You cannot really count Akane's abilities under a external influence or power up.
That's why I said I was probably looking into it too much, but I still think that the observation presents a possibility, not impossibility.
You cannot really count Akane's abilities under a external influence or power up.
Akane (under normal power) is shown using ladders.
es, but not to the point where it´s made clear what kind of level of proficiency or strength she actually is(if any). (compared to Ranma/Akane etc i mean)
LawOhki wrote:Probably comes from volume 17 where the engagement goes to Nabiki and this happens.
start and then important bit
At the very least Nabiki is physically unable to safely land a drop from the second floor.
PCHeintz72 wrote:Nabiki is certainly not shown to be as skilled or as strong or as far along in her training as Akane.. but she manages to survive in Nerima, despite all the antics, the plots, and the obvious money making schemes throughout the story. We see her exercising, and it is obvious she keeps in shape... She is shown easily keeping ahead of Ranma on a bike. I *cannot* take her as normal and untrained... merely not trained to the superhuman standards we see so often in others in the series.
However... that does *not* mean I can simply see a canon Nabiki able to just instantly start duplicating Ranma's techniques, or those of the others. Certainly a story can be made with her learning them... I've read several good ones over the years. but her able to just pull it off would not be to me overly believable.
PCHeintz72 wrote:Akane (under normal power) is shown using ladders. Pretty sure Kuno the same (I know he cannot in anime continuity, cannot recall offhand if he can or cannot in manga continuity). Kodachi, Shampoo, and Ukyo are never shown having that issue, Ranma and his father do not have that issue, Cologne does not have that issue, nor Ryoga or Mousse. I think I recall one time she actually climbed up (not jump or use a ladder)... in a confrontation with the other fiancées, whom were already up there. The only other one whom I am uncertain on is Soun...
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Or, maybe it's because she can take that kind of fall? Dun-dun-dunnnn!
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Why didn't anyone who saw Ranma learning the kachu tenshin amaguriken not take it upon themselves to copy what they observed? A lot of people saw it, including those you might expect would like to improve themselves as a martial artist (for whatever reason that might be). How come only Ryoga learned the bakusai tenketsu, even though it also seems like a useful technique? Even more so, why didn't anyone else ever learn the hiryu shoten ha? Not only did a lot of people get involved and learn how it worked, but it was supposedly the kind of technique that you don't go spreading around all willy-nilly.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Mmmm... Fishstick kitties.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:I'm not sure if that answered whether you agree that there's a great enough difference between Nabiki and Ranma or not. I believe this is still positing whether Nabiki should have evaded Ranma in the hedge maze if she didn't have sufficient enough abilities to do so against the upper part of the top 1%.
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:Kasumi manages to survive, too, despite seeming even less capable of taking care of herself than Nabiki. That doesn't necessarily mean that it has anything to do with their physical capabilities. It could just as well be a matter of luck and/or intelligence.
Cheb wrote:From the overall observations, I think that Nabiki is an one-trick pony.
She is very good at running away. And what she is ever seen to train is her running ability.
Spica75 wrote:Because they CANNOT be easily copied, just like that.
:lol:
She has SOME ability at least for certain, and she sure is more sneaky than Ranma. And being able to think in the middle of action can help a lot.
Kasumi gets underestimated a lot because she´s softspoken and "beside the action" all the time. But thing is, how does she always manage to stay on the sideline so well? Just that alone is a decent hint that she simply cannot be guileless and "weak".
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:So, when [Kasumi] so effortlessly gave Akane that barbell, which she had somehow hidden in her nightgown since going to bed, it wasn't just a gag? And she must have an arsenal, either tucked away or on her person, considering how she also had an Akane-grade (TM!?) mallet to give said sister while she was on her way out the door that one time.
Most people tend to rate Ukyo fairly low, but as you say she still has no problem taking to the roofs, and for example her unarmed vs Akane i would probably bet on the latter... So, just looking at individual feats or skills does not an overall skill estimation make.
PCHeintz72 wrote:Never meant to imply a single skill was a benchmark, I merely used it as an example
Crescent Pulsar S wrote:So, you assume that every single person would be discouraged by varying degrees of effort?
Did someone get my reference!?
Well, unless Ranma is supremely stupid... Which is possible. <_<;
So, when she so effortlessly gave Akane that barbell, which she had somehow hidden in her nightgown since going to bed, it wasn't just a gag? And she must have an arsenal, either tucked away or on her person, considering how she also had an Akane-grade (TM!?) mallet to give said sister while she was on her way out the door that one time.
Spica75 wrote:More like the vast majority of people don´t have the prerequisite training/skill/ability to learn a lot of those "special moves".
That is after all the reason real world martial arts tend towards rank systems where you just do not progress until you manage certain things, as you will need those skills to be able to learn what comes next.
I'll have to disagree with the prerequisites excuse, for the most part. While some of the characters who know about the techniques, how they work and how one is trained to learn them aren't ready for sticking their hands in fire or getting hit with boulders much larger than themselves, what's truly stopping them from working up to that level?
The hiryu shoten ha -- aside from the shishi hokodan/moko takabisha -- has a much easier entry level, and even more characters know about it. All of its parts can be practiced from the start until mastery, and their difficulty ultimately depends on the person.
Spica75 wrote:Knowing how to do it? And being able to perform the training for it? Not to mention knowing how to train something?
For example, i know how to do a number of martial arts moves, that i however unfortunately do not know how to train for, so even though i technically know how to do them, i can´t actually do them for real. And then there´s some that i know how to train for, but i am simply not capable of perfoming said training.
Those are some seriously big hurdles to get past, and the less information you have, and the less ability you have, the less likely you are to be able to work it out.
Except it involves some VERY advanced ki-manipulation. Not to mention being good enough defensively to be able to do the spiral thing.
And seriously, do you have any idea just how difficult it is just to lead someone around in a fight?
Where is the evidence that it involves very advanced ki-manipulation, much less any at all? I don't remember any part where the ki is directly manipulated.
(And, of course, the other ki-manipulation technique that we know of relies on emotions as well, and doesn't seem to involve doing anything more than willing the ki out through the hands.)
Even if it's difficult, the only thing stopping someone -- assuming they're not handicapped in some way -- is the will to do what's necessary to reach their goal.
Do you have any idea of what the world would be like if it was impossible for anyone to accomplish anything just because it was difficult, as if the words "learn" or "practice" didn't exist? To think that something difficult would stop someone from changing that is a lame argument. Your logic is akin to do or die; there's no in-between or ability to transition.
Is it really that hard to figure out the techniques in question?
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