Ranma/Akane's Marriage: how long do you think it would last?

[Dumbledork]

If Rumiko wrote it, and I suppose she would.

They'd live happily ever after.

Im always baffled when people point out how abusive Akane is and than try and turn physical comedy into abusive relationship.

You cant turn it around. Its meant to provoke laughter.

Otherwise they are all scum. Every single character has commited a violent act against another which is meant to provoke laughter.

Ya know that arc with the phoneix on Kuno's head. Ranma beamed a merchant with a mailbox when he was trying to leave. Why thats assault! He should go to jail! He can only solve his problems with violence!

No its a gag. Please stop treating it as anything else.

I was going to go further but I see Evzir has already hit most of points I hit and the ones I was going to.

I agree. If Takashi wrote it there would be a happy end. And yes, the original story is slapstick. But if you llok at the Ranma fanfiction community, very few of the fics are slapstick, and things that are okay in a slapstick story are not in a serious story.

I noticed that the first Ranma fics were mainly slapstick (when I look at acrchives, I only started reding Ranma fics in september 2005 I think) and that the genre slowly died out.

[Necavit]

Oh I agree Ranma should kill that merchant. Think of all the people you assume hes hurt...

But why stop there?

Ranma should kill Akane, its only a matter of time before she kills someone with her rage.

He should kill Shampoo, she tried to kill him at the start!

He should kill Mousse, hes often used lethal force in fights.

He should kill Ryoga! Dont need to explain that one do I.

Ok you get the picture.

If they dont take it seriously, you dont take it seriously. No one calls the cops, no one freaks out. Cause its meant to be funny. When you watch the three stooges do you go "Holy crap Moe is killing Larry!" No you laugh.

Yes Ranma 1/2 had many aspects of Drama but Rumiko keeps them very seperated. In the final Arc, it is a matter of life and death and she makes it very very clear.

Threatend them with death? Are you seriously using this as an example. If she is so bloody dangerous than why does everyone mock her food anyway. I mean Nabiki mocks it outright. Akane might kill her for that she should be careful.

Dont know why ya think Akane takes great pleasure out of hitting him? Cause theres just as much evidence there, as there is that Ranma gets great pleasure being hit. I mean he should be able to dodge her right....

End rant.

On to the other post.

I'm acutally quite fond of serious Ranma fanfics. Its always interesting to place the Ranma world in a serious one. I just get annoyed when people try to maniuplate the cannon and make Akane look liks some kind of sadistic bitch in the cannon.

[Uldihaa]

I went with 'Months at most', simply because neither of the two are ready for marriage at the end of the series. I think that they would be ready eventually, if they continued with the positive growth; but that growth would be pure speculation on my part.

Neither of them can even tell the other how they feel when they're face to face (and both awake-and-aware). Until both can do so, they aren't ready for a life-long commitment.

[TerraEpon]

The thing about "it's just slapstick" ignores the fact that the anger itself is still there. She jumps to conclusions and always sees only what she wants to believe -- this is unrelated to how she handles those feelings. THAT'S why many people don't believe the marriage could work.
Ranma's of course no saint himself, and would very likely ignore any partner's needs if even marginally challenged or whatever else. And of course he insults people as a matter of course - it's not just Akane, but everyone. It's pretty much ingrained into him as a way of dealing with life.

No matter what Takahashi says, the way those two are portrayed, they really simply could never get along well for too long, no matter what their romantic feelings are.

[Zwzn]

Oh I agree Ranma should kill that merchant. Think of all the people you assume hes hurt...

But why stop there?

One needs to actually look at the characters.

Ranma should kill Akane, its only a matter of time before she kills someone with her rage.

The only person she really misstreats is Ranma

He should kill Shampoo, she tried to kill him at the start!

He should kill Mousse, hes often used lethal force in fights.

He could easily get away with it as self deffence. They are rather cold blooded.

He should kill Ryoga! Dont need to explain that one do I.

Doing one stupid thing does not make one a monster.

Ok you get the picture.

Yes, you don't understand my point, or don't want to admit Akane really does misstreat Ranma.

If they dont take it seriously, you dont take it seriously. No one calls the cops, no one freaks out. Cause its meant to be funny. When you watch the three stooges do you go "Holy crap Moe is killing Larry!" No you laugh.

Actually I don't laugh at the three Stooges, but not for the reasons you likely would assume. I just don't find them funny.

Their slapstick is drasticly different from what we see in Ranma 1/2. You are comparing strawberries to cherries.

Yes Ranma 1/2 had many aspects of Drama but Rumiko keeps them very seperated. In the final Arc, it is a matter of life and death and she makes it very very clear.

No she does not.

