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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Cheb » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Smells of hardware problems to me. Image
Maybe its cable is on the verge of breaking (usually happens near at or inside the mouse, broken wire not visible externally)
Or there's a bad contact in the USB port / mouse connector.
Or there's a problem with motherboard, its south bridge overheating.
Or there's a problem with the Power Supply Unit that is barely holding under load. I had a funniest glitch with USB back in 2009, which resolved to a crappy PSU. I never use anything less than Thermaltake since them, 550 Watts minimum, 700+ Watts for my gaming machine. Are you aware that most manufacturers bullshit you with the wattage number? Also, the quality of assembly is a thing man was not meant to know. Once you crack your "trusty" PSU open, your hair is bound to turn gray. Come on, there's no such thing as too much caution with the PSUs. If this thing breaks, it fries your entire system. Including your hard drive with all ur data Image
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby PCHeintz72 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:47 pm

Dumbledork wrote:I have a problem with my USB mouse. The damn thing stops working periodically, but when I unplug and replug it it works again for a while.

Somehow this only happens when World of Warcraft is running.

Does it work fine in a different USB port... and do other devices work fine in that port.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Dumbledork » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:50 pm

I'll try using a different port. Thx for the suggestion.

But it's strange that it seems only to happen while WoW is running.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:21 pm

Dumbledork wrote:But it's strange that it seems only to happen while WoW is running.

If WoW is the most computation-intensive program you run, it would put more stress on the motherboard and the power supply. In that case, your mouse would be the straw that (fortunately) tipped over and fell off the camel's back.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Dumbledork » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:34 pm

Often I have BitComet and eMule running at the same time. So yeah, there's probably a lot of stress.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Spica75 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:20 pm

Dumbledork wrote:I have a problem with my USB mouse. The damn thing stops working periodically, but when I unplug and replug it it works again for a while.

Somehow this only happens when World of Warcraft is running.


It MAY go away if you reinstall windows... Yeah i know, not a funny suggestion is it, leave it for when nothing else can be done.

This thing happened on my old system, windows/drivers issue. Took forever and ever to figure out and fix.
Sadly this is not so rare a problem. And with a number of possible solutions.

If you have drivers for the mouse, remove and reinstall. Or remove and NOT reinstall(instead only using windows default drivers, especially Logitech and Razer are infamous for wonky drivers).
You can also try removing and reinstalling USB drivers.
Check BIOS so that you do not have power saving(or Advanced Power Management) for USB set to activated.
You might need a BIOS update(be very careful with this though).
If you have external HDDs connected via the same USB, try disconnecting them.
Is it an old MS Optical Wheel Mouse? A few batches of those were flaky.


AND, you can just do what i did until i figured it out, get an extension cable so you can have the connection right next to the mouse and unplug it and plug it back in superfast. :wink:



Cheb wrote:I never use anything less than Thermaltake since them, 550 Watts minimum, 700+ Watts for my gaming machine. Are you aware that most manufacturers bullshit you with the wattage number? Also, the quality of assembly is a thing man was not meant to know. Once you crack your "trusty" PSU open, your hair is bound to turn gray. Come on, there's no such thing as too much caution with the PSUs.

My Corsair VX 450W was tested by a hardware site( or 3 ) to be able to provide 600W constantly without flinching or even causing any instability. If it wasn´t for my 120W gfx card in this (gaming) system, i could run it with a 250-350W PSU no problem.

As long as you get a PSU from a GOOD maker, you do NOT need and should not use a PSU with too high wattage. Why? Because PSUs are made to work optimally within a range of loading, so if you have a system drawing 300W and a 700W PSU, you might actually get instability because the system puts such low load on the PSU.
Also, a low load usually means the PSU conversion ratio goes into the gutters, my PSU runs at around 85-90% as it does now, but if i had let´s say a 750W instead, with this load it´s ratio would drop probably down to around 75%, and with a bad PSU, that ratio might fall down as far as even below 50%. What that would actually MEAN, is that if your system draws 250W(normal for a desktop with some frills, or a simple gaming system almost like mine), then at the wallsocket, the PSU is drawing 500W or more. That can be plenty enough to be noticed on the electricity bills.

