Cliches & Tropes of Ranma fanon

[Spokavriel]

The Tendo home does have only that one TV. I don't remember seeing them watch the news on it in Manga or Anime. The whole series seems to avoid doing things like that. Even Magazines seem to be rare. Sure Nabiki has Manga but I remember a Travel Guide before the Cave of Lost Love and some Magazine Happosai had in the Girly Girl Gambit. When it's more than background art or noise it's a plot device.

[Dumbledork]

The Tendo home does have only that one TV. I don't remember seeing them watch the news on it in Manga or Anime. The whole series seems to avoid doing things like that. Even Magazines seem to be rare. Sure Nabiki has Manga but I remember a Travel Guide before the Cave of Lost Love and some Magazine Happosai had in the Girly Girl Gambit. When it's more than background art or noise it's a plot device.

Yes, but the senshi are well known, so it would stand to reason to have at least the 'normal' students at Furinkan talk about them.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

The anime does show them watching news (international news at that) at the end of the Possessing Oni OAV, and I think that's what they're watching (they're definately watching something) at the start of the first Ryugenzawa OAV. But, yeah, mostly it's background- Happosai watching a swimsuit contest in the Super Soba episode, or slacking off his morning raid because he's watching lady's gmnastics, that sort of thing.

[Spokavriel]

The plot device times. Just like seeing the Joketsuzoku village on a TV in the Ice Cream Parlor before Shampoo shows up in the alteration from the ice skating rink appearance. Anime Vs Manga. Ryuganzawa was to give Akane the reminder to kick off that whole escapade. The International news was to conclude the plot and show they only achieved passing the buck now someone else has to go at it again. Another thing probably better asked on the Sailor moon board but this is a bit of a cross over question. Do the Senshi even make it on the news? Sure their fights some times take in the whole city if not world but the only time I remember news coverage of any of it was when Jadeite talked to the whole city or the Dark Crystal was spreading and causing blackouts. ((I still haven't read all the Manga))

Edit: Even in those times the Senshi weren't covered even in hazy pictures. Just the Villains obvious actions.

[Dumbledork]

But you have to remember that in fics writers often try to fix plotholes present in the manga/anime and find some plausible 'real life' explanations.

[Zwzn]

The Tendo home does have only that one TV. I don't remember seeing them watch the news on it in Manga or Anime. The whole series seems to avoid doing things like that. Even Magazines seem to be rare. Sure Nabiki has Manga but I remember a Travel Guide before the Cave of Lost Love and some Magazine Happosai had in the Girly Girl Gambit. When it's more than background art or noise it's a plot device.

When Principal Kuno read off the grades in the manga we see the Tendos watching the news on TV.

The plot device times. Just like seeing the Joketsuzoku village on a TV in the Ice Cream Parlor before Shampoo shows up in the alteration from the ice skating rink appearance. Anime Vs Manga. Ryuganzawa was to give Akane the reminder to kick off that whole escapade. The International news was to conclude the plot and show they only achieved passing the buck now someone else has to go at it again. Another thing probably better asked on the Sailor moon board but this is a bit of a cross over question. Do the Senshi even make it on the news? Sure their fights some times take in the whole city if not world but the only time I remember news coverage of any of it was when Jadeite talked to the whole city or the Dark Crystal was spreading and causing blackouts. ((I still haven't read all the Manga))

Edit: Even in those times the Senshi weren't covered even in hazy pictures. Just the Villains obvious actions.

As I recall by season 3 in the ep Chibi-Usa shows up in a boy has Sailor Moon underware. I would say the Sailor Senshi have made a pretty big name for themselves.

The monster attacks are at times rather poorly(as in not at all) hidden. Mimete for example was targeting TV/Movie stars at time when they where shooting movies, and once even attacked a competition to be in a movie.

I would say everyone knows about the monster attacks, and the Sailor Senshi have made a pretty big name for themselves. It really makesa no sense for anyone living in the Sailor Moon Tokyo not to have heard of the Sailor Senshi after season 2, and given the fact we see Ranma seeking out threats, I would think he would have been targeted by the villian, or saved some people.

In the Picolet arc, both Akane and Suon envisioned "Dinner at the Saoteme's" featuring Ranma and Genma grappling over food. Whether or not it happens all the time, it happens a lot/enough for them to think like that.

However we never see this from what I recall, and we know Akane has a phonygraphic memory.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

Uh... Ranma seeking out threats? Since when? While he doesn't hesitate to intervene if he sees somebody getting mugged or attacked (first appearance of Kodachi, etc), he does not go out looking for possible foes- he's strictly reactive, responding to the attacks of others. So long as you aren't attacking him, or haven't attacked someone who tries and succeeds in siccing him on you, he doesn't give a damn.

And good point Zwzn; I cannnot speak for the manga, but I can speak for the anime, and the only time the "duelling with chopsticks over tasty morsel" gag ever appears, it's done by Soun & Genma. I think it also gets done by those two in the anime take on the Battle Dining storyline, but I'm not sure.

[TerraEpon]

But you have to remember that in fics writers often try to fix plotholes present in the manga/anime and find some plausible 'real life' explanations.

