world view getting ideas mostly from what he's seen, so that he won't come up with too many amazing things until he's had decades to grow past his original limited personality)... On this path, I'd definitely have strong ki overriding the taint's effects.
... even as it is, for normal people, it takes years usually to take effect(unless you drive yourself mad with the fear of going mad). For something with such a slow effect, what is needed to offset it might not be much.
Guys like Logain for example seem to manage to completely override its effects(might be because he thinks highly of himself, instead of letting himself accept a miserable fate.. unlike Rand's who's always doubting himself).
This has the added benefit of letting him be older than Cadsuane :)
6. Asha'man Ranma: This I've already mentioned. But its late in the story, and the opportunities for becoming a major character are low.
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Postby nodregah » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:18 am

I had to vote yes to contiue this Idea.
No offence to anyone, but I have yet to see a Ranma/WoT x-over that I liked.
A couple of points: 1.Some talents, either thought lost or new, are appearing in Randland. Some are passive, like the ability to see ta'veren others are agressive, like the ability to shield anyone. Some of the feats Ranma can accomplish could be attributed this way.
2.I do not see Ranma letting her Martial Arts slip. It has been shown that channelers need concentration, a fist seems to break peoples concentration.
3.Not using the One Power as a weapon does NOT affect his Martial Arts. At all. It just means that when she gets into a fight her best weapon will be Martial Arts, until she is in a situation where the One Power can be used. I can see her only fortifying herself with Ki until the restriction on the OP is released and then she can use her OP ranged attacks and defences.
4.I see Ranma as a Green, due to it being the Battle Ajah. Red, if done cleverly, could perhaps balance the 'girls are weaker' mind set that was taught by Genma. Heck, converts are the most fanatical of all followers. It would also help his relationship with the Amazons and their mindset.
(Sorry for the gender confusion throughout this, I am not used to writing Ranma as female.)
Just a few points. No matter what I would like to see the story written.
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Postby Winchester » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:24 pm

...Oookay. Ranma in the White Tower as a Novice? That will either not last very long (as in hours); or what will come out at the end of the training will hardly be recognizable as Ranma.

First off, Tower discipline is rigid beyond belief. Novices are at the very bottom of the pecking order, and can be ordered to do pretty much anything by anyone who's past that rank. Many of the rules don't make sense (IIRC, there's a few scenes of Egwene going on about it), punishments are harsh and sometimes pretty arbitrary; and appealing to higher justice has a better than even chance of actually increasing the punishment due to whining about it. Bad idea, overall.

Second, the Tower as an institution fears deeply anything it doesn't understand. The story of Elyas Machera, the Warder who became a wolfbrother and who the Reds wanted to Gentle just to make sure is one example. Girl who can channel and who can turn into a boy: seize, detain, put to the question, study, always suspect. There would be a rather loud movement to still or even kill Ranma just to make sure the taint couldn't use her to cross over somehow.

Third, Ranma would be quite unlikely to ever get to actually train with the Warders - novices and Accepted alike are supposed to use their "spare" time for studies, and the novices are actually kept away from the Warder training grounds. Sneaking down and beating half of them at swords through pure skill would probably seem like a fun idea at first, until she's caught and made to do j´kitchen chores for the next year or so for her trouble.

And then there's the regular infighting, Ajah politics, and the Black Ajah to worry about.

In short, retaining any of Ranma, given what we're told about that environment in the books, would be well-nigh impossible.

On the other hand, Ranma would probably thrive among the Aiel...

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Postby nodregah » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:42 pm

The first queston I have to ask is when is this fic taking place? before or during the books? If its happning while the books are happening, during which book? If its before or after the founding of the Asha'man? Before or after the split in the tower? Does s/he go with the Rebels? All of these questions need to be answered first.
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Postby Mitchell » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:52 pm

Personally I like the idea of Ranma turning up a bit in the past, and thanks to a ki potential survives the taint of Saidin/

As to the steangh of Rand, thats a bit arbitary. There is not doubt that there are two people on Rands's level. Rand and Ishmael/Morridin. There are people CLOSE like Aringor(sp?) demendred/Logain/Taim etc, but Rand has the most pure power of any charecter apart from Ishmael or the Dark One.

Ranma being on that level but backed with skill in usign the OP, not jsut brute force, and a potent ki energy could be interesting.

If Ranma really does turn up in the past before the books. where/what would he do. I can see him seriously avoiding the Aes Sedai, but what would he do. Of course he would try to improve his skills, but what else would he do? Where would he settle down or would he wander around the world? If he is a bit before the books does he get involved in the Aiel war?
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Postby nuriko » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:06 am

Ranma among the Aiel ... that would just make too much sense. Disdain for swords, lives by a strict code ... even his girl side's red hair wouldn't seem out of place. Of course, people have spotted this before...
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Postby Mitchell » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:24 am

I would more likely see Ranma making an agreement with the wise ones/clan chiefs. "You don't bother me, and I don't destory your entire civilisation." Well maybe not that extreame
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Postby Hazard » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:26 am

Unless I'm mistaken, Ranma doesn't exactly disdain the swords themselves, he has proven many times that if necessary or available he'll use weapons, as well as that he has trained in at least the bo staff. It isn't too much a leap of faith to conclude he has atleast some skill and respect for swords themselves. Sword wielding people on the other hand, well, if Kuno is his only example I can easily believe he scorns them all.

And as for Ranma in the Red Ajah? Not going to happen, they wouldn't accept him there as he is male half the time.

As for Ranma not learning the Flame and the Void, strictly speaking he doesn't really need it, he has another way to remain calm, the Soul of Ice depends on it after all. This would most likely to think clearly as well.

As far as I know Ranma is used to being on the bottom of the pecking order, he has put up with his father for over 10 years after all. And it isn't as if the fiancées and Nabiki give him much in the way of deciding things for himself, they just keep pushing him. And the punishing for whining about it all? The fathers seem to have a pretty similar disposition.
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Postby Winchester » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:57 am

The difference between being at the bottom of the pecking order while on a trip with Genma, and being at the bottom of the pecking order while in the White Tower, is that Ranma could at least vent his frustrations on Genma, which he frequently did. That same attitude with an Aes Sedai would get him kicked out of the tower post-haste. The White Tower itself also has very little to no experience with "students" already being masters of an art or craft when entering - and as demonstrated in later books, if it's not invented by the Tower, it's of no value *to* the Tower - or, it should be supressed as upsetting the balance.

The Aiel are a different story altogether. Parts of the Wise Ones' ranks are drawn from the Maidens of the Spear by necessity, and they have *vast* experience with tempering warrior spirits. Witness Aviendha, for example. Ranma would have no trouble accepting the prohibition on swords, even if he's demonstrated that he knows how to use them (as early as the first manga volume when Ranma-chan is twirling a bokken taken from Kuno during the pool encounter aftermath) - in fact, we know he knows how to use a staff and thus likely a spear rather well.


I shall have to think a little more on this, though.

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Postby Mitchell » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:41 pm

The only problem with Ranma joining the Aiel I see is that if she/he DOES have talent with the One Power, then by default he would be taken by the Wise Ones to be trained as Aviendha was. I doubt Ranma would react well to that, and he does not have the respect for the wise ones that Aviendha does.

I am not sure but Wise Ones were meant to 'give up the spear' which basiclly meant to give up combat. Ranma would NOT act accordingly.
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