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Postby Spokavriel » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:46 pm

So you would absolutely hate Mickey Mouse in Nerima? Actual character not someone costumed.
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Postby Not-Going-to-Tell » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:17 pm

As I said, without reasonable modifications, it just doesn't work out well. If one just drops Mickey off in Nerima to laugh and try to make peace through between the members of NWC, it's probably a case of 'square peg, round hole'.

Now if, say, Nabiki had a correspondance with or idolized Scrooge Mc.Duck, or if Mousse were to end up Daffy style when in cursed form, this could be an interesting fic, if only for humour, to read.

The crosses that bug me are the ones with a reasoning chain similar to this:
"Card Captor Sakura needs something..."
"Dude, Naruto Ninjas!"
"Dude, awesome! But we should throw in Goku too!"
"This is the best thing ever!But where's the cards in all this?"
"Who cares, it's awesome?"

Alternately, someone sending Ranma to America so he can join the power rangers, while the original sentai team are from Japan just hits a nerve.

I also remember a fic that threw Ranma into red ranger status in the Wild Force season of sentai, crossed it with Sailor Moon, and decided to kill Usagi's family before the first chapter. Add a dash of EXTREMELY contrived plot device, review for ten seconds, skip Beta reading and serve with as many grammerical errors as possible. Good for five reviews of encouragement.
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Postby Vilkath » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:06 pm

Bad cross overs are well obviously bad, but you also have to hate those decently written xovers that do nothing new. Have Ranma show up in the Tenchi universe and just replace Tenchi, or hang around the shrine but never do anything important because it might disrupt the canon plot.

Worse case of this is almost always Naruto/HP stories where Naruto and half of Konoha turn up at hogwarts, but acomplish nothing of merit and canon events happen just like always with some minor twist like Naruto saying something stupid at key moments.

I also have to say I hate most amensia fics, I mean if Ranma looses his memories, his name and his personalty and turns up in some new dimension exactly how is this Ranma any more? Sure some of them are okay, but over all it's a cheap ploy to change a canon character into what the author wants without putting the effort into doing it gradualy and giving good reasons for the change.
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Postby Alathon » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:43 pm

Not-Going-to-Tell wrote:Honestly, certain fics are well done, but others just seem to be an idiot trying to jam two incompatable series together without a change that makes it plausible. Putting a Sayin in Hogwarts or Kohana for no real reason, for example.


I dunno, I think a Saiyan and the Naruto universe could be compatible for more than enough time for Vegeta to blow up their planet, make statements questioning their collective sexuality, and fly off to do something else.

....that said, yeah, I agree totally. It's possible to do smashingly good crosses when very different series are crossed but that's never what happens. 95% of the time much of what made one of the sets of characters relevant and interesting is stripped out in favor of the other series' background, problems, enemies, and universe in general. Which leaves these new immigrant characters in the position of having to establish relevance by either hooking up en masse with the locals (sigh..) or beating the shit out of the local bad guys (sigh...). And that's just assuming that the author is at least trying to be evenhanded and not having one set of characters utterly and completely dominate another.. which, while it can work, usually takes the form of one of the casts being proven to be a bunch of stupid-heads except for the hot chicks.
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Postby Cheb » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:32 pm

I hate fics where Ranma suddenly decides "he had enough", "his life is a living hell" and leaves his clan / goes away. These also usually have the "deredere" half of Akane's tsundere personality mysteriously amputated. :x

I also hate fics where authors copy their own reality (usually American one) without troubling themselves with learning the cultural environment (even the cartoonish anime version of it). While I'll always forgive Rebecca Heineman for slips of this nature, I'm not so willing to forgive the lesser authors. :evil:
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Postby Atlan » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:38 am

I have been pondering this pet peeve of mine for a while, but I couldnt figure out what to call it. I started calling it the 'Generations-peeve', moved on to calling it the 'Friend-incest peeve-, but now I know what to call it.

The 'Deathly-Hallow's Peeve'

That is to say, the epilogue of the final Harry Potter book, where they all lived happily ever after.

I HATEHATEHATE fics where everyone marries everyone, they all stay in the same area for the next 20 years, they all are still friends, and after 20 years the only friends they have are each other.
Then, they all have kids the SAME AGE and with the SAME PERSONALITES as their perants!!!!! They all grow up togther, are all good friends/hated enimies- then they all start dating each other.
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Postby Vilkath » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:42 am

I have to agree that is pretty anoying in most next generation fics, some times happens in naruto, few times in Ranma 1/2 but most common in HP stories right now far as I can tell. Bad enough that most the kids are named after people that Tormented harry's life but why in heck are they always friends with the kids of their parents friends, not to mention if they grew up all their life with these kids their nearly siblings having spent so much time together but they suddenly start to fall in love in their first year of hogwarts.