Which is a problem, because in the series they are played for humor. In fanfics, they seem to pick and choose what to apply to RL and what not to. That in an of itself goes in the trope pile, I think.

[mondu_the_fat]

However we never see this from what I recall, and we know Akane has a phonygraphic memory.

So, your argument that it didn't happen is that Akane remembered incorrectly?

Proof please, or it didn't happen. I want proof that Akane remember THIS instance incorrectly, not other instances.

[Zwzn]

Uh... Ranma seeking out threats? Since when? While he doesn't hesitate to intervene if he sees somebody getting mugged or attacked (first appearance of Kodachi, etc), he does not go out looking for possible foes- he's strictly reactive, responding to the attacks of others. So long as you aren't attacking him, or haven't attacked someone who tries and succeeds in siccing him on you, he doesn't give a damn.

If Ranma hears about a problem he thinks he can be of help dealing with, he will go and help. If he finds something odd he will investigate. The Demon Dog Of The Sea arc shows this, and the Valintine's day arc shows Ranma seemingly wandering around helping anyone he comes across.

And good point Zwzn; I cannnot speak for the manga, but I can speak for the anime, and the only time the "duelling with chopsticks over tasty morsel" gag ever appears, it's done by Soun & Genma. I think it also gets done by those two in the anime take on the Battle Dining storyline, but I'm not sure.

The closest thing to Ranma and Genma fighting over food we see is flashbacks of the training trips when they where running out of food.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

I think Zwzn is actually arguing that, as we've never seen that actually sort of scene happen in the manga, and as we have seen Akane misremembering things in the manga (Hinako story; misremembering Ranma's explanation of his attempts at groping Hinako), we should be doubtful/cautious about using that once-off 'vision' as proof that Ranma & Genma do duel over food.

And, Zwzn, in the anime at least we do see Genma grab stuff from the table and run off with it, prompting Ranma to chase him (start of the Martial Arts Takeout Race, vengeful spirit doll OAV); I was just saying that the idea of the two of them trying to swipe stuff off each other's plate without moving is fanon.

[Zwzn]

I think Zwzn is actually arguing that, as we've never seen that actually sort of scene happen in the manga, and as we have seen Akane misremembering things in the manga (Hinako story; misremembering Ranma's explanation of his attempts at groping Hinako), we should be doubtful/cautious about using that once-off 'vision' as proof that Ranma & Genma do duel over food.

And, Zwzn, in the anime at least we do see Genma grab stuff from the table and run off with it, prompting Ranma to chase him (start of the Martial Arts Takeout Race, vengeful spirit doll OAV); I was just saying that the idea of the two of them trying to swipe stuff off each other's plate without moving is fanon.

We see Ranma and Genma eating together alot, but we rarely see them fight over food, and Akane has a proven falty memory, and will often think or say the worst of Ranma.

[antimatterenergy]

Ranma and Genma do fight over food quite often in the manga. There is the arc with the cursed paintings Genma stole Ranma's octopus ball and Ranma accidentally hits the cursed painting. During the arc with the vengeance doll Genma again stole food from Ranma which lead to Ranma accidentally knocking the doll off the table. Genma and Ranma fight over food with Ranma winning prompting the story arc in which Ranma and Genma duel. So fighting over food is common and it is very likely they do at least on occasion fight via chopsticks at the table (most are Genma stealing it and running though).

The Tendo's watch the news often it happens in several arcs already mentioned school grade arc, beginning of Orachi arc, when Pantyhose Taro and the Ashura were fighting, end of arc in which Happosai remembered his firecracker technique, etc... They also get the newspaper since Soun can be seen reading it some times. There are other none news times in which they watch TV - episode of Doramon is watched by Miss Hinako, they play video games, Akane was watching TV in the arc with the hypnosis mushrooms, etc..

[Zwzn]

Ranma and Genma do fight over food quite often in the manga. There is the arc with the cursed paintings Genma stole Ranma's octopus ball and Ranma accidentally hits the cursed painting. During the arc with the vengeance doll Genma again stole food from Ranma which lead to Ranma accidentally knocking the doll off the table. Genma and Ranma fight over food with Ranma winning prompting the story arc in which Ranma and Genma duel. So fighting over food is common and it is very likely they do at least on occasion fight via chopsticks at the table (most are Genma stealing it and running though).

So, three times we see fighting out of how many times eating? Are you sure they are fighting over the food, and not over the fact Genma stole somthing from Ranma in most of those?

Can we trust Akane's memory even with non-Ranma related things? Matbe it was just me, but Akane seemed to have a spoty memory of Ryugenzawa. We can't really trust Akane to think of anything, but the worst of Ranma.

[Spokavriel]

Zwzn There are times where Genma still has the pilfered food in hand and say his foot in Ranma's face or jumping over the pond. While the stuffing your face and punching at the same time version isn't shown out side of imagination they do still clearly fight over food. And Genma has admitted to stealing Ranma's food for training purposes.

The speed training aspect is the only part I can't find full support for. Genma isn't exactly that fast. Think of when he and Soun were fighting over desert already bitten into.

I'd say Genma makes a reason for a meal to become a fight about 1/3 of the time he remains conscious at the end of the meal. There are many times he gets punched out for things he was saying without the food being an issue yet that makes it harder to set a clearer average.