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Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Quickshot0 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:01 pm

I originally got this idea from a previous fanfic called 'Princess' I believe, where a Jusenkyo spring turned Ranma in to a Moon Princess. I thought this idea had a fair amount of potential but atleast for me that particular fic was rather a let down. :(

Still, I didn't want to just copy, so I worked out an own idea. Making Ranma the older sister of Serenity called Tranquility, cause well, would be the same naming scheme. Tranquility would have been born right about the founding of the Silver Millennium I think and would have been the Heir apparent for the longest time, though unlike her sister and mother, she would be a bit a lot martial orientated and have been instrumental in securing and expanding the Empires borders outwards. I was thinking of going with the idea that this Empire would eventually span the entire Galaxy, well most of it before it's collapse once the center got destroyed and the edges started warring internally after the death of Queen Serenity. And the entire fall would have been precipitated by the death of Tranquility herself decades earlier, leaving the empire run by perhaps slightly to peace loving rulers.

In any case, Tranquility died defending Earth and the Moon at Jusenkyo and got sealed away there and died, eventually leading to the creation of the Jusenkyo pools. Her mother at the end of the empire manages to send her forward along with everyone else 60.000 years ago (I figured this was a nice date, as around that time in our time line humanity almost went extinct) How ever due to Tranquilities unusual way of death via a sealing, she's reborn as Ranma and end up male. He is still partially linked to the pools though, thus leading him to be attracted to it and eventually thus cursed/forced awakened to her old form. Which Leaves Ranma stuck as a girl and in this case, with no way back. Well unless 'she' can figure out her own magic to actually cast a gender changing spell, but this has a hook, because the best way to learn magic is to use her memories. And him being manly, he obviously is not interested in becoming more of a girl. :lol:

I'm still working on how to fully integrate the time lines from them on, though I'm thinking of a more technological explanation to everything, like for instance Ozzallos tends to prefer as well. With perhaps star seeds being some kind of magical device, perhaps some thing a bit like linker cores in the Magical Girl Nanoha series and similarly a kind of magic technology, allowing them to have some spacecraft etc etc in the past. Metallia would be then I think a weapons system from an old enemy that was willing to do anything to not be absorbed by the empire, Chaos would I suppose be something similar but maybe even worse?

I'm still busy figuring out how to make all aspects of the story a bit more technological, I guess the time gates aren't to much of an issue in this respect, just treat them like a black box. I'm tentatively thinking perhaps the dream mirrors could be considered as a way to viewing in to a persons mind via their star seed interface then. Youma could either be some thing like I guess transformed humans or a magical construct, Cardians I guess are a magical construct. Guinzuisho is maybe a device that allows you to vastly surpass your natural limits even up to ridiculous extents, but obviously how further you exceed it, the more chance you will lose control and burn out and die.

Also to avoid some problematic plot problems etc, I think I probably should cross some of the manga plot elements with the anime plot elements. For instance the presence of humans everywhere seems most easily explained by Earth once long ago being the original world that colonized everything and thus avoiding the Galaxy Cauldron problem of being the source of everything, that gives me continuity headaches. Though on the flip side, Galaxia's minions probably going right after the Senshi as soon as they can find them, knowing full well which kind of person has star seeds. Though honestly I'm not sure how to deal with time problem around Nehelenia and the extra year they seemingly had there to prepare for High School, maybe I should just ignore it and move them on or so...
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Postby Shanami » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:44 pm

Sounds kinda like you are referencing Princess of the Moon by CRose.

Um, while it's all well and good to plan that far in advance, I don't think you necessarily need to.

I'm all for seeing more of Ranma stuck in a fuku and having to deal with his femininity, though I'm curious as to whether or not the pool itself is permanent for Ranma, or if something along the way (like the locking ladle incident) is permanent because his soul is totally aligned with the pool.

Technology isn't a bad thing, but I don't think you actually *need* a full explanation for everything. After all, you are keeping at least some of the magical explanation (Jusenkyo existing, senshi attacks) around, so you don't actually need to explain why Galaxia might not just crush them as babies, how the dream mirrors work, etc. Especially considering how much plot you might have to get through just to get to those points, I'd say start writing the first arc or so of the story and then go from there. It might be significantly harder to figure everything out in advance, just to have things change as you write them.