Thermaltake is pretty good nowadays, but not the best.
Antec has managed to stay reliable and fairly highend for a long time.
Seasonic tends to be top notch(as long as you only buy stuff from them that is clearly marked by their own brandname, because they also make lots of cheap stuff under other names).
FSP group and Enermax are generally reliable and pretty good.
Super Flower tends to be good.
Silverstone tend to be icky pricy because they also tend to be very high quality.
Zalman is usually ok or better but they buy from several manufacturers(those they get from FSP group tends to be good quality).
Still, i picked my Corsair for a reason... Best i could find that didn´t break the bank account. :mrgreen:

I refuse to even touch OCZ. They have gotten better, but it´s still hit n miss, total random with their PSUs if you get a good or a bad one.


Please use this to check how much you actually NEED:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psuc ... orlite.jsp
And it´s rather funny that when i just tested the above, i got the result 330W minimum(and thats with a 25% security blanket for capacitor aging), 380W recommended Aaaand the specific ad recommendation was the Corsair CX 430W, which is essentially the newer "little brother" to the PSU i already have. :D
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Cheb » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:26 pm

250W(normal for a desktop with some frills, or a simple gaming system almost like mine)

Oh. Uh. :oops: My game pc has a 190 Watt video card. Add a power hungry AMD processor (I couldn't help it, I wanted ECC support but beside certain AMD models, only Intel Xeons have it. And these beasts are too expensive for my tastes). That's 125 Watt more. As a result, CPU burn test + furmark = a powerful jet of hot air from a roaring turbo fan, UPS indicating 620VA of load (which is not exactly Watts, but I believe it equals 550Wt or more). Hell, I sometimes use it to warm my room during chill weather :?

So, 750 or 850 Wt (I don't remember exactly) with a 1000 VA UPS.

I just checked my favorite shop's website. The upper limit for PSUs is 1275 Wt :lol:

i could run it with a 250-350W PSU no problem.

I just checked my favorite shop's website. The lower limit is a... 300 Wt Gembird for $12. Yes, twelve dollars. The horror :cry: To think I used to be poor and use exactly crap like this.

[...]Antec, Zalman, Corsair[...]

Noted.

[...]Seasonic, Super Flower, Silverstone[...]

Huh, I never heard about these. [scratching da head] Nothing in the shop, either.
In my days working as support/admin in an university, I used to deal mostly with Inwin PowerMan models. Yuck. :x Performing autopsy on their dusty innards or shunting around a dead fan control module so that they stop overheating...

Hmm... Maybe I am simply traumatized by dealing with too many a super-cheap PSU? :roll:
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby PCHeintz72 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:55 pm

I can second Seasonic... Seasonic is also among the few upper brands to make good grade small sized power supplies for units like ITX and HTPC cases.

I have 2 homebrew Intel i5 HTPC units, one on each of my 2 entertainment centers. They are identical builds and double as backups for my 2 Synology NAS units. They are slimline ITX/Micro ATX cases rather than true cases meant for HTPC use. I wanted some expandability and better airflow.

The issue was at least when I was buying them, most HTPC cases in that size class are utter junk or overpriced. The ITX cases were better but I still did not like the power supplies and fans they came with.

And most 3rd party power supplies do not fit them. I tracked couple companies that had proper sized power supplies and went with Seasonic for the power supply and GelID for the fans.

The Seasonic weighed probably about 2 times the ones I pulled... but have given me no troubles whatsoever.

The GelID's were a pain to install, a little bit gimmicky (seriously, webbing on the power cables), but have worked flawlessly and are near silent.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Spica75 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:38 pm

Hmm... Maybe I am simply traumatized by dealing with too many a super-cheap PSU?

Probably. :mrgreen:

I just checked my favorite shop's website. The upper limit for PSUs is 1275 Wt

Usually for systems with 4 highend gfx cards running in Crossfire or Quad SLI. :wink:

I just checked my favorite shop's website. The lower limit is a... 300 Wt Gembird for $12. Yes, twelve dollars. The horror :cry: To think I used to be poor and use exactly crap like this.

*urgh*
My local store, cheapest they got is a 350W Antec for ~$50.

And when you´re poor, you REALLY have to make sure you don´t buy crap, or it wont last. When i need an ultracheap PSU, i tend to go find a Codegen one. For a budget PSU, they´re decent, never seen one that doesn´t at least work up to the rated wattage.

