Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby ijp92 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:52 pm

^shouldn't "Aunt Ranko" fics be under a differrent thread though?
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Spokavriel » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:55 pm

Depends on "Aunt Ranko"'s situation. If the Jusenkyo curse is effecting the lives of the children beyond just Ranma being a woman they fit here.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Noy Telinú » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:31 pm

So... if Ranma has to keep aunt Ranko a secret from her kids and they treat her like that, it affects them due to losing time being with his kids even if he is.

But if they DO know and just saying it instead of Dad for LOLZ or something else, than no?
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Spokavriel » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:34 pm

Your judgement on if the curse impacts the lives of the kids There are too many Ranko fics where it really seems to make no difference at all
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Noy Telinú » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:36 pm

In Ranma chan the cat, it will eventually impact the kids due to Ranma being a cat! >_<

But you're looking for a consequence of that, either good or bad. (Or anguish)
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Spokavriel » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:38 pm

If the kids are having to live with the fact and have a lifestyle that is different from normal kids that is impacting them. If Ranma were say constantly female then it has to be different than kids growing up in a household either without a father or with two moms.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Noy Telinú » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:43 pm

I see, I see...

The biggest problem is that many fics, canon, and I don't really care and treat things like this as an everyday occurrence. Those that DO get into this are very wangast and whinny sounding... usually.

So... as I said, best chance is the Children fic as it tears the boy apart and Ranma makes things worse in his eyes.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Té Rowan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:03 pm

Té Rowan wrote:I'm having a major bugger of a bother finding it, but there is a story where Ranma's grilf throws out or abandons both him and their baby girl, leaving him (or, rather, her) to raise Ami Mizuno on hir own. And, yes, it's an R/SM cross.

I found it again. I just didn't remember enough about it to come up with good search terms. It's laqjr's "Hailstorm", the version on Mediaminer. The version on The-Place-That-Must-Not-Be-Named does not show the parting of ways.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby ijp92 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:30 am

for the curse being passed down:
Jonabee Fanfic by JonaBee

For the curse causing parents to lie:
Fate by RedMenace
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(specifically in the grain of "Aunt Ranko")
Demiglace Graffiti by ToastedPine
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby khammel » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:16 pm

One of my favorites it the oneshot The Substitute by Kara Ohki.

And if you can find Nick Leifker's "Black Lemonade", well... more power to you. Not just for curses, but Ranma and Akane's epic birth competition. :) Warning. The father of both children is... well.. not Ranma.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Shadou » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:20 am

I actually had a rather lengthy discussion with Weebee, one of the authors involved in the collaborative account JonaBee (Jonakhensu and Weebee collaborate on all of the fics on that account). We came to the conclusion that there is actually no canonical evidence to support the idea that curses are hereditary, and that the only thing in canon that could give the idea that curses ARE hereditary is the whole nightmare sequence where Ranma's visualizing a future in which Akane got together with Ryoga, and the kids turned into piglets when they got splashed with water. Being a nightmare sequence and not really a true vision of the future, we had to disregard that as being canon support for the idea.

Another discussion we had involving the Joketsuzoku outsider laws, while it wasn't directly discussed how it related to hereditary curses, leads me to think that there would be more cursed Joketsuzoku running around if curses were hereditary. Shampoo can't be the only amazon that's failed to bring back a runaway husband, especially when you consider that the whole 'obstacles is for killing' mindset only leads to a chain reaction of death, especially in modern times. If someone gets back to civilization, and goes through legal channels to keep the trailing amazon away from him, the amazon would be forced to turn back and would get cursed. If she kills the police officer that would no doubt try to stop her from escaping with her prize, more policemen would be sent. If she kills those, too, the military might be sent out. If there's a village that has a reputation for kidnapping men and forcing them into marital servitude... well, as powerful as the martial artists in the Joketsuzoku village are, they won't stand a chance if the military decides to carpet bomb the valley. This might not have been as much of a problem when the world was less civilized, but times have changed and the village hasn't.

So, where I'm going with all this, is as times changed, more husband hunts would end in failure, more amazons would be cursed. Unless there's some law about cursed individuals no longer being eligible for marriage (which, if I think about it, would exclude Ranma from the kiss of marriage since the one that delivered it is no longer eligible to marry), there should be offspring of cursed amazons running around. If the curse is hereditary, those offspring would be cursed. If this went on for a generation or two, then the entire Joketsuzoku village could be cursed. Or there would be a 'pureblooded' and 'cursed' schism in the village, with purebloods not wanting to muddy their gene pool with cursed individuals. In either case, we don't see that in the Amazon village, so I don't think curses are hereditary at all.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Spokavriel » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:41 am

You do know the concept of a hereditary curse is not a requirement for this search right? The fact of the parent having the curse impacting on the life of the child is what matters. Sure a hereditary curse would count but that isn't the only way a parent being cursed could impact the kids.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Noy Telinú » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:48 am

Ah, while that does make logical sense, The Musk did make things interesting.

Canon states that if you throw an animal into the spring of drowned girl and lock it, the children inherit traits from the original animal.

So, if Ranma got pregnant, 3 things could happen.

1, there is no effect and the children are normal.

2, due to being male human, the children end up a bit more masculine, or some other odd thing that leans more male.

3, they inherit something else animalistic in Ranma's past... minimally Either monkey (That monkey DID look a lot like Ranma... is Ranma descendent from musk? Could explain some things...) cat (while not a possession, SOMETHING went wrong with that, either cat dna, or some weird brain thing.) or another guess.

And lets go further, lets say we lock Shampoo, then throw her into the spring of drowned girl, then lock her again, does her daughters end up as catgirls? O_o

So while the curse doesn't transfer, canon says the offspring do carry traits if the circumstances are right.

What of males? What if you throw one animal into the spring of drowned man and the other into the girl one? Can you make hybrid animals? O_O

Spokavriel wrote: You do know the concept of a hereditary curse is not a requirement for this search right? The fact of the parent having the curse impacting on the life of the child is what matters. Sure a hereditary curse would count but that isn't the only way a parent being cursed could impact the kids.


Right... I only really know children that it affects them that way, plus the ones where they need to hide the curse... hold on, there's a deviantart comic...

http://ranmaonehalf.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=72#/d2cr1zl It has Ranma and Ryoga having the curses affect Ranma's kids by using it to entertain them.... and stuff.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Spokavriel » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:28 am

It took many generations born of the same animal to get animal traits ending up in the children. That is why Lime and Mint are said to be of certain clans. They kept the same animal for wives over and over again. There is no evidence of less than that passing on any noticeable traits. So if you find a way to make a child of a drowned girl spring drowned young girl marry Ranma and have kids.. That would be a massive stretch but at least then there would be a chance.
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Re: Jusenkyo cursed Parent(s)

Postby Spica75 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:37 am

We came to the conclusion that there is actually no canonical evidence to support the idea that curses are hereditary

I think the case isn´t so much about "is the curse hereditary" but rather "could the curse be hereditary under special conditions".
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