ranma time and space adventure

[toushin]

how well do you think ranma would last in the naruto universe. myself personally i think up to the point where naruto goes off to train for three years ranma could dominate with the exception of the higher ups like itachi or orochimaru. it after that i think ranma wont be able to hold his own with out training what are your thoughts

[Cheb]

A Chunin level.

[Zwzn]

how well do you think ranma would last in the naruto universe.

I think Ranma from any time during or after Ranma1/2 would be right at home at any time in the Naruto series from a cultural stand point. He could just travel around, forage for food, and do D-ranked jobs for money. He would likely be ignored for the most part because he would at worst look like an Academy drop out for the most part. Most people aren't going to see him do more then beat up thugs.

I could easily see someone thinking he is a Hyuga, or an Uchiha.

myself personally i think up to the point where naruto goes off to train for three years ranma could dominate with the exception of the higher ups like itachi or orochimaru. it after that i think ranma wont be able to hold his own with out training what are your thoughts

From what I've seen of both series Ranma would rank about where he would in his home universe as the Naruto series only focuses on the really high end fighters, and Ranma tends to appear less capable then he is because he takes great pains not to badly hurt the other guy.

Ranma seems to me to be harder to hurt with both blades and blunt objects then most Naruto ninja.

Ranma seems to me to be stronger then most Naruto ninja.

Ranma seems to me to be faster in every way then, and doesn't seem to have the problem with going fast Narutoverse ninja need a Sharingan eye to fix. He commonly moves so fast no one sees him move.

Ranma heals almost like Naruto.

Ranma seems immune to hot, cold, and electricity at worst being stunned.

Ranma has a large number and types of techniques. Some are made to take on people who are much more capable then himself, others are devastating but subtle, and others are just made to push tons of rock out of the way after a cave-in so you can get out.

Herb, Saffron, Cologne, and Happosai would be considered fairly high level ninja(S-class).

I'd say Ranma would easily rank as a Chunin if he is from the start of Ranma 1/2, and easily rank Special Jonin if he is from the end of Ranma 1/2.

[Zwzn]

A Chunin level.

Why do you think that?

[Cheb]

A relatively wild guess based of what I know of the powerlevels of the various parties.
Just compare the stuff the kids did at the Chunin exam (not counting Naruto and Gaara), and you'll see that Ranma isn't that far ahead. He could be comparable or a bit stronger than Lee but I'll never believe he could hold against Maito Gai.

The same with the various Jounin. They have a vast repertoire of techniques and would either catch him flat, or overwhelm him with the brute force of their mammoth jutsus. Compared to Saffron, the Jounin may have less firepower (dubiously) but Saffron was a spoiled brat while they are a veteran soldiers. Very able in hand-to-hand too.

...which doesn't mean Ranma cannot win. I assess Herb as a special Jounin equivalent.

Overall, I'd place Ranma as an equivalent of younger Lee with gates open or the older Lee of Shippuuden.

[toushin]

When Ranma is learning the Hiryü Shöten Ha, Ryöga happens to punch him into the side of a mountain (V13.7 p106-7) and Ranma makes a crater about 3m wide and 1m deep in solid rock, after taking such a strong punch Ranma is only dazed (not unconscious) and can still fight, and this is also when Ranma has lost his strength.

he froze his whole body in order to survive continued exposure to the fire. Fire that was melting a mountain

Ranma takes hits from blades that easily carved through stone, metal, and earth:

Female Ranma almost effortlessly pushed a roughly 40-tonne boulder into the mouth of the Yamata-Orochi while swimming underwater, when supremely determined to save Akane from being eaten, and also managed to support the pressure Ryoga exerted on two enormous floating slabs of ice, one of which had an approximate weight of roughly 206 to 642 metric tons, when the latter was standing on her head

when Ranma is fighting Ryöga who's just learned the Bakusai Tenketsu, Ranma hits Ryöga several 100 times so fast it looks like one punch. Now lets say that to do this he punches Ryöga 200 times in 0.1 seconds. From looking at the picture it doesn't look like Ranma's arm movement covers a particularly large distance, say 0.25m each way - punching forwards, and taking the arm back. Therefore each punch takes 0.5m at at rate of 2000/sec. Which means his fists move on average 1000m/s. Now, this is 3 times the speed of sound, though we don't get any sonic booms. Also, since this is the average, the maximum would be higher, say about twice as fast.

