Ranma/Sailor moon fusion help version 2

[Noy Telinú]

Thanks, I'm leaning towards the manga in this sense dye to it being more sensible.

Disguise magic is still Fanon, right?

[Crescent Pulsar S]

Yes. No matter how one tries to rationalize it, it's never mentioned in canon and always assumed to exist. That's not to say that there's any real problem with using it. Do whatever you feel will be more contributive/convenient for your plot. Though it's probably easier to use if going by the anime, as there's actual contradictory evidence for the idea in the manga.

[Noy Telinú]

I'm doing it in a both way.

It works on anyone not in Nerima. Or doesn't believe in the supernatural. So far, it's just Michiru who couldn't figure it out until Akane said she was Akane.

Nerima is just THAT used to insanity so they end up connecting the dots very easily. Except the few who are more grounded and think that's it's impossible to do things like lift a refrigerator with one hand or twill so fast you create a vortex on the ice.

[Spica75]

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So, unless you practice it a ton, the loudness of saying it affects the intensity of the attack?

That wasn't a smart design, whoever designed these powers. More like power limiters.

It´s magic. If you read about it, how clearly you speak it and thereby define the spell in some way, directly affects the result.
It´s part of the "theory of magic" thing.

I need to know this because Akane in this fic wants be be special so bad that she tries to get inspiration from mass media, including Lucky Star and Haruhi.

She WILL question the why of these things when the attacks start getting better. I need an answer that can be said.

Well, you could let her figure out that she CAN do it anyway. With or without having a reduced effect depending on how you want to do it.

Me, first of all i consider it an assist for readers/viewers, so i´m not very strict on having them shout it or say it or anything. And in my Naruto-story i´m pretty much going the route that practise removes/reduces the need. Ie, it´s just another way to help them get things done exactly right, a focus.

Sure, but then your enemy knows that something is coming and can DODGE! For defenders of a queendom, that seems really, really not smart.

CAN they dodge the magic? Or can they only dodge whoever launched the magic(because as long as they focus on it, they can still control it to some degree?)? In the second case, being given a bit of extra time to react becomes much less advantageous.
Also, again it´s at least partly an assist for viewers, like with transforming, i consider that to be near instant, all the pretty swirling is just a lightshow for viewers...

Not to mention that at least with guns, you can't really dodge them and once you hear it its too late.

You can dodge people´s aim, and if you are aware of people pointing guns at you, you can see when they are pulling the trigger. Someone very good at this can make it look like they´re dodging bullets.

And, bullets are very small and very few guns are truly accurate beyond a surprisingly short range. So just moving around means a shooter will have to be quite good to be sure to hit.
Like is mentioned in some books on self defense, if running away from someone with a gun, dont bother zig-zag or something like that, distance is more likely to keep you from getting hit as long as you avoid running in a perfectly straight line away from the shooter. And even if you do, if you can get >25m away, chances are still good that any untrained person will miss. I wouldn´t though...

The other thing that confused me, how DOES the bubbles work anyway? Who can see and who can't in that?

IIRC, all senshi will see through them. Maybe, sometimes that seems to be how it is, sometimes only Mercury, sometimes noone etc.. Might be flexible use or plotbased. Or perhaps depending on what other effect the bubbles may have at the moment.

[Noy Telinú]

Hmmm... That is a good point.

The point about the gun is the sound vs shouting your attacks.

Yelling your attacks give the enemy a moment to prepare. You can sneak up behind someone and shoot without them knowing. Yelling an attack alerts the person.

Sure, against regular people or stupid people it's not a big deal. But against magical people or very fast people it's stupid.

That's the argument of Ranma vs SM, the senshi stand and fore mostly while Ranma goes hand to hand. Especially when they take their rime saying it.

Not to say the Ranma characters are any better in that department. But there's usually a reaction from the other due to it.

Just like in other things, yelling "reloading" is stupid gears of war. Unless you're messing with your enemy it's stupid.

That's my view, anyway.

[Crescent Pulsar S]

As far as I know, yelling their attacks doesn't contribute to the time that it actually takes to put said attacks into action. The anime just makes it seem like it takes a lot of time because it makes a big production out of it, but if it really took so much time there are plenty of examples where their target could have gotten out of the way in time had that really been the case. It's much the same with Ranma and other characters in Ranma 1/2, who have said their attacks (if at all) while they're already starting the attack, hitting with the attack, take their time to say it during the process, or even completely after the fact.