Threatend them with death? Are you seriously using this as an example. If she is so bloody dangerous than why does everyone mock her food anyway. I mean Nabiki mocks it outright. Akane might kill her for that she should be careful.

Genma and Ranma took her seriously, and again Ranma is really the only one she treats like crap.

Dont know why ya think Akane takes great pleasure out of hitting him? Cause theres just as much evidence there, as there is that Ranma gets great pleasure being hit. I mean he should be able to dodge her right.....

She beat the crap out of Ranma every time she gets a chance, and has a happy face on. She is only unhappy when she can't hit him.

Ranma clearly lets her hit him at times, but it is clear he does not like it. Akane often sucker punches him.

End rant.

Just because many witnesses are apathetic morons does not mean Akane does not do the things I stated she does. Akane does threaten Ranma's life, knock him out, put him in a full body cast, and often appears to enjoy beating Ranma.

[Necavit]

Actually you missed my point. And helped prove it.

You say neither of those people deserve death because with a little investigation into their character we can see they dont deserve it.

But you quickly forgive Ranma for his actions against the merchant and declare he deserves death. Lets be honest your just trying to ignore Ranma's scummmy move. So Ill throw another one at ya.

In the arc where Ranma stepped on the guys head and it left a footprint and he fell in love with him. He left that footprint by jumping on his head and STEALING! his food. Why thats against the law!

I understand your point very well, I am well aware that Akane is no saint, but what undercuts your argument is that you treat Ranma as a complete innoncent.

Now Ill be the first to admit I dont watch anime, but isnt it a normal thing for a girl to hit a guy in a relationship? (in anime) Ranma cant hit Akane, no one would find that funny. So hes verbally abusive. Funny how you left that out.

I see no evidence that Ranma and Genma took Akane seriously. Its looks like nothing more than a gag here. Either could take Akane in their sleep, why would they be afaid except to further the joke?

Find me some evidence of her beating the crap out of Ranma with a smile on her face.

Also your reply with "no she does not" for seperation of comedy and drama. Thats not a very good argument. If I could simply say no your wrong, I would save loads of time here.

Isnt the body cast anime? And wasnt it Ryoga and Kuno that put him in the cast... cant remember.

So your argument is that everyone is a apathetic moron and only you are wise enough to truly understand the horror that is happening...

Isnt it possible that they you just take the cartoon a tad to seriously? I dont think the everyone is an apathetic moron and thats why they arnt reacting properly is a feasable argument.

The fact that its not supposed to be take seriously seems more logically.

But this is going to go in circles soon. Im telling you, you cant treat it too seriously or all characters go to hell. And your trying to use exactly what isnt serious to prove your point.

Onto Terra.

Oh I agree that they have problems, Im just annoyed when people make it seem like Akane is the devil and Ranma is the helpless saint.

Yea she jumps to conclusions. But hey if I walked into a room and saw a guy with his hands on the teachers chest. Yelling give it up. Id think the same thing.

[lwf58]

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Both Necavit and Zwzn are getting critical of each other, and while no direct insults have been written just yet, I can see them coming.

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[toushin]

the fact of the matter the two are completely unsuited for each other akane is abusive and spoiled and seriously needs to grow up

while ranma needs domeone who will help him grow as a person, lets face it pain is something ranma has had to go through all his life so it doesn't effect him as much as it does others. plus though he may seem self centered the fact that he has stayed with genma all these years shows he has alot of dependence on others to keep him sane. the reason ranma stays with akane is that she is probably the first person to show him kindness in along time. i really think the same would hold true if it was nabiki or kasumi that offered him friendship. he mearly wants to experience that moment again.

read a tale of two wallets to get a better idea of what im trying to say.

ranma and akane are a horrible couple they have to many similarities and not enough differences to compliment each other. plus no one is willing to help them only shove them together or drive them apart. if genma and soun stopped trying to use them they might see this

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

I'd say for the rest of their life.

Either because they finally see that they were young and stupid and couldn't see how much they liked each other, or because of their sense of duty and tradition.

It will either end up as a loving marriage or they will end like Genma and Nodoka, polite to each other, but both of them doing their own thing and the only connection between them their children.

In both cases they won't divorce.