what people seem to forget is that rock lee's and maito guy's fighting style is pretty simple all the punches and kicks are pretty straight forward and linear. this weakness is covered up with huge amounts of training in speed and strength but its still their. as you have seen in his fights with ryoga straight forward fighters like that aren't really a threat to ranma. so its a safe bet to say ranma could easily beat lee even guy. guy is the same as lee. with his weights on guy mostlikely wont pose a threat. yet by the time guy takes the weights off ranma would have analysed his style and be able to pretty much guess where guy will strike. it would be the gates that would give ranma trouble and i highly doubt ranma would let it go that far.

as for strength and durability ranma as a female has shown that she can do feets that guy could never achive.

lets look at other feats


as for hand to hand the naruto universe has a very generic view on hand to hand with only a few peole like the hyuuga or guy haveing distince styles. the most taijutsu skills are merely extentions of their ninjutsu. i.e you can control animals so you fight like a beast.

not even the four sounds would be that much of a threat. that boulder the fat one had was about the size of the one that lime threw and all that did was slow ranma down. plus his style is even more simplistic then guy's so he wouldn't last long. the twins wouldn't be fast enough, plus if it doesn't have cats i can see ranma pretty much ignoring a genjutsu.

its when he would have to up against three day's of torture, black flames, people who can throw giant swords, ect that would give ranma problems. ranma couldn't beat orochimaru or itachi. as he is now he could hold his own and give them a few surprises. like getting up and fighting after itachi's genjutsu but he wouldn't win.


as for shippuden. the ninja's there are alot for focused and powerful so it is here that ranma would be more taxed. but given his learning curve he would quikly rise up in skill and power.

[three headed dog]

I have not watched or read Naruto so I can't really say (I watched a few episodes and did not like it).

What I do know is that the Naruto characters fight to kill and/or seriously injure their opponents. That is something Ranma does not do. He holds back, a lot. He often chooses to beat them at their own games, limiting himself to their rules of combat and styles. He spends time dodging while trying to convince his opponents that they have no reason to fight (like when Ryoga and Ukyo both first showed up). He spends time trying to defeat their techniques and not even really attacking them (for example he never just hit Miss Hinako, he instead tried to counter her technique). He has taken hits so that others would not be hurt (even on occasion the person he is fighting). He toys with his opponents (like taking the time to write an insult on Kuno's head in bruises) and generally limits himself to his opponents perceived skill level and abilities (he does not hit opponents like Kuno or Gos as hard as he does opponents like Ryoga, he does not speed blitz opponents like Kuno and Mikado -when he has demonstrated the ability to, etc.). He rarely uses ki techniques and then only on characters he is sure would not be seriously hurt by them. Even in the battle with Saffron, Ranma tried to fight him without seriously hurting him for most of the fight, then when he finally realized he would have to, he decided to, and immediately did, cut off Saffrons wings attempting to maim him rather than say cutting off Saffrons head (which would have only required a slight change in angle).

I bring up that to illustrate that it is not Ranma's abilities or techniques (assisted by the fact that many of their techniques would in a relatively short time be added to his repertoire, he's a fast learner with a demonstrated ability of duplicating techniques he has seen only once and modifying techniques on the fly into more dangerous techniques) that are lacking or would cause him problems in Naruto's world. It is his morals, compassion, and sense of fair play that would cause him problems. Were Ranma to lose those traits very few people would stand a chance against him and the vast majority would be dead before they even knew he was there (he could sneak up on people like Cologne even before learning the Umisenken, has used various chemical attacks, and has extremely good accuracy in throwing things).

