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Postby antimatterenergy » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:01 am

What actions would be taken besides fineing them and maybe trying to close the circus down?
How would they intervene the battles happen at seemingly random places and rarely take very long? A team maybe trained to help but unless the battle takes place real close to wear the team is located and they're already armed and armored up how will they get there in time? (police her e in the USA sometimes take over an hour to show up, like when a nude guy was running up and down the street with a knife in his hand which happened when I was visiting a friend)
The senshi's ideology would be all the stuff that sailormoon yells at the villians and the government wouldn't have anything against that.
How would they follow them to the fights when they don't know who the senshi are and when the senshi leave they leave faster than regular humans can or they detransform and are just regular girls who happen to be there.
Why would the populace overly fear the monsters? No one's ever been killed by one as far as anyone knows and the senshi always arrive in time to stop the monsters. No one was ever even really hurt by the monsters.
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Postby Shadell » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:11 am

antimatterenergy wrote:What actions would be taken besides fineing them and maybe trying to close the circus down?
How would they intervene the battles happen at seemingly random places and rarely take very long? A team maybe trained to help but unless the battle takes place real close to wear the team is located and they're already armed and armored up how will they get there in time? (police her e in the USA sometimes take over an hour to show up, like when a nude guy was running up and down the street with a knife in his hand which happened when I was visiting a friend)

Those are normal cops. YOu would be talking about a specially trained team here that was constantly monitering the senshi. They would know immediatly when anything happened and would probably be able to take out someone. Additionaly the senshi find out about a lot of enemy hide outs through luck, and some through investigation. A goverment team would probably identify the youma much easier then the senshi, given that they would presumably have some training in actual investigation.
The senshi's ideology would be all the stuff that sailormoon yells at the villians and the government wouldn't have anything against that.
How would they follow them to the fights when they don't know who the senshi are and when the senshi leave they leave faster than regular humans can or they detransform and are just regular girls who happen to be there.
Why would the populace overly fear the monsters? No one's ever been killed by one as far as anyone knows and the senshi always arrive in time to stop the monsters. No one was ever even really hurt by the monsters.

You're forgetting CT. Assuming they spy on the senshi, as would be likely they would probably know about CT. The goverment would likely not want to relinquish power to the senshi and would probably take steps to have them eliminated.
As noted before, any number of sources would reveal the senshi's identities. The most obvious one would be security cameras from where they transform. With that in place, following them to the fights would be rather easy for a group of trained professionals.
People have been killed at least once or twice. When Uranus and Neptune first showed up for one.
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Postby Zwzn » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:21 am

antimatterenergy wrote:Wouldn't matter if the government noticed the massive battle in antartica or not Sailormoon erased that entire arc from peoples minds and altered records evidentally so that Matako was already at the school even though she didn't transfer in until later.
1) Beryl's baseor at least the entrance was at or near the NORTH POLE. It was not at or near the south pole.
2) My money is on Pluto having done the reset. It seems well with in her powers in the anime to me, and she sure seems to want Crystal Tokyo in the Sub I have.
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Postby antimatterenergy » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:27 am

No Sailormoon definately used the crystal and caused the reset. It was a pretty big scene with her wishing to be a normal school girl and such. Also Pluto doesn't appear until later.
The Sailors rarely talk about Crystal Tokyo that's why we know so little about it so how would the government find out about it?
Where do they transform that has security camera's? Mostly they transform outside and the only places that would have security cameras in the mid 1990's would be inside stores, banks, and museums and I don't think they ever transformed in those places.
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Postby Zwzn » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:45 am

antimatterenergy wrote:No Sailormoon definately used the crystal and caused the reset. It was a pretty big scene with her wishing to be a normal school girl and such. Also Pluto doesn't appear until later.
1) We don't know how the wish was granted.
2) Pluto would not even have to leave the gates in the anime. She has telapathic powers' and unlike her manga counterpart she knows what is going on away from the gate.
3) Usagi's powers do not seem to me to be time based. At least some of Pluto's powers are time based.
4) We know Usagi's wish was not granted. If it had been granted then there would not have been a Doom Tree, Dark Moon Family, Death Busters...
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Postby antimatterenergy » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:01 am

