Ranma fights that would be fun to see

[Climhazard]

Ryouga and Ranma are, IMO, pretty much at the same level.

Don't...uh... think so. In Koi Rod Ark enraged Ranma beat Ryoga in matter of seconds. Ryoga don't able to do anything.

[rmt]

Don't...uh... think so. In Koi Rod Ark enraged Ranma beat Ryoga in matter of seconds. Ryoga don't able to do anything.

Ranma had the "enraged girlfriend" powerup - the same one that allows Akane to beat Ranma up, and assorted girls to beat Happousai up.

If you look at all of their serious fights (BT, SSH, ice skating), Ranma has a lot of trouble defeating Ryouga, which is why I say that they are pretty much at the same level.

EDIT: Or at least, very close in skill.

[FriendlyEL]

By the end of the manga how far would you say Ranma is from defeating Happosai or Cologne?

On a side note, another fun fight to see would be Konatsu vs. Mousse.

Still, I kind of wonder just exactly how hard pressed Ukyo would be if she was to get in a fight with Mousse. They do, after all, use a fairly similar fighting style.

[Knight of L-sama]

I suspect that Happosai could take anyone of the Ranma cast if he were serious about it.

I must take issue with that scentence. The outcome of an all out fight between the Cologne and Happi is nowhere near certain.

[pspinler]

I suspect that Happosai could take anyone of the Ranma cast if he were serious about it.

I must take issue with that scentence. The outcome of an all out fight between the Cologne and Happi is nowhere near certain.

Well, I have a couple of reasons for my suspicion, for whatever they're worth:

First, Happi has shown an ability and willingness to expend massive amounts of Ki (e.g. the growing aura trick). Cologne's not nearly as flashy. Maybe she doesn't need to be, maybe she just can't be. Who knows? But we do know Happi *can*. (ki seems to equal magic martial arts power in the Takahashiverse)

Second, Happi is faster than Ranma, at least when he wants to be. Thus by extension, he's faster than Cologne, since Ranma appears to at least match Cologne.

Third, Happosai is shown to be able to recover nigh instantly from insane amounts of damage. Again, we don't know whether or not Cologne could do so. Maybe so, maybe not, but we do know Happosai can.

Put all these together, and I assert that Happosai has actually demonstrated greater strength and ability than Cologne has demonstrated. Could Cologne match him? Perhaps, but there doesn't seem to be evidence to show it.

My uncertainty about this: Ranma used Cologne's techniques to beat Happosai, primarily the hiryu shorin ha. But it only worked because he managed to distract Happosai. Thus my qualification about Happosai having to be serious.

-- Pat

[FriendlyEL]

Then again, I myself have always considered Cologne one of the more intellegent martial artists. I'm pretty sure she'd be able to find a way to work around Happosai's advantages.

Still, I would have liked to see how they would have done against Saffron or Herb in reality.

[rmt]

Then again, I myself have always considered Cologne one of the more intellegent martial artists. I'm pretty sure she'd be able to find a way to work around Happosai's advantages.

I agree. Happousai is powerful but his biggest weakness is that he is far too easily distracted by pretty girls and underwear.

[claymade]

Second, Happi is faster than Ranma, at least when he wants to be. Thus by extension, he's faster than Cologne, since Ranma appears to at least match Cologne.

The only time I can recall Ranma appearing to match her is when he nabbed the (false) Pheonix Pill from her--and I contend that that was pretty clearly only appearance, caused by her not going all-out at that time.

Compare to their later battle over the real Pheonix pill. Cologne simply takes it up another notch, and suddenly Ranma can't even lay a finger on her as she leisurely uses him as a punching bag.

I, personally, don't think Cologne has ever shown us her full power.

[FriendlyEL]

I, personally, don't think Cologne has ever shown us her full power.

Hence why you have to admit it would be fun to watch her fight Saffron or Herb.

[Pale Wolf]

I agree. Happousai is powerful but his biggest weakness is that he is far too easily distracted by pretty girls and underwear.

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it? Since it was specified as a serious fight.

[rmt]

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it? Since it was specified as a serious fight.

The only time, to my recollection, that he was able to ignore underwear was during his fight with Ranma over the Dragon's Whisker.