[toushin]

a lot of in fact most of the people ranma fights are seriously trying to kill him an an almost daily basis. both saffron and herb are great examples. the think is even though there not as public as in the naruto world in ranma's world they still exist. so ranma will know about them and be prepared, but yes eventually ranma would end up killing someone either be cuase he had to or becuase he happed to be to strong: unlike him i dont think there are a lot of ninja's durable enough that they can survive someone trying to rip out there heart. while it might force ranma to grow up a little and realise the world he is in now is alot more dangerous i dont think it change his core personality. you have to remember ranma is extremely resilient and adaptive if he wasn't he would end up being more like the ranma in Ill Met By Starlight. the only people i see him trying to actively kill would be orochimaru or manda uchiha.

[Cheb]

, plus if it doesn't have cats i can see ranma pretty much ignoring a genjutsu.

Based on what?
If the Invincible Glasses storyline is any indication -- Ranma meets a decent Genjutsu specialist, Ranma is toast.

...pushed a roughly 40-tonne boulder into the mouth of the Yamata-Orochi while swimming underwater...
...hits Ryöga several 100 times so fast it looks like one punch. Now lets say that to do this he punches Ryöga 200 times in 0.1 seconds...on average 1000m/s...

A very dubious thing to do. All these things are drawn for a visual impact, not an accurate physics model.
A more reliable source is the character's words. If Ryouga says that being hit with a 2-toun bouder doesn't faze Ranma, it's a real estimate we could use.

as for hand to hand the naruto universe has a very generic view on hand to hand with only a few peole like the hyuuga or guy haveing distince styles.

What I do know is that the Naruto characters fight to kill and/or seriously injure their opponents.

They also focus on teamwork. A thing Nerimaniacs sorely lack. The ninja would use teamwork to make him fight at a medium to long distance where he would be at a disadvantage.

Please watch this:
http://217.70.20.10/_share/_002/nr050clip_00.avi
..and then tell me how would Ranma fare against this speed with his puny amaguriken.
And that's just a kid, even if with a removed stoppers.
I personally think Ranma would still win this one.

Plus: Ranma cannot run on the ceilings. Ranma cannot stand or run on the water.
No. Narutoverse guys are freakishly strong AND versatile. As much as I like Ranma he would be somewhere in the mediocre range in that world. Plus, the Jounin have experience. They fight all their lives. The stupid are quickly weeded out.
Grantet, Ranma is able to quickly figure techniques out. But the ninja have a lot o jutsus. They will just use their next one.

[toushin]

If the Invincible Glasses storyline is any indication -- Ranma meets a decent Genjutsu specialist, Ranma is toast.

that was magic not genjutsu i was refering to things like warping reality or the white eyes that ranma does.

A very dubious thing to do. All these things are drawn for a visual impact, not an accurate physics model.
A more reliable source is the character's words. If Ryouga says that being hit with a 2-toun bouder doesn't faze Ranma, it's a real estimate we could use.

how how is me telling someone i can survive a car crash and not get hurt less dubious then them actually seeing me do it

They also focus on teamwork. A thing Nerimaniacs sorely lack. The ninja would use teamwork to make him fight at a medium to long distance where he would be at a disadvantage.

i admit this would be a problem but ranma does have a few melie techniques a double moko takabisha at two people while attacking the third, and if that doesn't work there is always the senken

Plus: Ranma cannot run on the ceilings. Ranma cannot stand or run on the water.
No. Narutoverse guys are freakishly strong AND versatile. As much as I like Ranma he would be somewhere in the mediocre range in that world. Plus, the Jounin have experience. They fight all their lives. The stupid are quickly weeded out.
Grantet, Ranma is able to quickly figure techniques out. But the ninja have a lot o jutsus. They will just use their next one

as i said before this would be a matter of skill rock lee would be knocked long before he would get a chance to use the gates, simply becuase the way he fights is to basic. plus i dont see ranma just standing there and letting rock lee just power up like that

ranma can run on ceilings and has done so on a daily basis, he can cling to walls and ceilings
he is freakishly strong and versatile
ranma has experience and has fought all his life and not in a school on the road
so im trying to guess what your point is

[Cheb]

Then try to compare ranma, wit the Naruto cast, at the times their age was equal.

The Rock Lee from that video fragment against Ranma four years before the series start.
The post-Shippuuden (granted, we have to wait a year or two for the series to come to conclusion) agains the mainstream Ranma.