Oh and I suppose that the government could put up cameras all over the place randomly in hopes of catching the senshi but they don't know that the senshi even have secret identities and would have to rely on luck to catch their transformation. They also have no reason to think that the senshi have secret identities because the enemies can teleport so they would most likely assume that the sailor scouts do as well since they aren't there after the battle and they just happen to show up where the monsters are (and they aren't wearing masks).
Her wish was granted for two months according to what luna and artimis say in the first episode of R. They get their memories back when Luna reawakens there memories so as to fight a cardian.
And Sailormoons crystal seems to be able to do anything she wants it to do.
When does someone die? I remember a lot of talking about how if they don't put the heart crystal back someone will die but don't remember seeing someone die. Several people almost died becuase the Uranus and neptune were willing to allow someone to die (they say stuff like too bad about the girl but we need the talismens) but I don't reacall anyone actually dying.
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Postby Zwzn » Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:14 am

antimatterenergy wrote:Her wish was granted for two months according to what luna and artimis say in the first episode of R. They get their memories back when Luna reawakens there memories so as to fight a cardian.
If the wish was granted there would have been no reason for them to become senshi again after season 1.
antimatterenergy wrote:And Sailormoons crystal seems to be able to do anything she wants it to do.
Until Stars it is anyone's who holds it.
The crystal's powers and abilities seem to be fairly consistent to me. The one anomaly I can remember is the end of first season, and that could easily be done by Pluto.
antimatterenergy wrote:When does someone die? I remember a lot of talking about how if they don't put the heart crystal back someone will die but don't remember seeing someone die. Several people almost died becuase the Uranus and neptune were willing to allow someone to die (they say stuff like too bad about the girl but we need the talismens) but I don't reacall anyone actually dying.
No one died. The closest to dieing from lack of PHC where Sailor Moon, Chibi-Usa, Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune, and some girl that does not really matter. Chibi had Tuxy keeping her alive. Moon had Saturn keeping her alive. U&N lived because of the talismans, and the just really cut it close with the person who didn't really matter(not that U&N would have likely cared if she had died).
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Postby EdenB » Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:49 am

Shadell wrote:Those are normal cops. YOu would be talking about a specially trained team here that was constantly monitering the senshi. They would know immediatly when anything happened and would probably be able to take out someone. Additionaly the senshi find out about a lot of enemy hide outs through luck, and some through investigation. A goverment team would probably identify the youma much easier then the senshi, given that they would presumably have some training in actual investigation.

They'd have to find out the Senshi's identities to constantly monitor them. It is back in time somewhat so there's less camera's to catch them, not so much in the way of satalite tracking and monitoring energy too.
They'd not know immediately what happened, since they'd have to find some way to track the monsters before it happened, or find out as soon as they appear or track the senshi which we've already gone over problems with. Almost all the time the senshi just happen across the monster of the day too. It's rare that they have to track a monster down.
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Postby Shadell » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:57 am

antimatterenergy wrote:No Sailormoon definately used the crystal and caused the reset. It was a pretty big scene with her wishing to be a normal school girl and such. Also Pluto doesn't appear until later.
The Sailors rarely talk about Crystal Tokyo that's why we know so little about it so how would the government find out about it?
Where do they transform that has security camera's? Mostly they transform outside and the only places that would have security cameras in the mid 1990's would be inside stores, banks, and museums and I don't think they ever transformed in those places.

They have on occasion transformed in large malls and various buildings that would be likely to have security cameras.
No one died. The closest to dieing from lack of PHC where Sailor Moon, Chibi-Usa, Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune, and some girl that does not really matter. Chibi had Tuxy keeping her alive. Moon had Saturn keeping her alive. U&N lived because of the talismans, and the just really cut it close with the person who didn't really matter(not that U&N would have likely cared if she had died).

Could be wrong about this, since I don't actually have the episode, but the first time Uranus and Neptune showed up, I think the victim of the week didn't make it.
Oh and I suppose that the government could put up cameras all over the place randomly in hopes of catching the senshi but they don't know that the senshi even have secret identities and would have to rely on luck to catch their transformation. They also have no reason to think that the senshi have secret identities because the enemies can teleport so they would most likely assume that the sailor scouts do as well since they aren't there after the battle and they just happen to show up where the monsters are (and they aren't wearing masks).
Her wish was granted for two months according to what luna and artimis say in the first episode of R. They get their memories back when Luna reawakens there memories so as to fight a cardian.
And Sailormoons crystal seems to be able to do anything she wants it to do.