[LadyRelena]

If Ranma and Akane are smart they'll never get married. Nether one of them are really compatible with one another, and since this is Ranma and Akane were talking about, they'll also never stop fighting over stupid crap. Also I DO NOT see the trust or mutual respect for each other which is necessary for a healthy long term relationship. Sure they get better as the manga progresses but they are STILL fighting with each other even during and after the failed wedding. The fact that they let their pride and embarrassment get in the way of how they feel, shows me that their feelings must not be that strong anyway. Seriously, Akane almost had to die for Ranma to even _think_ the words "I love you." If you can't even say you love a person when you think their dying, that really doesn't say much about your romantic feelings for them. Also, to add insult to injury - when Akane confronts him on the ESP "I love you" thing, Ranma goes and denies it, even when she's standing there ready to marry him. The jig was up! Akane knew he loved her and obviously felt the same way, there was absolutely no reason to go denying it, but he did anyway. I know that this is suppose to be the "recurring joke" that makes their relationship unique and funny, but after watching the same denial and bickering in the span of two years and 38 volumes, it stops being funny and gets to the point of ridiculously stupid. Even for a comedy romance. If they haven't stopped acting like fighting siblings already then they most likely never will. If they stay married, it certainly wont be a happy one and they'll most likely end up like Nodoka and Genma who pretty much stay away from each other most of the time. And heaven forbid they ever have children. Just what the Ranma verse needs, Ranma and Akane's violent egotistical and quick tempered children running around being ADHD and destroying everything (not to mention they wouldn't be very attractive). It's what I call 'really bad breading'.

[three headed dog]

He did have reasons. Akane has never said she loved Ranma and Ranma did not know why she was willing to marry him (after all her body was possessed in another arc and she had her mind played with before). She had an abrupt, unexplained change from vehemently denying wanting to marry him (volume 37) to suddenly being willing to. Ranma has no idea as to why her abrupt change of heart occurred and he had just woken up from being knocked out and had no real idea as to what the hell was going on. Ranma also does not want to marry her, or anyone else, at that point of time, he even states that at the beginning of volume 37. He also did not say it, he thought it while yelling Akane. So he had every right to deny that he said it because he hadn't said it.

Though personally I don't think Ranma and Akane make that good a match.

[Seed00]

It's amazing how many times we've had this topic

[LadyRelena]

He did have reasons. Akane has never said she loved Ranma

She was standing there in a wedding dress ready to be with him forever. If that doesn't say "I love you" then I don't know what does.

and Ranma did not know why she was willing to marry him (after all her body was possessed in another arc and she had her mind played with before). She had an abrupt, unexplained change from vehemently denying wanting to marry him (volume 37) to suddenly being willing to. Ranma has no idea as to why her abrupt change of heart occurred and he had just woken up from being knocked out and had no real idea as to what the hell was going on.

But Ranma DID ask her why she was going through with it, and she said "Because you love me don't you?" She hadn't even mentioned the incident at Jusenkyo until after he started denying it. Since it was obviously true that he 'did' love her, he should have just said yes and gotten on with it.

Ranma also does not want to marry her, or anyone else, at that point of time, he even states that at the beginning of volume 37.

Sorry but I don't believe half of what Ranma says when he's frustrated and in front of other people, (other then Akane) he says all kinds of things because of pride, ego, or embarrassment in uncomfortable situation.

He also did not say it, he thought it while yelling Akane. So he had every right to deny that he said it because he hadn't said it.

Why should it matter whether he really said it or not? The fact was that it was TRUE. She simply asked whether he loved her or not, and all he had to do was sat YES. Going into denial and arguing about it whether he actually said it or not was stupid and pointless.

[LawOhki]

She was standing there in a wedding dress ready to be with him forever. If that doesn't say "I love you" then I don't know what does.

Indeed, blackmailing him with the cure for the curse was such a loving thing for her to do. She never talks about how much she loves him, it's very much her trying to force him to say that he loves her.

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As much of an ego monster that Ranma is, Akane is just as bad. She takes great joy in having his attention, and several times she rubs it into his face.

But Ranma DID ask her why she was going through with it, and she said "Because you love me don't you?" She hadn't even mentioned the incident at Jusenkyo until after he started denying it. Since it was obviously true that he 'did' love her, he should have just said yes and gotten on with it.

Again, she was black mailing Ranma with Soun to force him to marry her. She knew that the cure was important to him, yet she waited, and tried to force him to say he loved her before telling him about it. Her actions were anything but that of someone who really wanted to get married out of love.

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[three headed dog]

She was standing there in a wedding dress ready to be with him forever. If that doesn't say "I love you" then I don't know what does.

But why was she doing that he has no idea. It also does not mean I love you, since billions of people have married for reasons other than love. For all he knows she's sacrificing herself because he loves her not because she loves him.

That Ranma loves her does not matter, Ranma wants to know if she loves him. If she had said because "I (Akane) love you" he might have gone with it, but she didn't do that she said because you love me.

What does it matter if Ranma said things in front of other people, all evidence points to Ranma not wanting to marry anyone at that point in his life.

Not stupid and pointless if he A. does not want to get married yet, maybe wait a few years, B. did not actually say it, and C. does not know her reasons. She could be mind controlled or possessed and she did an abrupt change from denying it to wanting it without ever telling him that she loves him.