Ranma/Star Wars X-Wing cross

[Light02]

I've been contemplating a Ranma crossover that places Ranma in either Rogue Squadron or Wraith Squadron. any opinions on this.

[Forum Troll]

Need a bit more info to really have an opinion on the story
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[MC80a Liberty]

Well, I'd be interested so long as you don't base any battles too heavily on those from the novels, seeing as they tend to horribly overpower the fighters and underpower the capships (Stackpole admitted that he based them directly on the X-Wing game, not the movies). Wraith squadron would be far more likely than the Rogues as well, seeing as nearly all of them have issues and were intended to serve as commandos first, pilots second.

[DCG]

Err.. You can't even post in the ideas bord unless youhave more then this..
Sorry but one line and then fishing for help just don't cut it.

[bissek]

Ranma is definitely more of a Wraith than a Rogue.
He'd enjoy sparring with Kell and Shalla (The fact that Shalla is half Kell's size and can toss Kell around like a limp dishrag would make a dent in the "girls are weak" ideology his father instilled). The fact that they all come up with crazy plans and somehow pull them off is just his style. I'm sure they'd come up with some intel gathering ideas (and several pranks) around his gender-swapping.
Would this be when the Wraiths were under General Solo (during the books) or General Cracken (After the books)?

[Pale Wolf]

I'd have to agree with all of the opinions thus-far stated.
Ranma as a Wraith/Rogue: Wraith, obviously. The basic purpose suits him far better (Wraith was commando-first, Rogue was commando-second, so which one would the superhuman martial artist go in?) And, as MC80a said, the Wraiths are sufficiently dysfunctional. Any group that has 'What do we blow up first?' as their motto would be.
bissek beat me to the uses of his curse - although don't you mean several years worth of pranks? Normal people would come up with several pranks from the gender-swapping. Wraiths would do far worse.

The fact that they all come up with crazy plans and somehow pull them off is just his style.

"Wes, could you check how many hairs just went gray?" I really pity Wedge if Ranma joins up. Probably the only pack of loonies anywhere near Ranma's level of ingenuity...
All that said, however, DC's right too - this isn't really enough to consider a full idea yet, it's just a concept with a bit of demonic cackling as to the possibilities thrown in. So shall we work on hammering it into something approaching an idea?
(Whips out Calliope, her Titanic-on-a-Stick mallet)
The first issue you've got to resolve is how you plan to get Ranma into a situation where joining one of these squadrons is even an option. Do you want to resituate Ranma 1/2 in the Star Wars universe, say put Earth or Nerima on one planet and have it all go on around them? Do you want to get the Ranma we know there, ie dimensional travel? (In that case, you could have Pluto kick him out of the time where he could interfere - you know, a homage to Insertion ) Why would he join the Rebellion, why would he train as a pilot? (After becoming a fighter pilot, his 'gotta be the best' attitude would kind of automatically lead to him trying for the elites...) And that's even before considering where in the Star Wars timeline he'd pop up.

[Mitchell]

As for how Ranma got to the star wars universe you could have the Earth that Ranma lives on as a undeveloped planet.
Perhaps Skywalker is going past and senses the ki energies of the high powered Martial artists and believes there are a cadre of force users down their? With the use of emotional crutches like depression, anger and pride perhaps he thinks its some kind of Sith gathering point? THenhave them 'abduct' Ranma for some reason.

[Light02]

I just wanted everyones opinion before I put the full idea I have some scenes writen down just wasn't sure which squadron.
Basically my idea uses the cliche of a wish sending Ranma where he's needed *insert Opening crawl fanfare here* he wakes up a few weeks later on the Mon Romoda (Han's flagship in the durring the Bacta War of the Rouge arc and all of the Wraith Arc) though I was figuring using the Battle of Tyferra for Ranma to get the bug and join the New Republic Millitary, durring traing he really makes a nucense of himself in the hand to hand part ot the training throwing the trainers around like Shalla does Kell. with that track record most self respective squardons wouldn't accept him until he heard of the new Squadron that Comander Antillies and Lt. Janson (useing the Wraith Arc). and note he's not a Jedi he can't use the force, dispite the fact most people use his Ki ablities as force ablities I tend to not do it that way.

