Shampoo vs Akane

[claymade]

Not a better teacher per se, just more willing to go through training that forces the person to improve damn fast or die, and a student who learns at a higher rate.

The problem is that even the rates are dramatically different--in Cologne's favor. Training briefly with her gives both Ranma and Ryouga one of the single biggest power-jumps that they get in the whole manga. The obvious implication is that, even taking methods into account, she's a far better teacher than Genma--which in turn implies that Shampoo isn't really taking advantage of that.

And even if you did assume the existence of (hypothetical) skill limits, stuff like the Bakusai Tenketsu shouldn't fall under that. Even if she couldn't learn the minor benefit of the shatter touch, the main benefit is the insane levels of damage-absorption you get from the conditioning exercises--which she shows no sign of.

Every single time Ranma learned a style he learned it incredibly fast, so fast it surprised everyone (Genma surprised learned Umisenken comments on only showing it to him once, Cologne surprised at speed learned Hiryu Shoten Ha, etc...)

Yes, he's a surprisingly good fighter. But it would be quite an overstatement to go from that and say that he's a "blatantly inhuman" fighter--inhuman in the context of their world, that is.

If you look at the supposed reaction of Cologne to his learning the HSH, it's more pride than surprise. "Ah, what a fighter!" is her exact quote. That in no way implies that he's a radical departure from their world's fighters, just that he's a very notable example of one.

Ranma is definitely toward the higher end of their world's bell-curve--but he's also definitely on that bell curve. Not an outlier.

I don't believe that I am. He learned the Umisenken after seeing it only once and if you look at page 63 and 64 of that book all those training that we see at the top of the page 107 were done on the same day as Genma showing Ranma the Umisenken (page numbering was from online scans could go check original japanese or viz version if you want I've got them as well).He definitely learned it from seeing it once even if you don't think he learned them in one night which I do that would only be to perfect them not learn them.

He eventually grasped the basic principle of the Umisenken after seeing it once. That's like intellectually grasping that Aikido is based on the redirection of force. Actually putting it into practice is an entirely different story, and it did require all the training he did. Else, why would he do it?

Recall even up 'till a day before the fight, he was still slipping up to the point where even Akane could sense him.

[antimatterenergy]

Even if she couldn't learn the minor benefit of the shatter touch, the main benefit is the insane levels of damage-absorption you get from the conditioning exercises--which she shows no sign of.

For her it's actually the opposite we see her do the shattering touch but as far as we know she doesn't have the toughness. It's possible she was just vain and didn't want to chance damaging her looks. We really don't know her limits and what techniques she knows.

Yes, he's a surprisingly good fighter. But it would be quite an overstatement to go from that and say that he's a "blatantly inhuman" fighter--inhuman in the context of their world, that is.

Ok it was an exaggeration, there are real life 10 year olds who can do things like calculus so it's not inhuman. My point was not that he's so much greater than everyone only that he learns extremely fast and Shampoo may or may not.

He eventually grasped the basic principle of the Umisenken after seeing it once. That's like intellectually grasping that Aikido is based on the redirection of force. Actually putting it into practice is an entirely different story, and it did require all the training he did. Else, why would he do it?

He did more than grasp the principal he did afterall know enough to actually use it both in practice and in combat which is above just grasping the basic principal. For instance, I could watch Judo and understand the basics of how it is done but I wouldn't be able to put them in practice even for just practice without more training (He did do most of them perfectly in practice as well if you recall).

Training makes perfect. Even if you can duplicate it on the first try, you should still practice. Not practicing when you have a chance to would be extremely stupid using an untested technique in serious combat when you have time to practice would be extremely stupid. Anyways I was saying that he learned the style after seeing them once not perfected them. Even if he had learned the style at once then spent a week perfecting them (which I do not see it looks like one day to me) my saying he knows hundreds of styles still would fit (more than 10 years, 1 style every two weeks= around 240 styles).

Recall even up 'till a day before the fight, he was still slipping up to the point where even Akane could sense him.

Way I see it that day was the same day he learned the techniques. It wasn't several days later. The way I view it and if you look at the pages in question listed in a previous post it could have been the same day. My view of it is Genma shows Ranma techniques, Ranma practices rest of day, bothers Akane at night, next day fights Ryu.

[Seed00]

How did this degrade from Shampoo vs Akane to Akane in battle dogi vs Ranma?

[Southern Cross]

Because,while wearing the battle dogi,Akane could easily defeat Ranma.Since Ranma can beat most of the martial artists in the series (especially Shampoo) and the dogi was described as drawing out the full battle potential of the wearer,then Akane's full battle potential is clearly much higher than Shampoo's.

[bissek]

This assumes Shampoo has reached her full potential. Potential and actual ability aren't the same thing. What you proved was that the best Akane can possibly be is better than Shampoo is now, not that the best Akane can possibly be is better than the best that Shampoo can possibly be.

[antimatterenergy]

dogi was described as drawing out the full battle potential of the wearer,then Akane's full battle potential is clearly much higher than Shampoo's.

Except Ranma was limiting himself, the dogi was capable of beating Ranma while Akane was not in it, and Akane said it was the dogi's skill not hers. Also even if it does show Akane's true potential that no way proves it is higher than Shampoo's since Shampoo never wore it and we have no way of determining Shampoo's full potential (heck we don't even know all the tricks she could have already).