Crescent Pulsar S wrote:...Of the image below, if it's available. It's the chapter where Sora's boobs grow suddenly and knock out that guy she's interested in. (Seemed memorable enough to help in finding it...) I'd like to compare them and see if they're saying the same thing or not.
Also, if anyone can make sense of the translation shown below, I'd like to hear it. It sounds like it could be a grandfather type paradox, to me. Potentially, at least. Like, if people expend energy trying to make their dreams come true, but they make a wish to make said dream come true, it's either some kind of pseudo-retroactive nabbing or they get energy that wasn't expended to make it happen. Also, is it just me, or does it sound like "expended energy" is the equivalent of toxic waste? I'm trying to figure out how they have a use for energy already consumed. Maybe I'm just ignorant, or missing something...
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:That seems awfully efficient... Maybe too efficient? I mean, to make the dream happen with a wish, the wish now replaces the expended effort. We're talking about something that can defy and/or change reality, and potentially enforce a wish indefinitely. Without knowing what is expended to make all that happen, now it doesn't sound efficient at all. One of the problems that I have with the explanation given by Hild is that they (both gods and demons) are open to destroying the very source of the energy they need. Sure, the cost is proportional to the wish, but that's rather ambiguous. It also suggests limitations between the cost and demand, and the problem with that is that even a single goddess has enough power to destroy the world by accident. Since there are who knows how many gods and demons, and I have a hard time seeing them get much out of the energy that humans don't use by using whatever method to make something they want to happen to happen sooner (and may not have been achievable by them at all; Keiichi, for instance, whose wish was only possible once the object of his wish appeared for the very first time), it just doesn't make much sense to me.
I wish it worked like electromagnetic induction. ;/
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:The universe seems to be dependent on Yggdrasil, at least after/while the universal superstring is destroyed. That kind of tech would seem to infer something greater than what was mentioned with Tech III. Although I don't know how the tech, in relation to harnessing energy, is related to how a goddess can destroy an Earth-sized planet due to a power surge. The problem I have is that they can do all that, and who knows what else, but they somehow get that energy from granting the wishes of humans, and only a mere fraction of them at that (which I'm assuming is the case since the world would be very different if most or all of them got wishes).
As a side note: if memory serves me well enough, Vegeta could have destroyed Earth during his first visit, and his power level was below one-hundred thousand at the time. Much later, their power levels are in the millions. Z isn't all that impressive compared to that, although I can't say that I recall much in the way of a battle happening.
Maximara wrote:You are forgetting that the whole plan in the Tenchi OVA was to create something more powerful then the three goddesses who had created the entire Tenchi universe together. Z was Tokami's "entry" so to speak, Tenchi was Tsunami's and I suspect Ryoko was Washu's.
LawOhki wrote:I think you're confusing things up with qualifications not needed.
Yggdrasil is not part of/bound to the rules of normal reality. It is the thing that is running reality. If it says that you would have expended X amount of energy to get something and a wish is made to do it instantly, then it allocates that much energy to whichever group made the wish.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote: LawOhki:I think you're confusing things up with qualifications not needed.
Yggdrasil is not part of/bound to the rules of normal reality. It is the thing that is running reality. If it says that you would have expended X amount of energy to get something and a wish is made to do it instantly, then it allocates that much energy to whichever group made the wish.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:...I don't see how that can be correct. Even if I'm looking at things from a Newtonian perspective, as you say, it's only because of relating how things work in Aa! Megami-sama! Or, if you're comparing the events that happened between Aa! Megami-sama! and Stargate, and that's not Newtonian, yet I'm clearly basing what I say from the former, then how is it I have a Newtonian perspective? It's not making any sense to me.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Since what happened in Aa! Megami-sama! and Stargate are different, however, there's also a problem with the comparison you're making. I've seen that episode of Stargate, and I'm pretty sure that's not what would have happened in Aa! Megami-sama!; time would have literally paused, instantly, like a switch being flipped. There was even a program/spell that rewound an individual's time specifically. (One application was meant to rewind Keiichi back until he ceased to exist, but both instances of its use were on goddesses, and they can't have their time rewound until they cease to exist because they're eternal or whatever.)
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:The universe seems to be dependent on Yggdrasil, at least after/while the universal superstring is destroyed.
Maximara wrote:In Newtonian physics time is an absolute: the passage of time on Earth is exactly the same as it is on Jupiter or the Moon. And anything that effects time in one part of the universe would effect time in the exact same way everywhere else. Einstein threw that model out the window.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Well, if there's a problem with Yggdrasil being able to substitute and reconstruct the superstring, take that up with Fujishima. I'm only relating canon.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:So, regressing someone via the rewinding of time, without traveling through time or affecting the past, isn't a problem because it's a trope? :O
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Fujishima doesn't adhere to Newtonian physics. This is just a demonstration of how much control Yggdrasil has over the third dimension, and thus how it normally operates, by "making time stop." It's just that the section/block that's functionally connected with the third dimension will be affected as well.
Maximara wrote:I'm just saying that if Yggdrasil can do that then it is has to be a minimum of 9 dimensions in space
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Well, when I said that Fujishima doesn't adhere to Newtonian physics, I didn't mean that he was faithful to anything else. While he uses physics often enough, and even quantum physics, he also incorporates fantasy/supernatural elements into them.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Maximara=I'm just saying that if Yggdrasil can do that then it is has to be a minimum of 9 dimensions in space.
It never specifies what dimension the gods are from, but I reckon it's higher than three. For instance, the goddesses on Earth need to "constantly regenerate their atomic structure" so third dimensional beings can see them.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Also, it might be worth noting that Norse mythology has nine worlds.
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