ranma201 wrote:Questions for you guys. If Ryoga was walking around in a mine field (not knowing it was there) and then Ranma comes and knock me into one of the mines, would a reasonable person say that it was my own stupid fault to be in the middle of a mine field? Would a reasonable person say that why the hell is Ranma running around in middle of a minefield himself? Why was Genma?
*I pinch the bridge of my nose*
Well, it wasn't a mine field. At least to the effect that the hidden danger wasn't imminent and deadly. To them, being out in the wilderness is no worse than a hike in a park. But the simple answer is that Genma and Ranma had a reason to be there, so they weren't out of place. And, as far as they understood it, they knew their location. Ryoga, on the other hand, was there with no knowledge of the area at all, but still went in. So, using your analogy and logic, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that Ryoga was at fault? Do you blame the party that "knew" it was a mine field (just not how serious of one it was), and went in having a good idea of what to expect? Or the party that had no idea, blunders in, and becomes an unexpected element in the equation? It's that sort of thing that typically sets the fireworks off.
(I'm not beating the dead horse, lwf58. I'm addressing his argument. I couldn't let it stand unquestioned. But, eh. At least I'm also addressing issues of honor.)
In my opinion it was all of their fault. All of them were out in the middle of no way, either looking for a dangerous place to train or looking for someone that they thought was wronged them. Well guess what, they all found what they were looking for.
You can't blame Genma and Ranma for going there to train. Danger, for them, is to be expected. And they've been doing it since Ranma was very young. It's normal. But you
can blame Ryoga, since I think it's reasonable to say that Ranma wasn't the antagonist that Ryoga made him out to be.
But at the same time he believes it is okay to let another guy sleep in the same bed as his fiancee.
No. Just no. He got upset about it, and tried to do something about it. Having failed that, and looking like the pervert (which he wasn't), he doesn't allow it to continue because he believes it is okay. He just doesn't know how to resolve it. In the meantime, he shows his ire toward Ryoga whenever he gets close to Akane as a pig, and attacks him; either physically, verbally, or both. So I don't think his honor is in question, here.
Even hide as a girl from his mother, just because he is afraid of dying.
Uh... That's rather understandable, and more complicated than an issue of honor. I think it was reasonable for him to decide to stick around to prove his manliness, instead of bowing down to whatever unfortunate circumstances paint him as otherwise. Well, not all of them were unfortunate... But the real issue was his curse. And, in the end, his manliness was exonerated despite it. (In the end it would have been worse, and would have made less sense, if Ranma had been wrongly accused and decided to plea guilty.)
For all of Ryoga faults and mishonors, do I really need to mention them? Also has some honor, for example, when Ranma lost his strength, Ryoga wouldn't attack him (well at least until he got mad).
I think that was more due to pity than honor, no matter how honorable-sounding Ryoga's words were. ^^; He definitely did it for a selfish reason, regardless. That's why he felt sorry for himself, instead of Ranma.
When Ryoga learned the Shi Shi Hokodan, he knocked out Ranma, but then carry him back home.
I think that may have been common courtesy, rather than having anything to do with being honor-bound to do it. Though whether Ryoga is consistent in this regard is another matter, since he rarely has the opportunity to do such a thing. But I think it's safe to say that he's liable to leave Ranma where he is under different circumstances.
Not to mention the other times that he has helped Ranma out.
Before or after he was secretly (or not-so-secretly) planning to do something to Ranma that wasn't nice? XD
In my opinion, Ryoga is a a nice guy, he is just a violent maniac.
Then I guess that Ranma, being both a guy and a girl, should marry them both.
(Sorry, it was a joke that I couldn't pass up. ^^ )