Ouch.

The fifteen-year old Rock Lee with at least one gate open?
The drunk fifteen-year old Rock Lee?

Ouch.

ranma can run on ceilings

false

and has done so on a daily basis, he can cling to walls and ceilings

cling yes, crawl yes, run no. Stand and blast with kunai/fireballs no.
Rung along the walls for a short periods of time, maybe. But not stand on walls/trees perpendicularly. In this aspect, he is like a champion jumper against a bird.

that was magic not genjutsu

This is a EASTERN system where there's practically no line separating magic and not-magic. For all we know, jutsus are magic and ninja are in fact battlemages.
The point is he never shows any resistance against the mind-affecting stuff, magic or not. If someone there would have a Genjutsu resistance it's Nabiki.

[three headed dog]

I feel like pointing out that Ranma can run on vertical and diagonal objects. He ran up a telephone pole while chasing Cologne for example.

If I understand what Genjutsu are Ranma has fought off them occasionally: Happosai used his battle aura on Ranma to paralyze Ranma, Ranma defeated it surprising Happosai. Lucky Happosai's friend also used one in which he used hypnotics Ranma also fought it off stating that those types of tricks do not work on him.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/ranma_1_2/v31/c000/43.html

How the hell would Nabiki have a resistance, she is not strong willed, she is shown to run when things become to bad? Fanon Nabiki maybe but not manga Nabiki.

Characters words are often times less accurate since hyperbola exists. Even if you do count characters words, they match for the speed thing. Ryoga is the one that says hitting him a few hundreds of times would not matter, Akane said she could not see Ranma even move, when prior to that she was capable of counting the hits Ranma made on Mikado this means the speed has to be significantly faster else she'd still be able to see it but not count them.

edit in: absolutely no one has resisted the effects of magic in the Ranma manga and it is distinct from martial arts in the manga.
edit in: link to page where Ranma states mind tricks like that do not work on him

[Cheb]

Ranma also fought it off stating that those types of tricks do not work on him.

Well, a good point. Still, most genjutsus are very subtle. First and foremost you have to notice you have been trapped in one.

I feel like pointing out that Ranma can run on vertical and diagonal objects. He ran up a telephone pole while chasing Cologne for example.

Ah. I forgot about that. But I still doubt he could just stand on these.
Overall, the ninja seem to have... easier time doing the same feats. One would think they have a solid theoretical base the Ranma's world could only dream of. That would be a good explanation... And a good potential for a crossover.

[camk4evr]

I'm not too sure, to be honest, as Naruto is relatively more serious than Ranma 1/2 (not that it doesn't have a lot of comedy). That said, by the end of the manga I'd rate Ranma as high chunin in skill but not in attitude or experience (for reasons that have already been stated and I'm too lazy to repeat ^_^).

Overall, I'd rate him as an exceptional genin who's almost, but not quite, ready to become a chunin. However, when he does become a chunin, watch out because it won't be too long before he becomes a jonin.

[toushin]

the chasim naruto was thrown into to learn the summon technique was about the size of the mountains ranma has fallen off of and survived. ranma's durability alone would be enough to frighten alot of ninjas in the naruto when you add being able to lift tons of rock while under water punch hundreds of time in a matter of seconds and survive mountain destroying battle ranma would be in his element.

plus going back to rock lee thing when ranma 14-15 he was able to swim from japan to china with that huge pack on his back, so while he wouldn't have the monstrous strength he has no he could hold his own just not as well. also the renge techniques are suicidal techniques which i dought will interest ranma plus the renge is not about speed its just that the strength the legs gain produces that speed and unlike gaara who is a more stationary fighter ranma is not going to miss the clue of explodes rocks forming a path directly towards him if you remember it was ranmas second fight with herb that allowed her to break down his technique becuase without the water he wouldn't of had any visual clues on what the technique did.. at most i think rock lee would end up with a broken arm or leg when ranma dodges and counters simply becuase their would be no way for ranma to soften the damage becuase of the sheer power and speed rock lee is using. as for the initial renge even if rock lee could get a hold of ranma with the amount of damage ranma can take it wouldn't have that much of an effect.