Ranma cast's evil ranking

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Postby FriendlyEL » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:11 pm

Not sure about Soun, but I rated Genma as a 4 more due to his thievery. Then again if I'm right Soun has been willing to force Akane to look at Ranma after she swallowed the love pill and even knocked them unconsious and dress them for the wedding in both 37 and 38, so it seems he's probably at least a 3 or 3.5 to me.

EdenB wrote:does Akane actually do any specifically good things to cancel out the bad?

Well, she actually is quite willing to put herself at risk in some fights or help out. Some particular points was the Saffron and Hiryu Shoten Ha story. Plus it seems that she tends to be slightly nicer to people other than Ranma, not that it excuses the way she treats him.

Certainly has her bad to make up for that though.
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Postby Goldarmy » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:06 pm

FriendlyEL wrote:Hmm, the first person that feels that Nabiki isn't a 5. I think some people might like an explanation to that.

Pspinler explained this. Nabiki is a 17 year old spoiled girl who never had to face consequences of her actions. She is also a short-sighted, self-centered, callous, opportunistic weasel. She doesn't try to hurt someone, just try to fill her pockets when opportunity show itself. What makes her rank low is, she doesn't give a damn about other people. But it isn't right to say that she is the most evil, while there are people out for blood.

One thing I'd like to be discussed though is why you feel Mousse and Ryoga should be rated so high.

For the Lost Boy his action in Koi Rod story earns his permanent rank as Nasty. Trying to bury Ranma-chan alive to protect his 'dignity' isn't any different than killing the girl you made pregnant to protect your reputation. For Mousse the sign of change comes too little, too late to make any difference before manga ends. As for the help it doesn't mean anything, because the manga is full of temprorary alliances.

-Felt responsibility for creating a monster out of Hinako and tries to stop her (or at least getting Ranma to)

Did he try to grope Hinako first?

-Saved Akane from being a giant splatter of guts on a cliff when monster Taro tried to ram into her

Did he try to grope Akane immediately afterwards?
Would he saved Hiroshi from such a fate, would he saved male Ranma from such a fate?

-Feels hurt when Ranma, Genma and Soun neglect to know him during the Octopus Pot Story.

And why is this a sign that he isn't that bad?

EdenB wrote:Where would people rate Genma and Soun?

Genma is a man that threw his son into a pit of hungry animals, repeatedly. That itself is enough to earn 4. Soun as a human being is as rotten as Genma, with selling his unborn children for food, blackmailing Ranma to marry, being a willing accomplice of Genma, he is a 4 as well.
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Postby FriendlyEL » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:24 pm

Goldarmy wrote:For the Lost Boy his action in Koi Rod story earns his permanent rank as Nasty. Trying to bury Ranma-chan alive to protect his 'dignity' isn't any different than killing the girl you made pregnant to protect your reputation.

At the same point, Konatsu trying to poison an entire family after one of the members did something wrong isn't exactly something that makes sence, but since he's alot nicer after his first arc I am willing to forgive that.

Did he try to grope Akane immediately afterwards?
Would he saved Hiroshi from such a fate, would he saved male Ranma from such a fate?

I didn't get the impression that he was seriously trying to. He never said anything around that range. Then again the other teens riding Taro currently didn't feel comfortable leaving her in his care.

Did he try to grope Hinako first?

Don't recall that. The first time they met Hinako was interrupting a fight between him and Ranma and she wiped the tar out of him with her chi sucking technique. Later Happi approaches Ranma and tells him that he needs to stop her from using the technique "for the sake of the anything goes school". Although now that I think of it that could have been more due to worry of a student of the school being able to defeat him, and he expected Ranma to do it without lifing a finger himself, so maybe it's not so selfless.

Actually come to think of it you're right, Happosai is kind of mean-spirited at times.
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Postby Goldarmy » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:12 pm

FriendlyEl wrote:At the same point, Konatsu trying to poison an entire family after one of the members did something wrong isn't exactly something that makes sence, but since he's alot nicer after his first arc I am willing to forgive that.


First Konatsu has been raised to be an assasin. Second Konatsu's bad actions doesn't lessen Ryouga's bad actions. Third yes his anger and vengefulness lessens as time goes; but what he tried to do at the forest was different from his usual revenge against Ranma. In fact he is the only character that tries to murder a suitor he didn't want.

Konatsu reaches 4 due to his ninja heritage. Ryouga stays at 4.
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Postby claymade » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:40 pm

Goldarmy wrote:For the Lost Boy his action in Koi Rod story earns his permanent rank as Nasty. Trying to bury Ranma-chan alive to protect his 'dignity' isn't any different than killing the girl you made pregnant to protect your reputation.

Not really a very good analogy. "Dignity" wasn't the deciding factor--it isn't until he sees Ranma's jealous affection turn murderous that he decides to do it.

It's also worth noting that, despite all his proclamations, the one time he actually gets Ranma completely at his mercy, he ultimately can't bring himself to do it.

This is all standard Ryouga MO, really. Another good example is the bit at the end of the Hiryu Shoten Ha training. It's practically identical--an enraged Ryouga proclaiming that he's going to kill Ranma, even to the point of beating him up and standing over him with a huge boulder. With nothing to stop him.

Of course (as we all know) he didn't go through with it that time either.
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