I'd say the biggest questions you actually should be considering (aside from how the jusenkyo aspects are going to work for everyone) are the following: Which Ranma cast characters will still be involved and how (if Ranma is locked from day 1 at Jusenkyo, that's going to change things)? When does Ranma meet the senshi, and when does Ranma join them in their battles (if ever)? Ranma's transformation and powers are? What is Ranma's relationship going to be to Usagi, meaning will they feel like and want to act like sisters (and how about the other scouts)? If Ranma is fully female, does she still live the Tendos, and if not, where does she live? If Ranma is in Nerima, how will she wind up interacting with the Scouts?

I'm not saying you haven't thought of the answers to those questions. I'm just saying that at least for the start of the story (assuming you are having Ranma involved from the beginning of BSSM) there are many issues that are *much* more relevant than the later plot elements of SM.

Anyway, good luck writing.
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Postby Dumbledork » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:21 am

Not overly original, but I'd read it. I'm a sucker for fukufics.
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Postby Quickshot0 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:28 am

Not overly original, but I'd read it. I'm a sucker for fukufics.


I don't have much experience with writing, so I was advised among other things to not be all to ambitious and so in extension I figured I'd not try any thing all to original for my first try. Sadly when my computer broke down for a week I had a little bit to much free time to think things over...





Sounds kinda like you are referencing Princess of the Moon by CRose.


Yeah, that's the one, I should have looked it up myself, thanks for finding it instead.


I'm all for seeing more of Ranma stuck in a fuku and having to deal with his femininity, though I'm curious as to whether or not the pool itself is permanent for Ranma, or if something along the way (like the locking ladle incident) is permanent because his soul is totally aligned with the pool.


My idea on this was, was that it was permanent only for him because of how he gets it, basically the seal meant to entrap him is still active though damaged so when he falls in he can't get out. However the transformation shock does shake some memories loose, so instead he destroys the magic and by accident the cursed magic on himself.

Technology isn't a bad thing, but I don't think you actually *need* a full explanation for everything. After all, you are keeping at least some of the magical explanation (Jusenkyo existing, senshi attacks) around, so you don't actually need to explain why Galaxia might not just crush them as babies, how the dream mirrors work, etc. Especially considering how much plot you might have to get through just to get to those points, I'd say start writing the first arc or so of the story and then go from there. It might be significantly harder to figure everything out in advance, just to have things change as you write them.


You might be right, but as pointed above I had a bit to much free time on my head, so I started thinking about it any way. I guess I'd better write instead really, especially there some one has been very 'insistent' about that. :oops:

I'd say the biggest questions you actually should be considering (aside from how the jusenkyo aspects are going to work for everyone) are the following: Which Ranma cast characters will still be involved and how (if Ranma is locked from day 1 at Jusenkyo, that's going to change things)? When does Ranma meet the senshi, and when does Ranma join them in their battles (if ever)? Ranma's transformation and powers are? What is Ranma's relationship going to be to Usagi, meaning will they feel like and want to act like sisters (and how about the other scouts)? If Ranma is fully female, does she still live the Tendos, and if not, where does she live? If Ranma is in Nerima, how will she wind up interacting with the Scouts?



As for the other questions, hmmm, I was thinking that certain characters from the Ranma 1/2 universe will come find Ranma no matter what, like Ryoga, Ukyo and some will be encountered via near unavoidable meetings, The Tendo's, Kuno, Happosai. Maybe some others, they'll probably lose in importance over time I suspect, I'm thinking of perhaps avoiding the Amazons though. I'm also figuring that Genma will suggest maybe she could marry Mr Tendo instead, perhaps partially as motivation for him to find a cure... I believe during the locking ladle incident he did the same. In any case, via that kind of reasoning Genma would likely conclude that he'd be most 'motivated' by keeping him around the Tendos, which no doubt will get him some free food as well and out of reach of his wife for the time being.
Encountering the Senshi I thought would probably be most easily introduced via the incident where Jadeite threatened the entire city, that should definitely catch his attention and avoid any potentially contrived explanation for how he ever ended up encountering them.
His relationship with his sister Usagi will probably at the start be based in utter denial, as that would be equal to accepting facets of feminity. Maybe I'm mistaken, but my impression was that while he doesn't mind using his female form, that he will go to rather extreme lengths to find a cure for it. So depending on the progression in the SM arcs, he might eventually change his mind about how to treat her. On that note, it might be amusing if everyone mistook him for Serenity initially. :wink:


Thanks for asking any way, it does help me think about relevant aspects to the story further.
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:06 pm

Hm... Shanami's right, to some extent, but also wrong.