Also, some of their attacks are quite broad. Neptune's Submarine Reflection attack (requiring the use of the mirror), when directed straight up at a circus tent's canopy, blew through at least half of it. The tent in question was quite large from what I could tell, if the size of the people in the foreground versus the size of the tent in the distance was any indication. And the tent in question could fit a tower inside of it that could have been a hundred feet tall or more.

I've been going over various parts of the manga for this subject, and I encountered a few things of note. The first is that there are examples of the sailor senshi attacking without calling out the name of their attack, and it wasn't because attention had just been focused on them at the time of their attack. The second is that there is also an example of a baddie being alerted by an attack being called out, by Pluto of all people, despite attacking from behind.

In the end, while having a "report" that is heard too late would be nice for magic users, I still think the magic attacks do better than what guns have to offer when all is said and done. There's the amount of tactical options they offer, just to start. It can be expected that the range of at least some magic attacks would be greater, and we already know that they can affect a greater area. There's also the possibility that their trajectory can be altered or even controlled, and there are some examples of this (like with Moon's tiara). The magic attacks are also almost certain to impart more force and either move away, pierce or break through obstacles that bullets can't. So, really, in comparison to guns the magical attacks are powerful enough as they are without taking away the only possible downside they have.

Also, if in doubt of something's believability, lampshade it.

[Noy Telinú]

Lampshades, lampshades everywhere! That gives ke sone relief.

Ok. Next, why were the outers the ones raising Hotaru? I'm guessing because they found her after the rebirth, but having parents that wanted to kill you is very, very awkward.

[Crescent Pulsar S]

I think the reason is a bit different between the anime and the manga. Since I don't remember the events in the anime nearly as well as those in the manga (particularly since I have the manga on hand), I'll give a response based on the latter.

Hotaru had nothing negative to say on the subject of the past when she re-awoke as Saturn, and -- indeed -- showed no problem living with the outer senshi afterward, so we can reason that she has no hard feelings because she understands why they felt the need to kill her. Not only was she not supposed to be awakened, but it was their duty to make sure that she didn't.

Also, the outer senshi didn't decide to kill her because it was the easiest way, but because they felt it was the most realistic solution despite their feelings on the matter. They didn't think that their princess would see eye to eye with that assessment (because "must save everyone" isn't exactly based on rational judgement), and that's why they didn't want to work together, so they could get the dirty work -- that they thought necessary -- done. (You know, sacrifice one for the many.)

Mind you, they didn't go right out and snipe her when they found out who she was, because they knew that her body was already failing (as they told their princess and the inner senshi). They were probably hoping that they wouldn't have to do the job themselves, but that's just my guess.

This might be reflected in the part where Hotaru sees them (in civilian form, not as senshi) outside of her window, looking at her with pity (the sympathetic kind) instead of getting the job done. I say "might" because they fade away, and I can't say if Hotaru was having a vision or if they had really been there.

Beyond that, the outer senshi seemed very earnest in raising Hotaru. It could very well have been due to feelings of guilt, but most likely that they'd had feelings of wanting to be together like a family all along, which made them adopt Hotaru on the spot. That's the sense I got when I read how they had been living together since then, and how they felt that they could do it now that they no longer had a purpose/duty as senshi (which they felt was proven when they could no longer transform).

But if I had to break it down to the most simplest and believable answer, I'd stick with the first thing I said: Hotaru understood the situation and didn't take it personally.

[Noy Telinú]

That makes sense...

One of the stories that evolved into this fic I'm writing was one where Ranma, Ukyo, Akane, and Konatsu had to raise Hotaru... for some reason.

Mostly because of the awkwardness of what to call them.

"I have two mommys but one dresses like a boy and the other can't cook. Then sometimes it's 3 because one of my two daddies turns into a mommy and the other one dresses and acts like one... I don't think it's normal. But I love them very much . And Ranma-papa beats up all the bullies that tried to hurt me. ^_^ yay! Sometimes Akane-Moma wants to do it instead. So sensei, what do I write? O.o"

Yeah... I'm thinking of maybe the senshi as a whole care for her, but I'm still working on it.

Alright, is Artistes central control in the manga and if so, how did THAT happen? O_o

[Crescent Pulsar S]

...Artestis? Wha...? XD

Did you mean Artemis? And whether he was central control?

If so, no. There is no "central control" as such. If we take our cue from Sailor V, the prequel of Sailor Moon, even Artemis is taking his cues from someone (likely Queen Serenity's spirit or whatever from the computer on the moon). As far as a base of operations is concerned, the secret room/base of operations under the arcade would probably function as central control. The cats frequently operate from there if they're not with the senshi, and the senshi also put it to use on occasion.