I would still class the final Hiryuu Shoten Ha fight with Ranma and his fight with Tarou (when Ranma defeated him with a dumbbell in pantyhose) as serious fights, even if he did allow himself to become distracted. It's still a big weakness.

[pspinler]

The only time I can recall Ranma appearing to match her (Cologne, in speed) is when he nabbed the (false) Pheonix Pill from her--and I contend that that was pretty clearly only appearance, caused by her not going all-out at that time.

What you're referring to is this: when Ranma finally learns the Amigurikan, and snatches the fake pheonix pill. However, what I see is that he (she, at the time) is so fast that s/he leaves Cologne totally baffled:

http://ranmahentai.ranma.ws/RanmaManga/ ... 05-190.jpg
http://ranmahentai.ranma.ws/RanmaManga/ ... 05-191.jpg

Remember, I'm making the argument that Ranma is at least as fast as Cologne. I'm not making the argument that Ranma is *better* than Cologne, 'cause he's clearly not so.

Compare to their later battle over the real Pheonix pill. Cologne simply takes it up another notch, and suddenly Ranma can't even lay a finger on her as she leisurely uses him as a punching bag.

Cologne dominated the fight at the beach, until Ranma resorted the cat fist. However, I don't think she did it *by speed*. Instead, she did so through greater experience and a vastly greater range of technique, for instance by taking to the water and using techniques Ranma had no defense against.

For specific instances of speed, though, he manages to match Cologne hand to hand here:

http://ranmahentai.ranma.ws/RanmaManga/ ... 06-022.jpg

Here's the one questionable one, where Cologne runs around Ranma, and kicks sand into her face. I'm not really sure that Cologne demonstrates greater speed than Ranma, just more experience or a broader mastery of technique (blinding him, and taking advantage of it):

http://ranmahentai.ranma.ws/RanmaManga/ ... 06-028.jpg

I note there are other sections of the manga (which I'm too lazy to look up right now) where Ranma has moved so fast the eye couldn't track him. So it appears that Ranma could probably run as fast as that.

Ergo, by this fight, Ranma appears to be matching Cologne for speed, although clearly not for technique, skill or experience.

I, personally, don't think Cologne has ever shown us her full power.

Very possibly. Certainly she keeps pulling tricks out of her hat in storylines where she's a major character. Unfortunately, there's just no way to know. Unfortunately, we also know that Happosai keeps pulling tricks out of his hat, too. Who has more or better tricks? Hard to say. All we can say at this point is that Happosai has demonstrated more strength than Cologne has shown. Cologne may have it, too, but we just haven't seen it to know.

-- Pat

[FriendlyEL]

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it? Since it was specified as a serious fight.

Not to mention that in a "serious fight" against Herb or Saffron (unless Herb's in his girl form) they don't have that advantage to use, especially if they don't know of his perversity. I wonder how Cologne or Happosai would do against those two.

Still, do you get the impression that I'd like this conversation to stay a little more on topic? I suppose I should start a new thread.

[claymade]

Here's one fight I'd like to see. Actually, it's not really a matchup, per se, since I'm only specific about one side of it. I'd like to see Ranma, Ryouga and Mousee triple-teaming a single foe of ridiculous power.

I'm not picky about who it is--could be anyone who's got the requisite oomph. I'd actually prefer it to be someone who's not as much of a martial artist per se, but rather someone whose fighting style is more magic-ki-forcefield-lightshow-centric. Someone tough enough that they could throw themselves at him again and again in a protracted, obliterate-whole-city-blocks-style running battle. Someone cut along the lines of Kunzite from Sailor Moon or (Alpha 3) M. Bison from Street Fighter.

[FriendlyEL]

How about an Eva or their Angel counterparts? A semi nuke can't take those things out! Mousse wouldn't have much of a use against it, except maybe mentioning some tactics or going for weaker areas (under the bindings?). Chi blasts seem like the only thing that could potentially harm them, so make best sure that Ranma is feeling really lucky that time and make sure that Ryoga feels... well... not so lucky, and they'd have to make sure that they find a way to get close in enough to get through their AT fields. Either way, it's a good fight since those things are just dangerous.

One I thought would be fun to watch, assuming the latter is willing to take it seriously, is a Super Soba or Battle Doji powered Akane vs. Ryoga.