I agree that you do not need to tell your readers the physical principles behind all of this stuff, or the names of the scientific team that designed the senshi transformation or whatever. But you do need to know what's really going on, under the surface, in your fic's universe. You can let some of it leak out, if you want, but at the very least you need to know where the various powers come from (so you can know what they can do), what the various entities are (so you can understand their objectives)...

If you don't do that much, you're doing it wrong.

I don't have much experience with writing, so I was advised among other things to not be all to ambitious and so in extension I figured I'd not try any thing all to original for my first try. Sadly when my computer broke down for a week I had a little bit to much free time to think things over...


Hm... to be honest, I'd suggest going the other way.

You need to have a lot of skill as a writer to pull off well-trod ideas well, and interestingly, or you'll... well, you'll have something out there, but it'll just be another one of the mass of fics. You also need a lot of skill to pull off the utterly out-there ideas well.

I'd suggest, for your first try at writing, going to the middle. Don't go for anything all the way out there, but try for original ideas, or at least an original take on the idea.

Here's the main question you need to ask, and that I am asking you. I'll bold it for emphasis, since if you don't read anything else of this post I want you to get this bit: 'And then what?'

Ranma's the reincarnation of Serenity's bigger sister, and the Silver Millenium was built off science rather than superpowers. Okay. There's your start. Now... what next?

What is going to happen? Are we just running through the Sailor Moon plotline with the insertion of Ranma? Or is something going to actually happen? If so, what? What's Ranma being Tranq going to affect? What effects will it have on Ranma? (And, as a side question for you, how are you going to make things tense enough for the readers to be interested, if you're adding this much firepower to what the senshi already had?)

That is the question you want to answer, if you want to write a real fic, rather than meandering about through five seasons without a target.

You also need a hook. Something that will get the readers saying 'Holy shit, I need more of this'. Something that is, in some sense, awesome. You need this to be something that the readers haven't had much of. Maybe a snippet from the future of the fic, or maybe just skip the early boring stuff and cover it in flashback (same way Takahashi covered Ranma itself - she started pretty much in the middle, going to the Tendo place, with a freaking panda sparring with a girl, and then explained 'how the fuck we got to this strange, strange place', and used flashbacks whenever something from the past came up). Because... no offence, but Ranma readers have seen Ranma getting stuck at Jusenkyo about a hundred times. There's probably a checklist for the scenes for it by now.

Sunny started an Evangelion fic by nuking an angel and turning Shinji into a girl. He started a Ranma fic with Kasumi a mercenary and almost shooting Ranma.

Random 1377 started an Evangelion fic with Shinji and an Evangelion transport blown out of the sky by mercenaries out to steal the Eva.

I started a Ranma/SM fic with Ranma fighting a split personality in his mind, and a Nanoha fic with a weapons test and aerial duel in a cloud of toxins.

You need to start with something out of the ordinary. Something to draw a reader's attention.

You might be right, but as pointed above I had a bit to much free time on my head, so I started thinking about it any way. I guess I'd better write instead really, especially there some one has been very 'insistent' about that.


I agree with your 'someone'. Best thing for an idea is to get down and start writing. The further you get, the more experience you have for that story's feel, the better you'll do - taking twenty weeks to plot things out tends to eat up your enthusiasm for the project, so just have broad strokes and then start cranking. (And make sure not to stumble yourself up in plot)

I'm also figuring that Genma will suggest maybe she could marry Mr Tendo instead, perhaps partially as motivation for him to find a cure... I believe during the locking ladle incident he did the same.


Technically, Soun was the one who suggested that one.

In any case, via that kind of reasoning Genma would likely conclude that he'd be most 'motivated' by keeping him around the Tendos, which no doubt will get him some free food as well and out of reach of his wife for the time being.