Even worst is the next generation yaoi fics, the son of harry and the son of Draco carry on a forbiden love their fathers always had at age eleven... yeah right.
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Postby CJN » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:04 am

I dislike nearly all next generations fics. If I'm reading a fic set in a certain universe, then I want to read about the main characters, not their brats Mary and Sue.

I find reading about kids of main characters only acceptable if they're part of a longer saga, where we saw the main cast grow up and have those kids, like the Star Wars EU.
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Postby Spokavriel » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:09 am

I'm still not sold on Anakin Solo's technological alignment to his force abilities.

But just the mention of Next Generation has me shuddering thinking of all those Star Trek Porn fics. You think Harry Potter slash is bad you should see them pairing up Piccard and Kirk in the Nexus before coming out to deal with the problem in Generations. Or using the excuse of once in the nexus forever there. If that doesn't give enough reason to hate it I'd rather not subject you to the clearer reasons.
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Postby al103 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:44 pm

What fic i hate? The only fics i passionately hate are fics with stupid writing mistakes:

1. Overuse of japanese/russian/chinese/spanish/french words where they are not needed. Sometimes that only one world, but it's one world too many. The most hated type is "world (translation)". Use glossary, damn it! It's not gives most important thing about foreign worlds - flawor. More so it's ruins it. But even use everyday worlds like "thank you" is unneeded and do not gives that flawor what author wanted... Most strange thing in that is japanese name order is near always changed in subs and fics and japanese honorfics are underused though better than name order... When they are needed much more than japanese common words and give much more flawor.

2. X is part of Y. Most common narutoverse is part of Japan. I'm hate it, Hate It, HATE IT! Because it's stupid. Use portals people, damn it!

3. "All people speak english/japanese/etc". I dropped many nBSG crossovers in first sight of "they speak english" and many Naruto crossovers because of "they speak japanese" without explanation (in nBSG case it can NOT be explained). Spells, "universal translators", "rules of dimensional travel" are very good for suspension of disvelieve though... Good case for proper use "it's magic" rule. Jast name that "it's magic" or note it pre fic like in many SG fics.

4. Sudden OOC. Most yaoi/yuri fics go in this category... and not because of yaoi/yuri themselves. And at least half of other shipping fics. Character bashing usually too... damn, stupid characterbashers made me sympathize with more than one character that i other time don't like or even hate.

there are others type of fanfics i hate, but it's same type of hate from the mostly same reasons (and for mostly same authors).
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Postby CJN » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:48 am

al103 wrote:2. X is part of Y. Most common narutoverse is part of Japan. I'm hate it, Hate It, HATE IT! Because it's stupid. Use portals people, damn it!


I agree. I have seen too many fics that makes Buffy and Anita Blake natives of the same planet. That doesn't work at all.
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Postby al103 » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:11 am

CJN wrote:I agree. I have seen too many fics that makes Buffy and Anita Blake natives of the same planet. That doesn't work at all.


It's other case. Basic world for both is our Earth. It's other factors that makes them noncomparatible on the same world... though crossover with parts not fitted to each other with care is also bad thing... i don't hate it though as it's part "X is Y" but generally don't read it anyway. It's really a degree of changes - Negima can be on exactly the same world as BTvS - just explain some things how different shinso and how somebody keeps major magic societies from America and it's fit; Blade need minor corrections and Anita Blake major corrections of enormous size... and Narutoverse can be part of our world in one and only case that it's future after some catastrophe.
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Postby Uldihaa » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:21 pm

Here's one, that ties into one mentioned earlier (the 'too-many-plot-devices' peeve). I just started reading an Independent!Harry story, and it was fairly good. However, the author apparently suffers from ADD, because every few chapters he introduces yet another idea. Smart/Independent!Harry becomes Smart/Independent/Knows-everything-Voldie-did!Harry. I gave up when it added Non-Human!Harry on top of everything else.

I just wish fanfic writers would do what most movie directors do i.e. sit down and look at what they have and toss the stuff that distracts and interupts the flow of the story. The more you add, the more that has to be explained and explored. It eventually gets to the point that both writer and reader are wandering off on tangents.
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Postby Southern Cross » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:35 pm

This was a problem back when John Nathan Turner was running Doctor Who into the ground,so even professional writers and editors often have the same problems as amateurs.
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Postby Vilkath » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:27 pm

Uldihaa wrote:Here's one, that ties into one mentioned earlier (the 'too-many-plot-devices' peeve). I just started reading an Independent!Harry story, and it was fairly good. However, the author apparently suffers from ADD, because every few chapters he introduces yet another idea. Smart/Independent!Harry becomes Smart/Independent/Knows-everything-Voldie-did!Harry. I gave up when it added Non-Human!Harry on top of everything else.


Kind reminds me of Perfect Lionhearts Partialy Kissed hero story, if it wasn't the exact one you were talking about. Almost all his stories suffer from that problem, complete lack of focus. I still like most of his work though becasue while the idea's are random, and the plot never seems to get any where all his in story rants seem to point out problems and plot holes I can really agree with.
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