antimatterenergy wrote:Nope that isn't the reasons for her not cooking and swimming. The reasons are explained in manga. She can't cook because she doesn't pay attention (such as putting in wrong type of oil), tries to improve the recipe, etc.. She did manage to cook fully edible curry when she took her time, followed the directions, and was careful with the ingredients. Imeadately before the Orachi arc.
It seems I've been reading too many fanfictions lately. I've now reread most of the manga in response to your posts! You're right about her cooking at least. She has improved enough to be able to make normal curry. I still think that she has have some kind of psychological issue with cooking (perhaps trying to emulate her mother, or jealousy of Kasumi?) to have to spend so much time and effort to do such a simple dish though.
antimatterenergy wrote:The reason she can't swim is explained by her not understanding the basic mechanics of swimming, in the manga she states that she thought to swim you have to breathe in a lot of water (and she was serious). Considering the means Miss Hinako and Principal Kuno used when they attempted to teach her this is some what understandable.
Thinking that you have to BREATHE water to swim when no one else does that, it's illogical and runs against common sense, and it hasn't been working for her for her entire life seems like good evidence for some kind of mental/psychological block. And in the 'Hinako teaches Akane to swim' arc, Ranma DID tell Akane not to breathe the water and how to kick and swing her arms properly and she still couldn't do it.
antimatterenergy wrote:First Akane practices a lot more than what I considered a hobby at least several hours every single day.
Compared the martial artists that trained from a young age and for whom martial arts is the main focus of their life, it pretty much is a hobby.
antimatterenergy wrote:Second there is no real reason that Shampoo should be as good as Ranma. Ranma learns at an incredible speed that is unnatural Cologne has been constantly surprised at the speed he learns (like speed he learned hiryu shoten ha and that he figured out the end of the technique when she hadn't told him it) and the speed that he learned the Umisenken surprised everyone he only needed to see it once.
Okay, maybe it is unfair to compare her (or anyone) to Ranma. Maybe I'm overestimating Amazon society, but I would expect the 'strongest warrior of her generation', someone so incredibly privileged (in regards to access to and motivation to learn martial arts) to put up at least a decent challenge to Ranma. Their first fight was over with one blow (it was a ringout, but thats still a very shoddy performance), and their second, he defeated her on accident. Their third and final matcha at Jusendo, she was only dangerous because she had those mind-controlling eggs, and she succeeded in using one on Genma. She also couldn't hurt him when chasing him around China with deadly weapons, and there is no evidence that we was holding back out of an unwillingness to kil like some fanfics like to claim. Even Mousse and Kuno give him better challenges on occasion. I expected more from Cologne's heir.
antimatterenergy wrote:Also Genma may have been willing to go to further extremes that Cologne was willing to go to teach Shampoo (for instance wouldn't go to the level of the neko-ken).
Considering the Nekoken has hindered Ranma more than helping him, by giving him a crippling weakness, I wouldn't say that Genma is a better teacher than Cologne.
antimatterenergy wrote:Also Shampoo was trained in other things than martial arts such as healing (she did work as an assistant to DR tofu), tracking, and magic.
This is true. She doesn't show these more than a tiny amount of her other skills (herbolagy, shiatsu, first-aid, magical knowledge, ect..) but she does have some training in them.
antimatterenergy wrote:I do not see that at all. Ranma was severly limited in that battle he did not try and hit her at all fighting a purely dodging battle, he did not use any ki techniques, and he did not use the full extant of his abilities (Ranma for instance when he wants to moves fast enough that people can't track him).
He may not have used his ki attacks, but then he rarely ever does use those. Ranma doesn't like to depend on those kind of attacks, and I don't think he would ever use them against an opponent who couldn't use them. And he did try to hit Akane; their final fight, he was trying to hit her belt the whole time. He didn't hold back against the suit when she wasn't wearing it, and it still crushed him. Cosidering she dominated him so completely in their spars that he never got a chance to try and attack, I hardly think his willingness to do so matters. She was owning him until that final fight.
Now that I've reread that arc though, I have to admit I think you're right about it not showing her full potential. Ranma says that the suit brings out the wearer's hidden potential, and Soun says that it increases her strength tenfold, but the fact that the suit still beats Ranma when Akane's not wearing it and her admitting that it's not her own skill seem to counter those claims.
Other than the Umisenken arc (and he never used that technique again), when has Ranma ever "moved so fast that people can't track him"? Not counting the Kachuu Tenshin Amaguriken, since only his arm moves super fast.
antimatterenergy wrote:This can not be determined. Shampoo's training and full extant of her abilities are unknown it is entirely possible that she knows the breaking point (her wall breaking could be a variant of it), she could know the Hiryu Shoten Ha (in the battles we saw her fight she never had an opportunity in which to use it -Ranma for instance took her out in seconds and after Ranma, Ryoga, and Akane saw it it would be much harder to use on them since they know enough about it to avoid running in a spiral), she knows hidden weapons as demonstrated by the amount of weapons she used on Ranma while chasing him and pulling out her sword and stick weapons from nowhere, etc... She also knows techniques like instant unconsciousness which she used on Akane and the remote control acupuncture which she used to control Akane like a puppet.
I'm pretty sure she does know the breaking point, as she uses what appears to be a variation of it to blow up fast food inside of delivery boxes during the 'Miss Martial Arts Takout' arc. She even destroys a water tower with her finger. She didn't learn it the same way Ryoga did though, as she has never displayed the insane endurance he gained from it. There is absolutely no evidence that she knows the Hiryuu Shoten Ha, so hypothesizing about it is kind of pointless. About the hidden weapons; sure she can pull out weapons from nowhere, but then SO CAN EVERYONE ELSE, including Akane. Ryoga is pretty much the only prominent martial artist who doesn't do that. Her only other real special techniques are the 'memory sealing shampoo' and the 'remote control acupunture', which are of limited usefullness in a serious fight.
antimatterenergy wrote:Really I see no proof that Shampoo did plateau, her training is unseen, the full extant of her abilities is unknown (only that she doesn't have the same physical abilities and learning speed of Ranma), and we don't know Akane's full training regiment nor the speed in which she can pick up techniques (or how it compares to Shampoo's). Also Shampoo has taken out Akane in seconds every time she wanted to. She took her out in a few seconds when using the remote control acupuncture and when she used the shampoo to erase Ranma from her memory.
The fact that Shampoo is so much weaker than Ranma when she has such a similar background implies that either she has reached some kind of limit or she hasn't been taking her training very seriously. It's true that neither Akane or Shampoo's training regiments are ever explained, so I won't guess on that one. As for taking out Akane easily, I can think of a counter-example; Shampoo and Akane fought mostly equally when they were both "pumped up" on super soba in the martial arts badmitton match.
I do admit that Shampoo is a good deal better than Akane now, but I maintain that with a confidence-boost and a real trainer (both of which I think she would get in Ranma if he married her), Akane could reach her level fairly quickly. This would then probably set off a 'my kung fu is stronger than yours' rivalry between them similar to Ranma and Ryogas.