Well... Genma might aim for that, but I imagine Ranma, upon getting informed of the whole shebang, would probably run like crazy. Arranged marriage is one thing, but it's a whole lot scarier when you're talking arranged marriage against your existing sexual preference, to a much older man, who is unlike Akane highly insistent on the engagement.

Encountering the Senshi I thought would probably be most easily introduced via the incident where Jadeite threatened the entire city, that should definitely catch his attention and avoid any potentially contrived explanation for how he ever ended up encountering them.


Well, considering he made himself visible to everyone in the city and told them where he'd be...
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Re: Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Quickshot0 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:49 am

Well... Genma might aim for that, but I imagine Ranma, upon getting informed of the whole shebang, would probably run like crazy. Arranged marriage is one thing, but it's a whole lot scarier when you're talking arranged marriage against your existing sexual preference, to a much older man, who is unlike Akane highly insistent on the engagement.


Hmmm, you have a point... I guess at the least it would need a different emphasis, or maybe a better idea in general...


What is going to happen? Are we just running through the Sailor Moon plotline with the insertion of Ranma? Or is something going to actually happen? If so, what? What's Ranma being Tranq going to affect? What effects will it have on Ranma? (And, as a side question for you, how are you going to make things tense enough for the readers to be interested, if you're adding this much firepower to what the senshi already had?)


I was guessing here that the enemies would atleast have to be marginally smarter about things, they oftenly have plenty of numbers after all, but employ them on a one by one basis. Which is fine for a purely fantasy type setting, but makes less sense when you take a lot of the fantasy out of it. Probably make maintaining secret identities more important as well.


Ranma's the reincarnation of Serenity's bigger sister, and the Silver Millenium was built off science rather than superpowers. Okay. There's your start. Now... what next?



Hmmm, how about if by the modern times their magical theory is rather outdated compared to everyone else who's had some millennia to work out some new tricks. In this context even if they had a fair amount of raw power, they'd be struggling to not be out maneuvered. Also some one like Ami would be trying to figure out the new magical systems, so as to keep them from being blind sided as much. Well maybe it needs a bit more, but I guess that could be a start...
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Postby Dumbledork » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:15 am

There's another fic where Ranma is amoon princess and it hasn't been mentioned yet:

'A Dark Moon Rising' by deathgeonous

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3538472/1/A ... oon_Rising
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Postby Shanami » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:38 am

At this point, while that one is better written, there's a more complete older version of the fic by death. A Dark Moon Rising is a rewrite that's only made it about 75% of the way through what was already done.

And while I don't remember where I read it, there are a couple other good examples of Ranma as a reborn princess, one where he becomes Usagi Saotome after Jusenkyo is permanent and winds up having a currently hate relationship with Mamoru Tendo. I recall reading a long time ago a fic where Ranma is the Princess of the Dark Side of the Moon and can use the Moon Tiara Action, but I can't remember the author or the name, and every time I type Dark Side of the Moon into google it gives me Pink Floyd stuff so I can't find it again...

There were a couple others as well, but I'm blanking right now. Something called Chaos Moon or Chaos in the Moon or something (can't remember, not in my favorites, blech) has Ranma as Usagi's half-sister in this life (Nodoka was with Kenji Tsukino before arranged marriage) and was her sister in the previous life but had no powers and Usagi finds Ranma contemplating suicide to start the fic. Gah, I hate when I can't remember stuff. It'll probably come to me later.

At any rate, there's certainly a lot of ways this has been done before if you are looking for source material. Perhaps my brain will reengage later (outside of memorizing more than you ever wanted to know about the GI system) and I can figure out where I put those links..
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:21 pm

I was guessing here that the enemies would atleast have to be marginally smarter about things, they oftenly have plenty of numbers after all, but employ them on a one by one basis. Which is fine for a purely fantasy type setting, but makes less sense when you take a lot of the fantasy out of it. Probably make maintaining secret identities more important as well.


That could be good if used right.

Hmmm, how about if by the modern times their magical theory is rather outdated compared to everyone else who's had some millennia to work out some new tricks. In this context even if they had a fair amount of raw power, they'd be struggling to not be out maneuvered. Also some one like Ami would be trying to figure out the new magical systems, so as to keep them from being blind sided as much. Well maybe it needs a bit more, but I guess that could be a start...