She wasn't able to beat Wiseman with one. Additionaly if it can do ANYTHING she wants it too, creating an actual utopia would be possible.
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:53 pm

Zwzn wrote:If the wish was granted there would have been no reason for them to become senshi again after season 1.

Right... and the crystal is - somehow, don't ask me how - able to locate, throughout the entirety of time and space, every being that may come to Earth, identify whether it may be a threat to Usagi being a normal girl, and destroy them all. The crystal's power is finite - she can't just go around and vaporize threats like Galaxia, Galaxia is stronger than her.
The crystal is not omniscient, nor omnipotent. It can only operate off the commands Usagi gives it. Usagi wanted to be a normal girl - it removed the world's memories of the time when she wasn't, but it couldn't identify all the threats it would have needed to destroy because Usagi didn't know they existed. Even assuming it had the power.
just really cut it close with the person who didn't really matter

Unazuki Furuhata. Motoki's little sister.
(not that U&N would have likely cared if she had died).

Radical misjudgement of U/N's personalities, check.
Shadell wrote:Could be wrong about this, since I don't actually have the episode, but the first time Uranus and Neptune showed up, I think the victim of the week didn't make it.

Nope, the first victim in S was Rei. Second was... some kid. Third - the one where Uranus/Neptune finally introduced themselves - was a friend of Haruka, and he made it.
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Postby Tovath » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:08 pm

They have on occasion transformed in large malls and various buildings that would be likely to have security cameras.

If they did have security cameras in those places then they would be claosed cirect cameras that would be destroyed in the fight. Jupder could actudently fry their cirects with a surpreme thunder for exsample.
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Postby Shadell » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:40 pm

Tovath wrote:If they did have security cameras in those places then they would be claosed cirect cameras that would be destroyed in the fight. Jupder could actudently fry their cirects with a surpreme thunder for exsample.

Every single time... Unlikely, given that they don't cause all that much collateral damage, and they haven't really knocked out the electricity anywhere.
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Postby Zwzn » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:44 pm

Zwzn wrote:(not that U&N would have likely cared if she had died).

Pale Wolf wrote:Radical misjudgement of U/N's personalities, check.

They would have just shrug off her death as unavoidable, and just carry on as if she never was. They where willing to let one of their best friends be attacked without a second thought. They wouldn't have really cared if someone they didn't even know was killed. They are stupd, back stabing, and the ownly things they care about each other, power, and personal glory. Everything else is expendable to them.
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Postby EdenB » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:05 pm

Zwzn wrote:They would have just shrug off her death as unavoidable, and just carry on as if she never was. They where willing to let one of their best friends be attacked without a second thought. They wouldn't have really cared if someone they didn't even know was killed. They are stupd, back stabing, and the ownly things they care about each other, power, and personal glory. Everything else is expendable to them.

They did actually show remorse as they were dying at the end of StarS for killing Saturn and Pluto for their plan to defeat Galaxia when it didn't work. Their mission seems to be the most important thing to them, though they're willing to betray, kill, or do whatever else to complete it. I can't think of any examples where they care about personal glory, though you could argue the fight at the end of S was to see if Moon had enough power to be worth following perhaps.
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Postby Shadell » Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:32 pm

Zwzn wrote:They would have just shrug off her death as unavoidable, and just carry on as if she never was. They where willing to let one of their best friends be attacked without a second thought. They wouldn't have really cared if someone they didn't even know was killed. They are stupd, back stabing, and the ownly things they care about each other, power, and personal glory. Everything else is expendable to them.

They were judged as pure hearted enough to carry the talismans. IE: They don't value power or personal glory, rather they were willing to do what they felt was right, and would sacrifice almost anything to meet that moral standard. Of course it is a similar trait to the terrorists who would sacrifice their own lives to blow up a building, so it isn't necassarily a good thing.
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