Tenchi Muyo OVA 3. An ageless debate ... Well sorta.

[Spokavriel]

Continued from Questions that vids in Favorite YouTube Videos Page22 brought up.

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Ah that explains it. But it still does nothing for the now 2 painful plot holes related to age in OVA 3. Tenchi's Sister being 80 look at his father who didn't know of the existence of alien life and tell me he's well into his 90's to make that fit with him as a teenage parent?

And now there's Kiyone dieing at only a couple hundred years old of old age while her mother barely looks over 30 and hasn't had any signs of a similar fate. Her father is clearly over 1,000.

The sister one is enough I always have trouble enjoying watching the third OVA.

Then again I probably should have made a thread in the Series Discussion Other threads for that.

Actually, Nobuyuki -- Tenchi's father -- is in his 200's as well. He's a descendant of Yosho's. The likely scenario was that he was pretending to know nothing about aliens, much like how Yosho/Katsuhito pretended to be an ordinary shrine priest.

Ordinary Juraians actually have a life-span almost similar to humans, and people can have their life-span extended by undergoing Body Enhancement and other various things accompanied by the use of technology. Yosho/Katsuhito has stated that the only thing sustaining his life is his tree ship, Funaho. If Funaho were to die or something, then he likely wouldn't have long to live.


Edit: Yeah, maybe another thread would be better. XD

So you're saying she died because she didn't have a tree connection or the GP Enhancements? It still doesn't make sense to me.

And how many generations is there and what series arc has the connection between Yosho and Nobiyuki?

[KonokoHasano]

Nobuyuki is a distant descendant of Yosho's, and he's had the Body Enhancement training. In a way, it is kind of strange how the aging process works.

http://www.astronerdboy.com/tenchi/
^This, however, is the Tenchi Muyo FAQ. It contains information on the Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki continuality. The information comes from the anime series, the Shin (True) Tenchi Novels, Doujinshi created by Kajishima -- the creator of Tenchi Muyo -- and from interviews as well.

What is the average lifespan of a Juraian?


A member of the Royal Family can live thousands of years. With Washu's technology, this can be much higher. For example: Misaki and Tenchi will still be around for hundreds of thousands of years. A normal Juraian has the same lifespan as a human, though the superior medical technology ensures a healthy and long life. Naturally, life extensions and body reinforcement will prolong this and is available to members of Jurai's military as well as those that attend the Galaxy Academy, particularly the Galaxy Police Academy.

Long lifespans is not that uncommon in the galaxy, but it depends upon the race's technology level and the individual's power and wealth. Living over 10,000 years is not impossible for someone with the means to get the necessary treatments.

Do Juraians need the waters of life for their longevity or is it innate?

The waters of life are used to heal injuries when advanced medical technology is not available. The actual source of longevity comes from life-extension coupled with body reinforcement (which makes life-extension permanent/multiplies their effect).

[Spokavriel]

So the father is not only in the know but has had enhancement? I'd really like to know where that came in without having to read that entire site. It's not exactly categorized or gifted with comprehensive navigation.

[KonokoHasano]

Honestly, I'd have to agree that OVA 3 has issues with not explaining certain things thoroughly.

Such as... Why did Kiyone get the short end of the stick and die at the age she did? When you think about it, it really doesn't make sense at all.

Funaho is AT LEAST 800-years-old, with Yosho/Katsuhito being at least 700. Airi, Yosho's wife, is at least 700 as well. Then there's all the other long-lived characters. With all that, Kiyone dies of OLD AGE at the age of 284?

I honestly tried figuring that out, but couldn't

Hell, Azusa Masaki Jurai is over 10,000 years old. The same with Seto Kamiki Jurai.

Washu is actually around 100 million-years-old instead of the 20,000 years that her 3rd dimensional body is. >,> Then again, she IS a goddess...

Frack, Tenchi will supposedly live for hundreds of thousands of years due to the 'power' he has. Then again -- again -- he is the being that will supposedly become a higher entity than the three goddesses themselves.

[Spokavriel]

That's why that became part of the debate. It just doesn't seem to make sense.

Just like Nobuyuki being older than 30 can only be supported by his appearance being similar to Yosho's disguise. Not even a similarity to any non disguised relatives in the series. The genetic relation argument also seems off because to look how he does he'd have to be disguised and well it just opens an ocean of inconsistencies if that's the case.

[Seraph]

For some of the long lived characters, it becauses they have bonded with a Juraian Tree which will greatly lengthen their life spans. This explains how Funaho, Minaho(Yosho & Airi's first child) live so long. In the case of Yosho, it is mentioned in episode 13 that tree that take root normally lose their power and Ryoko's gem(which have Washu's powers as a goddess) are what supplying Funaho ki with power.

