Cliches & Tropes of Ranma fanon

[Zwzn]

Zwzn There are times where Genma still has the pilfered food in hand and say his foot in Ranma's face or jumping over the pond. While the stuffing your face and punching at the same time version isn't shown out side of imagination they do still clearly fight over food. And Genma has admitted to stealing Ranma's food for training purposes.

I'm not trying to argue that it doesn't happen. I'm argueing that it does not happen like, or as often as fanfics often say it does.

The speed training aspect is the only part I can't find full support for. Genma isn't exactly that fast. Think of when he and Soun were fighting over desert already bitten into.

I'd say Genma makes a reason for a meal to become a fight about 1/3 of the time he remains conscious at the end of the meal. There are many times he gets punched out for things he was saying without the food being an issue yet that makes it harder to set a clearer average.

Genma is shown sitting on, or beating Ranma to the point he can't move, and taking at least the last of the food they packed all for him self. It's not training. Genma knew he could beat Ranma easily for most of the manga, and kind of seems to have thought he always would be able to. It is really stupid not to feed a growing child who you want to be strong and healthy.


Does Genma steal any food from Ranma after the cradle of death?

[Drawde]

I'm pretty sure that the angry doll storyline is after the cradle from hell one. I might be wrong though. Genma stole some drink from Ranma in the doll story.

[Spokavriel]

The drink in question was Milk and it was later but I don't remember any Manga parallel.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

Didn't the vengeful spirit doll story happen in both canons? Because I'm pretty sure that "The One To Carry On" two-parter OAV is the only anime-unique OAV. All of the others are conversions of stories from the manga.

[Spokavriel]

I said I don't remember because I honestly don't remember. I have to read the series again and am planning to after I get through Watership Down and Love Hina on my current hard copy personal reading list.

[Drawde]

The doll arc happened in the manga too. The main difference being the other fiancees didn't show up in the manga.

[Spokavriel]

Did Genma's Cradle of Hell move also show up in the Manga? That would help with the whole events before and after. And the question was really if food was stolen after that move was made and I think it was. I'm just uncertain.

[Zwzn]

Did Genma's Cradle of Hell move also show up in the Manga? That would help with the whole events before and after. And the question was really if food was stolen after that move was made and I think it was. I'm just uncertain.

21.01-21.03 (Viz 19.01-19.03) Genma and the Cradle from Hell.

31.09-31.10 (Viz 29.09-29.10) Doll of vengeance

Doesn't make sense to me. The hole point of the Cradle from Hell arc was Ranma had gotten so much better then Genma that Genma did not stand a chance of winning a fight with Ranma I thought.

[three headed dog]

Doesn't make sense to me. The hole point of the Cradle from Hell arc was Ranma had gotten so much better then Genma that Genma did not stand a chance of winning a fight with Ranma I thought.

Why doesn't it make sense? Genma did not defeat Ranma in the later instance only managed to grab food from Ranma and run. Defeating someone and managing to steal an object from a person are very different. There is no real fight, Genma grabbing an item and running isn't really much of a battle. Just wait until the person's guard is down/distracted and then grab it.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

I think he's referring to the fact that the doll gets mad at Ranma because Genma uses a towel to trip him/slap him out of the air (been a while since I've seen it), causing him to crash into the doll's stand and knock it to pieces. Even so, I still don't see it as that big a plot hole- Ranma is, in no way, an unbeatable foe. He may always figure out a way to win in the end, but he gets distracted and flattened and overpowered all the same. He's just better at coming back from a pounding and making plans up on the fly than most.

[Spokavriel]

Genma runs into the Doll's Table but because Ranma is chasing him the boy is the one the Doll Sees. And the boy is the one that picks the doll back up and places her in that undignified pose.

[Zwzn]

Doesn't make sense to me. The hole point of the Cradle from Hell arc was Ranma had gotten so much better then Genma that Genma did not stand a chance of winning a fight with Ranma I thought.

Why doesn't it make sense? Genma did not defeat Ranma in the later instance only managed to grab food from Ranma and run. Defeating someone and managing to steal an object from a person are very different. There is no real fight, Genma grabbing an item and running isn't really much of a battle. Just wait until the person's guard is down/distracted and then grab it.

The hole point of the craddle of hell arc was Genma could not even touch Ranma without using the Cradle from Hell tech.. Genma was no longer fast enough or strong enough to take Ranma in anything other then sparing.

The only way the theft in the vengeful doll arc really makes sense is if Ranma let it happen, or Genma trained really REALLY hard, but niether are shown nor hinted at.

[three headed dog]

The hole point of the craddle of hell arc was Genma could not even touch Ranma without using the Cradle from Hell tech.. Genma was no longer fast enough or strong enough to take Ranma in anything other then sparing.

Nope. The cradle of hell is a grappling move. For Genma to be able to use it means that Genma is capable of getting close up to Ranma.

A five year old can grab an item out of an adults hand and run. Does that mean the five year old is stronger or faster than the adult? NO, all it means is that the five year old saw an opportunity to grab the item from the adult and run. That is similar to the situation with Genma. No battle. Just a grab and run. Haven't you ever had someone weaker/slower than you manage to take something from you? Most likely when you weren't expecting it, weren't paying attention, or occupied with something else.

[Zwzn]

The hole point of the craddle of hell arc was Genma could not even touch Ranma without using the Cradle from Hell tech.. Genma was no longer fast enough or strong enough to take Ranma in anything other then sparing.

Nope. The cradle of hell is a grappling move. For Genma to be able to use it means that Genma is capable of getting close up to Ranma.

A five year old can grab an item out of an adults hand and run. Does that mean the five year old is stronger or faster than the adult? NO, all it means is that the five year old saw an opportunity to grab the item from the adult and run. That is similar to the situation with Genma. No battle. Just a grab and run. Haven't you ever had someone weaker/slower than you manage to take something from you? Most likely when you weren't expecting it, weren't paying attention, or occupied with something else.

Genma was only able to pull off the move because of psychological reasons, and use of ki. It is far more then just a grappling move.

Genma was shown to be far too slow to defeat Ranma in such a way in the craddle from hell arc.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

Uh, just to ask, didn't Genma pick up Ranma's milk after he'd put it down on the floor/a bench/whatever and then he ran off with it? Because, if that's the case, all Genma really has to do is manage to outrun/dodge Ranma with it; technically, he didn't have to take it from Ranma, he just had to evade his attempts to take it back.