[Battlekrome]

hrmm
the wish to be where needed is a little cliche but doable
the other is have a planet (Tokyo or such / japan as full planet)
Coruscant almost works as would alderaan (heck alderaan as home planet basically writes itself into why he joined)
not sure how to do fiancees... (Saotome gambit style might work)
as a prelude have an impetus for ranma to fly a starfighter / skyhopper type ship
heck you could do the farmer to the market chase sequence
ranma taking taxi to work/home and gets wrong place wrong time with rebels and ends up hearing about their cause
driver gets hit they get ranma to drive and etc...
Then we have Wraith squadron who by last count were all screw ups of some sort
ranma and authority might be one way the gender switching might be another (though in a universe where species is a bias gender might be less of a hinderance)
As for Starfighter vs Capital ships , stackpole did decently... then again its been said over and over that a full wing of x-wings all launching proton torps on the same point in the shield can crack a impstar deuce
mind you most battles are never that coordinated (well unless you're Rogue squadron...)
(lets not forget the B-Wing the capital ship stuffed into a starfighter)

[Light02]

problem with Alderran is that it would have being an old hat in the Rebel alliance though it would get rid of the fiancees could have that Herbs duel wasn't on Alderran.
in the first scene I've writen I've alreayed used Belldandy to send him cause of a wish he made to this universe I like the idea he's a fish out of water in these suitations.
now as for Ranma being a screw up I'm pretty much using his lack of respect for authority "unless he deems his superior earned it he doesn't give it"
as for getting Ranma caught up there's bound to be some sort of Tutor droids out there, hell a protocal droid like Threepio could get him uptodate on galactic knowlege though he wouldn't excelt at stuff like Astronavigations

[Pale Wolf]

though I was figuring using the Battle of Tyferra for Ranma to get the bug and join the New Republic Millitary

How would he get into that battle?
Or do you mean something about the story makes him feel like joining (ie the fact that there are people crazy enough to take on those odds and win)?

durring traing he really makes a nucense of himself in the hand to hand part ot the training throwing the trainers around like Shalla does Kell.

I'm still wondering why 'pilot' lines itself up as his choice of occupation. I mean, there are quite a few respectable commando outfits in the general military, let alone NRI, so where does he get the idea 'I will pilot'?

(heck alderaan as home planet basically writes itself into why he joined)

... I'm embarrassed that I never thought of that.

Then we have Wraith squadron who by last count were all screw ups of some sort

Stressful screwup who scares Janson, check.
Jedi washout screwup, check.
Insubordinate screwup, check.
Deranged medic screwup, check.
Multi-personality screwup, check.
Shell-shocked screwup, check.
Imperial spy screwup, check.
Ex-actor screwup, check.
Overconfident hacker screwup (times two!), check.
Admiral's daughter screwup who screws up at being a screwup, check.
Bioengineered 'Ewok' screwup, check (yub yub, Commander).
Joker screwup, check.
Poor frazzled sane man screwup, check.
Let's play 'name the Wraith'!

(though in a universe where species is a bias gender might be less of a hinderance)

Nah, gender is still a hindrance in Star Wars universe, in the Empire at least - remember that Daala was a nobody until she found a sponsor.

as for getting Ranma caught up there's bound to be some sort of Tutor droids out there, hell a protocal droid like Threepio could get him uptodate on galactic knowlege though he wouldn't excelt at stuff like Astronavigations

That's what Piggy's for.
That said, I presume Basic is, conveniently enough, identical to Japanese through some intriguing set of coincidences?

[Eris]

Nah, gender is still a hindrance in Star Wars universe, in the Empire at least - remember that Daala was a nobody until she found a sponsor.

Actually that's more because Daala was incompetent than real bias. It wasn't until she slept with Tarkin that she was paid any attention to, and even then she was just shipped off to a nothing command as a nod to him.
After all, she's pretty bitter about her sex to the point about lying about how she was the only woman at her rank. We've got another official female Admiral in Betl Oxtroe, one of the few people who tried to avert the galactic meltdown after the Emperor's death by setting up a coalition government (she was assassinated for her trouble--we don't know by whom).
Director Ysane Isard was also a woman, and that's one of the most important positions in the Empire. She essentially outranks almost any man we've seen save Darth Vader. We also have a couple official star destroyer and interdictor captains from the X-Wing novels, and a few other nameless army and navy officers sprinkled throughout. Plus every single Emperor's Hand that has been mentioned has been female to my knowledge.
Also, these are all senior officers. To get one admiral, you need countless thousands of senior officers, junior officers, warrant officers, NCOs and ratings below her. Plus there is room for many others we just haven't been shown (the Empire is a big place after all with billions or trillions of military personnel). Women are definately in the minority in the military, but the Empire isn't as misogynist as Rebel propaganda portrays them.
My personal intuition is that the sex ratio is just coming into balance. The Old Republic apparently was a sexist organisation--I'm guessing Imperial policies on that count were starting to integrate the military, but after only 25 years could only do so much. That's actually about the right time period to start seeing your first crop of female admirals actually, given academy graduations two to four years after the declaration of empire. I think it fits rather well.
*is a die hard Imperial chick* ^^ Hell, I'd go straight for prequels!Palpatine.