[Spica75]

Lampshades, lampshades everywhere! That gives ke sone relief.

Ok. Next, why were the outers the ones raising Hotaru? I'm guessing because they found her after the rebirth, but having parents that wanted to kill you is very, very awkward.

Your words got me remembering a short oneshot fic i liked:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1539499/1/ (sailor Saturn has two mommies)
One persons take on that situation...

SPOILER - Show Spoiler

One day, Hotaru sits with Setsuna-Mama and Haruka-Papa and Michiru-Mama, and makes a wish on some falling stars. Michiru-Mama and Haruka-Papa think it's cute when Hotaru doesn't tell them what she wishes.

Hotaru knows her wish will someday come true. She's the Sailor Soldier of Death, after all. And while she may have two mommies, she has one very sharp scythe.

[Cheb]

, like with transforming, i consider that to be near instant, all the pretty swirling is just a lightshow for viewers...

Going by the movies,
1) They can launch their techniques with a simple "Hah!"
2) The projectile speed is something 20 to 50 meters per second. Try dodge that if you aren't super-fast!
3) The range is no less than 50 meters. Judging by how convoluted the resulting color beams were, the Senshi have at least some control over their techniques in mid-flight.
4) Most of their basic techniques (Fire Soul for sure) are kamehameha-like beams that could be swung around for cutting swaths of enemies.
Going by the anime canon, from the (rarely used, but still present outside POV):
5) The firing speed ranges from 200ms up to around 2 seconds (for Moon's slowest finishing moves). I'd say average 0.5 to 1 seconds.
6) Moon *definitely* can steer her tiara in mid-flight (requires concentration). Why shouldn't others?

The anime power levels:
- SM can finish a daimohn, after she gets her upgrade.
- Uranus + Neptune can finish a daimohn, attacking simultaneously (and that's pre-talismans). May require a repeat (IMO, mostly as plot dictates, to allow the monster say its parting words).
- The four inners cannot finish a daimohn and have to rely on Moon.

So, if we take SM as 100, then Uranus and Neptune are 50 each, and Inners are 15..20 on average. We could treat it as Outers being warriors, Inners being support units, and SM being Glass Wave Motion Gun.

P.S.
7) *All* Moon's high-level attacks are continuous beams that could be held for some time and swung around. There's usually a containment field of two opposing spirals, with some sort of particles speeding inside it. For "Moon Princess Halation" these are golden crescents. For "Moon Spiral Heart Ache", pink hearts. The stock footage ends with moon firing at the camera, the containment field forms spiral patterns centered on the scepter. Then the first particle advances rapidly, and that's all an average monster would ever see.
When fighting stronger opponents (rarely seen), Moon holds the beam longer. It either ends with a classic beam-o-war (MPH, against someone of Black Moon family). Or even refracts and hits something to the side (it's how Doorknobber, my favorite daimohn, died -- a collateral damage of the Moon's MSHA vs Eudial' Fire Buster beam-o-war.
The beam widens gradually, ending up approximately 0.75 meter in diameter (same as with Mars's Fire Soul).

P.P.S. If you go a little further, and postulate for your fic that he containment field forms instantly, sticking to the opponent and making the pink heart stream undodgeable.

[Crescent Pulsar S]

We could treat it as Outers being warriors, Inners being support units, and SM being Glass Wave Motion Gun.

Not to argue (just so we're clear on that), but I was putting them into those kinds of terms myself yesterday, and what I thought was that the inner senshi were like secret service agents and the outer senshi like navy seals. XD

[Noy Telinú]

Alright, THAT calms my nerves very much.

Sorry for the misspellings.

Alright, next, tux boy's reason for helping in the first place is because he has some sort of need to do it when SM is in danger, right? Would that be like a headache or a mittens or just a tingling spider sense or what?

[Cheb]

THere's a hole in my knowledge. I remember him being shown detransforming once, and, AFAIR, transforming once. Unfortunately, I can't remember if he teleports where he is needed as he transforms (which is a recurring theme for the Senshi in the manga, but is never seen in the anime), or is he simply unconsciously aware of when he'll be needed and sort wanders there Ryouga-stile.

Anyway, the most important thing: his mind is a mess. As a Tux, he can't remember who is he and why does he do that (only that Sailor Moon is kinda important). When detransforming back, he barely keeps memories of being Tux ("that weird dream again"). Add in the *vague* memories of past life. Add him kidnapped and brainwashed on top of that.
Seriously, people shouldn't bash him, but praise him for not ending in a mental institution.