Who, though?

There are two main questions you still need to resolve, with this. Where are you going? You need an overarching plotline, not progressing through a series of stages - which means either you need to carry things to the end of the Dark Kingdom arc and just wink at the audience since they know what happens next (or continue it in another fic), or come up with some overarching plotline that ties it all together.

Thing is, Sailor Moon isn't one plotline. It's five discrete plots, one after the other. So covering the entirety of Sailor Moon is five distinct stories. They're not tied to one another in any way, except that the same characters are going through them (think of it like one of those adventure novels, if you've ever read them... Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew? Same main character, but the plots have nothing to do with each other). If you're doing it all as one story, you need to put at least one thread through the whole affair that keeps it in one coherent piece, or all five chunks are going to be sliding around messily with the fic ending up looking like Frankenstein.

Tied to this, is that you need it as one plot thread so you can have a conclusion. Something that wraps it all up, definitively says 'this is it, their lives will continue but this story's over'. Again, each of Sailor Moon's five plots wrapped up very coherently, but if you don't have one main thread, you can't wrap the whole story up - it'll just keep stopping and starting and eventually not start up again.

Second, you need to tie your main character into this. It is, after all, the main character - the story needs to focus on them. Not exclusively, but you have to pull off two things here.

First, you need to have Ranma have distinct, major challenges - and, as the main character, they need to be challenges that are pretty much central to the plotline.

Second, you should probably keep Ranma from overtaking Usagi's role, lest ye be murdered by angry Sailor Moon fans (Comartemis) in your sleep.

Here's where we get into one of the main problems with Sailor Moon - it is, completely and totally, about Usagi. There's almost nothing important happening that she doesn't cover or jump into.

This means you need to invent new roles for new characters to take over.

As far as the canon Sailor Moon plot goes, Ranma's pretty much an outsider - Tranquility wasn't even around for any of the events (like Metallia) that shaped Sailor Moon canon.

As a suggestion... you made a somewhat vague reference to 'enemies', and Tranquility died fighting (someone) at Jusenkyo. ... Why not use that somehow? It is a new set of roles that completely changes the Sailor Moon dynamic, and it is also a plotline that will inherently focus on Ranma.
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Postby Quickshot0 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:28 pm

There are two main questions you still need to resolve, with this. Where are you going? You need an overarching plotline, not progressing through a series of stages - which means either you need to carry things to the end of the Dark Kingdom arc and just wink at the audience since they know what happens next (or continue it in another fic), or come up with some overarching plotline that ties it all together.

Thing is, Sailor Moon isn't one plotline. It's five discrete plots, one after the other. So covering the entirety of Sailor Moon is five distinct stories. They're not tied to one another in any way, except that the same characters are going through them (think of it like one of those adventure novels, if you've ever read them... Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew? Same main character, but the plots have nothing to do with each other). If you're doing it all as one story, you need to put at least one thread through the whole affair that keeps it in one coherent piece, or all five chunks are going to be sliding around messily with the fic ending up looking like Frankenstein.



Hmmm, what if Ranma was at fault in a way for all these enemies being able to appear? For instance if ancient defensive wards and seals from the Silver Millennium, were destroyed by his actions, allowing the planet to be attacked in these various ways. Then the over arching plot idea would be to secure the world once more against attack, would that be a suitable idea for tying it all together?

If so, I guess what would happen is that Ranma would have to try and rebuild these fixed defenses, some thing that isn't really ever covered in Sailor Moon, but at the same time he doesn't actually want to recall his past life's memories to make it easier to do so. Hmmm... not quite sure which branch of thinking to follow from here. Maybe that the defenses don't get rebuilt any time soon, because Ranma isn't willing to pay the price and the Senshi not being awake for them coming down, not realizing immediately that they need to be there to protect them...?


Second, you should probably keep Ranma from overtaking Usagi's role, lest ye be murdered by angry Sailor Moon fans (Comartemis) in your sleep.

Here's where we get into one of the main problems with Sailor Moon - it is, completely and totally, about Usagi. There's almost nothing important happening that she doesn't cover or jump into.