[Light02]

Wolf about Tyferra I mean that there was a live feed on the Holonet on that battle on the Mon Romoda
as for naming the Wraiths you missed one
Screwup who uses good luck charms

Stressful screwup who scares Janson, check.

Kell Trainer

Jedi washout screwup, check.

Tyira Sakira

Insubordinate screwup, check.

Caston Donn could fit that fill but Flynn Sandskimmer

Deranged medic screwup, check.

Ton Phanna

Multi-personality screwup, check.

Runt

Shell-shocked screwup, check.

Myn Donos

Imperial spy screwup, check.

Lara Norstal

Ex-actor screwup, check.

Garik "The Face" Loran

Overconfident hacker screwup (times two!), check.

Grinder, Castain Donn and last Lara Norstal

Admiral's daughter screwup who screws up at being a screwup, check.

Jasmine Ackbar

Bioengineered 'Ewok' screwup, check (yub yub, Commander).

Lt. Kettrc or if you want the real answer it's everyones fave intelligent Gamorian Piggy

Joker screwup, check.

Wes Janson

Poor frazzled sane man screwup, check.

Wedge Antilles
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[Pale Wolf]

Actually that's more because Daala was incompetent than real bias.

She wasn't amazing, however she still kicked the asses of people promoted far beyond her.

After all, she's pretty bitter about her sex to the point about lying about how she was the only woman at her rank.

(Would probably chalk that up to her author having been honest when she said it, prior to the existence of this other)

We've got another official female Admiral in Betl Oxtroe, one of the few people who tried to avert the galactic meltdown after the Emperor's death by setting up a coalition government (she was assassinated for her trouble--we don't know by whom).

Hm? Strange, I've never heard of her. Maybe I got out of SW before she was written of.

We also have a couple official star destroyer and interdictor captains from the X-Wing novels

Well, I remember our friendly Interdictor captain, but I don't seem to recall any female SD captains from those novels.

Plus every single Emperor's Hand that has been mentioned has been female to my knowledge.

... Wasn't that a Jade-exclusive title?

Wolf about Tyferra I mean that there was a live feed on the Holonet on that battle on the Mon Romoda

Hm, so what about the battle prompted him to join?

as for naming the Wraiths you missed one
Screwup who uses good luck charms

Actually, I was just listing the original crop (the ones who were intended to be screwups), although Gara-chan was just too cute not to include.
And have you forgotten all about those poor martial arts and arrested-development screwups?

Answers

... You know, the funny part is I wasn't seriously asking

Lt. Kettch or if you want the real answer it's everyones fave intelligent Gamorrean Piggy

Well, 'bioengineered screwup' sounded too short, and 'Gamorrean screwup' was too obvious. Besides, Janson did coin that phrase when Piggy walked in.

[bissek]

There are a total of two KNOWN Emperor's Hands. Both were women. Mara's cover was as a dancer, the other (Roganda Ismene, from Children of the Jedi) was officially one of Palpatine's concubines. Thrawn implied that there were at least three Hands (He stated that Mara heard the Emperor's commands better than the rest of his Hands, which implies at least two more), but unless a list was recorded in the database at the Hand of Thrawn, exactly how many there were shall remain a mystery.
Daala's key competency was never losing track of her mission (Which many of the warlords did). Her ability to lead forces anywhere outside of a simulator had degraded beyond usefulness by the time she got a chance to actually do it. She might have been a brilliant strategist in the pre-Yavin days (she had to have had some skill for Tarkin to look for her in the first place), but she couldn't keep up to date with developments in tactical theory while at Maw Station and as a result every idea she had was analyzed and counters found long before she returned to the front while she never learned about any new strategies developed by other people. This is the reason why every time she fought against people who could shoot back, she lost.
In terms of rank, Isard would have been equal (or at worst one rank junior) to Thrawn. She may or may not have slept with the emperor (She admitted that she had loved him, but never said if he took her as a mistress), but whether or not that played a part in getting her father's job after she framed him, you can't keep a job that critical under Vader and Palpatine and live without being good at it.
A more plausible way for Ranma to go to the Wraiths would be for him to start in the Commandos like Kell did (Ranma might even meet-and beat the crap out of-Vula Nelprin, Kell's old teacher). Some incidents with his unit being chewed up as a result of poor air support might cause Ranma to want to learn piloting so that he could handle that himself.
Would Ranma address Piggy as P-chan?
Ranma's a fairly good actor - though he isn't as good at lying when he isn't playing a part. Face might find that useful.