Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

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Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Cheb » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:30 pm

The more reports I read, the more photos I see... I just start feeling unwell :(
With a tsunami so brutal, with whole cities ground into rubble, the count of lives lost must be in thousands. Who knows if our favorite manga/anime authors are among them? I just can't keep thinking about it. I feel physically ill. I'd better go drown my sorrows in some mindless video-gaming now. :(

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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Spokavriel » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:41 pm

For the effected areas... I really hope that they can get the roads clear quickly because there is allot of area where people are probably trapped.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Scratx-chan » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Done for? Hardly. It's probably the best prepared nation on the world against earthquakes. Lots of damage and probably a lot of loss of life, yes, but 'entire cities ground to rubble' is sensationalistic exaggeration, Cheb.

Don't take me wrong, this is big... but it's not Haiti. They'll probably need help in the short term for rescue operations and containing some of the damage (nuke plant comes to mind) but they'll bounce back from this.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Knight of L-sama » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:11 pm

Scratx-chan wrote:Done for? Hardly. It's probably the best prepared nation on the world against earthquakes. Lots of damage and probably a lot of loss of life, yes, but 'entire cities ground to rubble' is sensationalistic exaggeration, Cheb.


I'll second this. Granted this was larger than normal but Japan is one of the most tectonically active places on the planet and the need to prepare for these sort of events is something that both the Japanese people and their government have had to deal with for a long time.

I just wish I could muster up a bit more feeling about this on any level but when it comes to natural disasters I'm feeling rather burnt out at the moment. I live in Queensland and 72 of our 73 Local Government Areas have been disaster declared over the last couple of months (and no, I was not in the one that wasn't, though our street didn't actually flood) and just as we were cleaning up from that, Christchurch in New Zealand got hammered which was in the news and in the last week northern parts of the state have suffered yet more flooding and now this on top of everything else. I am officially numb.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby PCHeintz72 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:31 pm

I agree with the others...

As bad as this is, and while it may not seem like it at time, Japan is very prepared for natural disasters... It should be noted Japan sits on the Ring of fire, earthquakes, rumbles, and ocean activity have always been bad.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Scratx-chan » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:04 pm

What I was afraid of. We got a Three Mile Island in course right now.

I really hope they get that under control fast.

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Breaking News: Power company says lost ability to control reactor pressure at Fukushima No. 1 and No.2 reactors, making preparations to release pressure
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Spokavriel » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:30 pm

Sorry about the tangent but wasn't Hillary in NZ for 15 of those "Natural Disasters" Its disturbing how many of them are following her around the globe
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Crescent Pulsar R » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:23 pm

NZ? Wut?

Are you saying that she's some evil mastermind who has a secret lair in New Zealand?
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Spokavriel » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:41 pm

There is something a bit more on topic to talk about. It sounds like the cooling systems on one of the Nuclear Power plants is running out of power. I'm hoping it has a solid automated system to shut it down if that power gets lost before they can re-establish that part of the grid. I haven't heard why they cannot use the Power Plant's own power to power the coolant systems though.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Vocaloid » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:22 am

I have several friends there as well as some industry contacts with family there and from what I have been gathering, most everyone is alright, but communications are limited with them
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Screwball » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:52 am

Scratx-chan wrote:What I was afraid of. We got a Three Mile Island in course right now.

I really hope they get that under control fast.


It's really, really not an absolutely critical problem. I mean, look, there's been what appears to be a hydrogen explosion at the affected reactor now. That's bad, but it's not 'OMG, CHERNOBYL WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!' If anything, it's an indication that even thirty year old safety measures in first world nuke plant designs make a repeat of Chernobyl impossible.

You scoff? Well, just look at what happened at Chernobyl. The reactor melted down and caused a steam explosion. So far, things are similar here; the reactor appears to have partially melted down and caused a hydrogen explosion, but a boom is a boom. Then things go differently. Chernobyl blew the roof off of the reactor building, spewed a huge cloud of fallout across the Ukraine, and deposited bits of reactor vessel and fuel around the area of the plant. By this point, there were Russian firemen from Pripyat handling bits of metal so radioactive that they'd just killed themselves without knowing it. In Japan, we've got... nothing. The sum total of the explosion has been a small radiation leak that doesn't make the plant unsafe to work in if a little bit of care is taken, whereas the people responding to Chernobyl basically killed themselves.

This is basically an absolute worst case scenario playing out before our eyes, and there's no fallout cloud, it hasn't made the local area uninhabitable, and other than the unfortunate people killed in the explosion itself, it hasn't been a death sentence for anybody. It's absolute proof that containment vessels and other safety systems work, and work well, because it's so much less apocalyptic than Chernobyl despite similar starting events. That's in a plant that's basically obsolete; if it was a modern design, there wouldn't have been a meltdown at all, because the vast majority of modern reactors are designed to be essentially automatically self cooling for precisely this reason.

If it had breached the containment vessel, that would be a problem, but it would be obvious if it had. It would be pretty hard to miss the giant plume of radioactive debris, after all.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Spokavriel » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:33 am

The panic of a 3 mile island maybe. But what I am reading there has been no radiation leaked. The building that had the Reactor in it detonated from exploding support equipment. This is really frightening but at least they say the Reactor is intact. Its annoying when this is the line on my local news.

I wouldn't say automatically self cooling. Its more like they automatically shut down the reaction if cooling is lost. And did I read right earlier that more than one reactor had its coolant system disrupted by the quake and tsunami combo?
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby AdmiralTigerclaw » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:26 am

The reactors fine, and what little radiation there is has been dropping.

The reactors shut down almost immediately: It's just it takes them a while to cool off after shutdown. And with the cooling systems damaged, they'll heat up before they cool down.

The heating produces pressure. The pressure causes problems.

Once the reactors start to really cool off on their own, things'll settle down.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby mondu_the_fat » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:30 am

My, the kaiju are certainly active this year.
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Re: Is Japan done for by the todays earthquake?

Postby Dumbledork » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:50 am

mondu_the_fat wrote:My, the kaiju are certainly active this year.


No, I have another theory. I think this is the wrath of God against Tokyo for their new restrictive laws against violence and pornography in manga and anime.
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