It's just as well then, that I don't really spread around where I live online much then. :wink:
Nah, more seriously she should be of equivalent ability roughly, though more oriented to healing and recovery. Considering what we see her doing in the anime, she does develop a distaste to killing any one, if she can help it, after all. So it should be possible to develop complementary roles I think.


As far as the canon Sailor Moon plot goes, Ranma's pretty much an outsider - Tranquility wasn't even around for any of the events (like Metallia) that shaped Sailor Moon canon.

This means you need to invent new roles for new characters to take over.


I was thinking of perhaps maintaining the outsider status for awhile, perhaps to create confusion on the front of who is the princess and why she always vanishes after defeating enemies. Their memories are rather Swiss cheese early on, well even later on they still seem to be recalling things from the past... Her being out of the picture for awhile would probably help to reinforce difficulties of recalling her as well.

Though on the long term it would probably be a story of Serenity trying to get closer to her big sister again, well assuming she saw all that much of her previously. Hmm, maybe it would be more practical if she hadn't.


As a suggestion... you made a somewhat vague reference to 'enemies', and Tranquility died fighting (someone) at Jusenkyo. ... Why not use that somehow? It is a new set of roles that completely changes the Sailor Moon dynamic, and it is also a plotline that will inherently focus on Ranma.


Per my currently running idea on that, it would actually be the enemies that brought Metallia to the Solar System. If I remember correctly Metallia in the anime developed for awhile in the Sun, did it not?

So I guess that would probably make it the same enemies that develop Chaos then or Pharaoh 90, atleast it would be easier to assume that magical super weapons of the apocalyptic kind were all made by the same kind of people. The people who wanted to break the power of the Silver Millennium.
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Re: Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Pale Wolf » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:16 pm

Hmmm, what if Ranma was at fault in a way for all these enemies being able to appear? For instance if ancient defensive wards and seals from the Silver Millennium, were destroyed by his actions, allowing the planet to be attacked in these various ways. Then the over arching plot idea would be to secure the world once more against attack, would that be a suitable idea for tying it all together?

If so, I guess what would happen is that Ranma would have to try and rebuild these fixed defenses, some thing that isn't really ever covered in Sailor Moon, but at the same time he doesn't actually want to recall his past life's memories to make it easier to do so. Hmmm... not quite sure which branch of thinking to follow from here. Maybe that the defenses don't get rebuilt any time soon, because Ranma isn't willing to pay the price and the Senshi not being awake for them coming down, not realizing immediately that they need to be there to protect them...?


That's one possibility... that would make the overarching plotline centered on Ranma's acceptance of his past self. Could be a good psychological plot, if you do it right.

I was thinking of perhaps maintaining the outsider status for awhile, perhaps to create confusion on the front of who is the princess and why she always vanishes after defeating enemies. Their memories are rather Swiss cheese early on, well even later on they still seem to be recalling things from the past... Her being out of the picture for awhile would probably help to reinforce difficulties of recalling her as well.

Though on the long term it would probably be a story of Serenity trying to get closer to her big sister again, well assuming she saw all that much of her previously. Hmm, maybe it would be more practical if she hadn't.


*Nods*

Per my currently running idea on that, it would actually be the enemies that brought Metallia to the Solar System. If I remember correctly Metallia in the anime developed for awhile in the Sun, did it not?

So I guess that would probably make it the same enemies that develop Chaos then or Pharaoh 90, atleast it would be easier to assume that magical super weapons of the apocalyptic kind were all made by the same kind of people. The people who wanted to break the power of the Silver Millennium.


Possibly. Are they actually gonna show up, or is gonna be a more 'the Forces Of Darkness (tm)' kind of thing?

I'd suggest, if you do use them, make it a state that actually has reasons to do what they're doing, rather than 'well... I'm evil, lol'.

And yes, I think Metallia was originally supposed to have come from the sun. (Hm... now there's got to be a Sailor Sun idea in that...)
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Re: Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Shanami » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:47 am

Forget where I heard it, might have been a fic, might have come from some SM source, but I'm pretty sure that I can confirm Metallia as having some sort of Solar origin. And, if you consider the mythological basis for a lot of what happens in the anime, it makes sense that a solar being would oppose a lunar society.

