The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby Mr L » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:19 pm

Fellow's point is that since the youma, who were all evil, were brought back to life, why should these two be excluded?
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby claymade » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:21 pm

Mr L wrote:Fellow's point is that since the youma, who were all evil, were brought back to life, why should these two be excluded?

I'm afraid I don't quite follow. Which youma were brought back to life by Usagi's wish? I don't think any explicitly were, to the best of my recollection...?
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby Fellow Sufferer » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:24 pm

claymade wrote:Indeed, the Wish definitely was selective... but on the other hand, Lesp and Cortheia weren't really particularly good either. The closest thing they really had to a redeeming feature was they had something besides themselves they did actually care about, but that much could be said for Kunzite, for Zoisite, for Beryl herself, and even for an infamous European dictator who I'll not name for fear of invoking the specter of Goodwin. The two youma were, in the end, unapologetically out to dominate, enslave and feed off of all humanity down to the last man, woman and child, and they never really had the slightest qualm about that part of things. So it'd be hard to have a criteria for Usagi's wish that'd bring those two back without bringing back pretty close to everybody on the Dark Kingdom side along with.

Which isn't to say it couldn't work that way; I can totally buy that her Wish (potentially) might've wanted to do exactly that. Or not, depending on how it worked, and how much juice she was able to put into it.

But in deciding between the two ways it could have gone, it's just that each person added to the mix: Nephrite, Kunzite, Zoisite, Beryl, Darkmistress... they all become extra plot threads that I'd have to resolve. Bringing them back would put me in the position of either trying to sweep them all back under the rug again quickly in a way that has minimal story impact (which feels kinda meh: "oh yeah, btw, they came back to life! and then died again, which is why they aren't actually around.") or actually dealing with those plot threads in a more thorough way in a cast that's already oversaturated with characters. I mean, think about what a huge impact, even just in terms of character interactions and such, that Beryl alone being alive would bring.

I'd have to address it. Worse, I'd have to address it in ways that feel appropriate and fitting to the level of impact characters like that would have. It's a can of worms--granted, a potentially fascinating can of worms what with how she'd interact with Serenity and Endymion now--but a huge can of worms nonetheless. Just because something is a really fascinating concept in isolation doesn't mean it won't cause problems for the larger fic if included.

Now take that, and multiply it by just about every Dark Kingdom character who died in the series. I mean, heck, look at how long the chapters are getting already, with just the plot threads that are being juggled right now, and I've actually cut several plot threads already from my original outline.

I'll keep the concept in mind, and see if anything germinates in my thought process that would make it click... but right now it just seems a LOT of plot overhead to incur for the end result of giving Lesp and Cortheia a cameo. Even as enjoyable as they were to write.

I get what you're saying. Well, I just felt like tossing a few ideas your way, to hear your thoughts. It'd be nice if they were actually helpful, but I'll take what I can get %).

(grumbles) I really should stop with my endless notes I write and finally produce some actual (fan)fiction of my own. That'll cure me from my urge to meddle, hopefully.
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby Mr L » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:29 pm

Oh, I thought they were all dead in the final battle. So, the youma experimented from Kazuo's organization were simple survivors?
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby claymade » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:39 pm

Fellow Sufferer wrote:I get what you're saying. Well, I just felt like tossing a few ideas your way, to hear your thoughts. It'd be nice if they were actually helpful, but I'll take what I can get %).

(grumbles) I really should stop with my endless notes I write and finally produce some actual (fan)fiction of my own. That'll cure me from my urge to meddle, hopefully.

Oh, it's definitely always helpful to hear what people are expecting/hoping will happen in the story; even when it doesn't match my initial plan, it makes me take a step back and look at things again from that new light, reconsider the possibilities.

And that sort of thing is something I'd really love to do, in and of itself. Could get all kinds of wild dynamics going with meeting the old legacy villains again, at this point in time. It's just that with everything else that's going on, it just feels like a rez like that would end up causing the story to slog down under its own weight, unfortunately, when combined with all the other ground I'm going to have to cover to make this work.

Mr L wrote:Oh, I thought they were all dead in the final battle. So, the youma experimented from Kazuo's organization were simple survivors?

Exactly. Not even the whole army died; there were injured survivors from Ranma's big blast, as well as those that avoided getting caught in it. Add to that any support staff/civilians/younger youma, etc that weren't actually set up to fight and weren't on the battlefield to begin with.
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby Blackcat101 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:35 am

So, I am guessed Ranma cursed gets locked and he also gets brainwashed... not that the idea was to get his curse locked, it was just a side-effect (Plus is always kind of funny)

Think about it, The Senshi would be confused about being attacked by a strange redhead... since they never fought Ranma cursed form...
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby claymade » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:39 am

Blackcat101 wrote:So, I am guessed Ranma cursed gets locked and he also gets brainwashed... not that the idea was to get his curse locked, it was just a side-effect (Plus is always kind of funny)

Think about it, The Senshi would be confused about being attacked by a strange redhead... since they never fought Ranma cursed form...

Interesting theory... Can't reveal which way it will go, of course... :wink:
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Re: The Dark Lords Ascendant, Chapter 7 [R/SM Cross]

Postby Blackcat101 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:24 pm

Sailor Saturn: Wait! Before we start fighting, there is something I must ask you!

Ryoga: Uh... okay?

*Ryoga was confused, the last time the same girl almost killed him, and now she wanted to talk, even after what happened with Sailor moon? Maybe she wanted to ask why he had saved her?

Sailor Saturn: You see...

* Hotaru was nervous, should she just ask him? Being direct would be the fastest way, but it would be also kind of rude. Maybe she should ask something that sounded... less boy crazy?She did not want to become the Minako of the Outers after all.

Sailor Saturn Do you think... I am beautiful?

Now, Ryoga Hibiki had come a long way from how he used to be. In the past, a beautiful girl like her asking a question like that would have caused him a nosebleed. But Hotaru was younger than him, had tried to kill him, and he was tired of people trying to use his weakness to defeat him. Plus there was the fact the Senshi weren't their biggest problem right now.

Ryoga: Yes I do... this is the part where you try to use your charm to win me over, right? Or maybe you will use some love potion? I know you will abuse the fact I don't like to hit girls to capture me? Or maybe this is just a distraction and one of your friends is behind me?

If Beneda could hear him, she would be proud. After talking to Shampoo she decided that Ryoga needed a crash course about "female viles", and it seemed it had worked. True, they couldn't change Ryoga personality and he would still never go all out with a girl unless a loved one was in danger, but it was still a far cry from him having a nosebleed and passing out like he used to in the old days.

***Not that I see this happening in your story, but It would be nice***
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