In the case of Nobunyuki, it only be guessed that its because he is 70-80 years younger then Kiyone for why he still doing fine.

[Spokavriel]

I guess that's the best possibility. It would have been better though if they hadn't used such flimsy rationale.

[KonokoHasano]

Just like Nobuyuki being older than 30 can only be supported by his appearance being similar to Yosho's disguise. Not even a similarity to any non disguised relatives in the series. The genetic relation argument also seems off because to look how he does he'd have to be disguised and well it just opens an ocean of inconsistencies if that's the case.

I'm not sure if it was because of a trick of the style or anything, but in episode 20, Nobuyuki does look freakishly younger than he usually does when he's marrying Rea. It's possibly that he does always use a disguise.

And I can't remember if it was mentioned in the Youtube video thread or not, but after seeing the early episodes, it doesn't seem as if Nobuyuki was shocked about the idea of alien life at all.

In fact, the only time he seemed shocked was when Ayeka first arrived in her ship. He was peeking into Tenchi's room with a video recorder -- since Tenchi and Ryoko were in the room -- and only seemed freaked because of the sudden appearance of Ryu-oh from out of nowhere. He didn't get to have much of a reaction due to Ryoko poppout out of the room and sending him crashing down to the ground.

[Spokavriel]

After being shrank abducted and restored it's kinda hard to maintain any shock. Still not certain if he was scared off the ladder by the ship or Ryouko popping out of the wall.

Oh I found the ova3 7th ep on demonoid and am DLing it now so I can watch it without that thing flashing in center screen.

[Spokavriel]

This is kinda related so I'm adding another post to this thread for it.

About half a year before dieing Kiyone fell off a mountain collecting herbs
Two weeks after the mountain she was hit by a truck.
It took 2 months to heal from the truck.
6 months after recovering she carried boar in summer,
even later in winter she died...

Anyone else see a problem with the times in this script? Or did I just get a copy of the episode with bad subtitles? This is in addition to her dieing "Of old age" You'd think that with everyone else in her family having so much longer life spans including her husband if you go with when her daughter was supposedly born someone would have convinced her to get enhancement or join with a tree. Anything else would seem more like they wanted her to die early for their family.

[camk4evr]

Funaho is AT LEAST 800-years-old, with Yosho/Katsuhito being at least 700. Airi, Yosho's wife, is at least 700 as well. Then there's all the other long-lived characters. With all that, Kiyone dies of OLD AGE at the age of 284?

Actually, this is the first time of heard of Kiyone dieing of old age. Can you point out a link to where you first saw that?

[Drawde]

Kiyone had no connection to the Juraian trees, so no extended life there. She lived almost 300 years, so she probably had some form of life extension. She lived on earth, so not much higher technology at ready access. She died of old age, and to live even longer, she would have needed more than what she had. With what she did have, she managed to have a child much past the norm, and quite close to her body finally failing.

[Spokavriel]

I hate the text that keeps popping up in the middle of the vid but it's included in this clip. I found the whole episode vid to DL on demonoid but I can't find that link again at the moment.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

[color=#bd527b]This is kinda related so I'm adding another post to this thread for it.

About half a year before dieing Kiyone fell off a mountain collecting herbs
Two weeks after the mountain she was hit by a truck.
It took 2 months to heal from the truck.
6 months after recovering she carried boar in summer,
even later in winter she died...

Anyone else see a problem with the times in this script?color]

Just to comment, I think you might have gotten a bad fansub; basically, all of that disaster stuff was a bad gag that Kiyone scripted up while she was dying and told Nobuyuki and Katsuhito to tell Tenchi when his sister return. The male Masakis didn't think very highly of it, but they did as she asked. Tenchi was not happy about it, to put it mildly.

[Nekomata-sensei]

While it was a gag, it seemed implied it actually happened, just that she was using it for the script when it was unnecessary incidents to put scares into Tenchi. Kiyone's life-span is about average, for a non-enhanced Juraian, who have superior natural physiology to humans. From my guesses an enhanced one (enhancement process like Seina went through in GXP, after which he had to train to get used to super strength and speed) would live about 2-8 times as long, and those with a tree bond with a healthy space-tree are functionally immortal. Katsuhito probably would have died or gotten really old during his time of earth due to Funaho taking root in Earth's soil, but the Tenchi-ken used energy from Washuu's gems to make up for this, channeled through Funaho.