An interesting consideration is that if Ranma is the reborn "older sister" of Serenity, if she is magically active, that actually makes Ranma the primary candidate to be the Moon Queen. It would be an interesting twist and a decent plot device to have the senshi discover Ranma when they search for the Moon Princess (before they realize that Usagi is the princess) and that would allow them to interact.
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Re: Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Quickshot0 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:15 pm

Possibly. Are they actually gonna show up, or is gonna be a more 'the Forces Of Darkness (tm)' kind of thing?

I'd suggest, if you do use them, make it a state that actually has reasons to do what they're doing, rather than 'well... I'm evil, lol'.

And yes, I think Metallia was originally supposed to have come from the sun. (Hm... now there's got to be a Sailor Sun idea in that...)


Nah, no darkness or evil for me, just their own views on how things should be run I guess. Which means the most likely candidate to see them show up with, would be Galaxia. Especially considering she's out for galactic domination, as well as that she uses the same kind of energies and methods, as the other enemies I would have attributed to them. It would seem overly complicated to have yet another plot behind that...well unless she short changed them as well and is using their resources for her own ends... well if any one has a better idea, I'm all ears though. :)

Also the Sailor Sun comment reminds me that it would be highly likely, that if one princess of the Realm was a senshi, that the other would be as well... Except there aren't any major planets to choose from any more, admittedly you could aim for one of the big rocks beyond Pluto, but that just doesn't have the same kind of ring to it. Maybe her being a defender of the entire Solar System would make more sense then? That way she'd typically operate more with the Outers as well.


An interesting consideration is that if Ranma is the reborn "older sister" of Serenity, if she is magically active, that actually makes Ranma the primary candidate to be the Moon Queen. It would be an interesting twist and a decent plot device to have the senshi discover Ranma when they search for the Moon Princess (before they realize that Usagi is the princess) and that would allow them to interact.


True, the dynastic succession would potentially be changed by this, so even after they find Serenity doubts would remains. Of course with her being in denial, yet more confusion would be sown.
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Re: Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Pale Wolf » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:04 am

Nah, no darkness or evil for me, just their own views on how things should be run I guess. Which means the most likely candidate to see them show up with, would be Galaxia. Especially considering she's out for galactic domination, as well as that she uses the same kind of energies and methods, as the other enemies I would have attributed to them. It would seem overly complicated to have yet another plot behind that...well unless she short changed them as well and is using their resources for her own ends... well if any one has a better idea, I'm all ears though.


Hm... just tossing out ideas here, but... Are you having Galaxia as another part of the same empire (considering all the senshi floating about in Stars...), or something else? If she was part of the same group as the Senshi, well... Galaxia herself has no objectives, it's Chaos. So she could've just been a soldier for Serenity's empire who got hijacked by Chaos - which, as you've established, works for the kingdom's enemies. She could be a remote under their control. Or Chaos could be going kinda rogue, which may allow an interesting bit with the antagonists working on shutting it down, and then going right back to shooting at the senshi.

You could have the enemies be rebels who opposed unification (which you'd have to be careful with, since that makes the Moon Kingdom the aggressors, and makes your antagonists seem more 'good' than the protagonists - fine if you want it, otherwise best to avoid the implication).

But in general, you need to work out exactly what their objectives are. And why it's important enough to wage war over for over ten thousand years after their enemies are dead - if they just have different ideas on how things should be run, there needs to be a reason that it struck them as important enough to wage interstellar war over, and why they haven't started doing it in the ten thousand years they've had.

Also the Sailor Sun comment reminds me that it would be highly likely, that if one princess of the Realm was a senshi, that the other would be as well... Except there aren't any major planets to choose from any more, admittedly you could aim for one of the big rocks beyond Pluto, but that just doesn't have the same kind of ring to it. Maybe her being a defender of the entire Solar System would make more sense then? That way she'd typically operate more with the Outers as well.


Have her be Sailor Moon. We already have two, what's a third? She's just Serenity's predecessor.
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Re: Ranma/Sailormoon ,Ranma is a reborn princess

Postby Shanami » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:28 am

There's nothing in canon (to my knowledge) that says that multiple people can't be bound to the same source. After all, the Starlights and their Princess all come from the same planet, and all have a Star Seed.
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