Huh, I never heard about these. [scratching da head] Nothing in the shop, either.

Seasonic is one of the biggest manufacturers (together with FSP group), they make a lot of the PSUs sold as both Antec and Corsair for example(and makes cheap ones under some lowend brandnames). Totally focused on just PSUs since formed in 1975. Never buy one of their´s sold under their name but without clearly branded with their name ( some stores try to sell their cheapskate stuff as highend ).

Super Flower is a bit too budget-y but usually good enough.

Silverstone aims PSUs, cases and some peripherals at enthusiasts and while not one of the bigger makers, they tend to be very serious about providing high quality stuff, but the pricetag is equally impressive most of the time. Don´t think i even heard of one of their PSUs going bad. Their "budget"-line models are roughly on the level of other makers highend stuff.

In my days working as support/admin in an university, I used to deal mostly with Inwin PowerMan models. Yuck. :x Performing autopsy on their dusty innards or shunting around a dead fan control module so that they stop overheating...

Inwin? :twisted: :lol:
Those are about as bad as some noname models.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Dumbledork » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:50 am

Bought a new computer today. Can't wait to get my hands on it. I think it's a great deal. You get a lot for not much money. 539 € + 40 € postage = 579 €

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00DU6X ... UTF8&psc=1

Here are the specifics of the computer

Prozessor: CPU: Intel® Core i5-3470, 4× 3200 MHz, Turbo Boost 2.0 Technologie mit bis zu 3600 MHz

Mainboard: ASUS P8H61-MX USB3 (1 x PCIe x16, 4 x SATA 3Gb/s, 1 x PS/2 keyboard/mouse, 1xDVI, 1xD-Sub, 1 x GBIT-LAN, 2xUSB 3.0, 2xUSB 2.0, 3xAudio jack)

Arbeitsspeicher: 8192 MB DDR3 PC-1333 RAM

Festplatte: 1500 GB SATA II HDD

DVD-Brenner: 22x Dual Layer Multiformat DVD-Brenner (CD-R, CD-RW, DVD±R, DVD±RW, DVD+R9 (DL))

3D-Grafikkarte: AMD Radeon HD 7750 4096 MB, DirectX 11 mit DVI, HDMI und VGA Ausgang (Leistungswerte siehe Bilder)

Gehäuse: Midi Tower (H: 40cm x B: 17cm x T: 43cm), Seitenteile einzeln abnehmbar, Farbe schwarz

USB 3.0: ja, 2x, sowie 5 x USB 2.0

Cardreader: CF-, SD- ,SDHC- ,M2-, MicroSD-, SM-, MMC-, MD-, MS-Card, inkl. USB 2.0 Port

Netzwerk: 10/100/1000 MBit/s Ethernet LAN, DSL fähig

Sound: integrierter OnBoard 5.1 Controller, HD Audio

Netzteil: 420W LC Power Super Silent Netzteil

Betriebssystem: Original Microsoft Windows 7 Premium 64 Bit SP1 (vorinstalliert und inkl. 32-Bit Installations-DVD zusätzlich)

Office: Office 2010 Starter (umfasst Word und Excel mit eingeschränktem Funktionsumfang, die Werbung enthalten)

Virenscanner und Internetschutz: Avira Free AntiVirus 2013 Vollversion
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Spica75 » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:29 am

Bought a new computer today. Can't wait to get my hands on it. I think it's a great deal. You get a lot for not much money. 539 € + 40 € postage = 579 €

Yup, looks like a good system.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Noy Telinú » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:26 pm

Alright my laptop would keep failing when I was online kicking me out of sessions and was annoying.

But then this happened.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Spica75 » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:44 pm

Noy Telinú wrote:Alright my laptop would keep failing when I was online kicking me out of sessions and was annoying.

But then this happened.

Ok, single biggest probable reason, you have a bad/old driver somewhere corrupting stuff.
Easiest thing to check however is wether you have issues with the RAM:
http://www.memtest.org/
As that seems to be 2nd most likely problem.

This was the most helpful thread i found about it:
http://www.sevenforums.com/bsod-help-su ... 000de.html
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Lioconvoy » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:57 pm

Quick question, are events durring Virus scans a good thing or a bad thing? Last night a Command promp window randomly popped up and then closed. Afterwards I updated my Kaspersky and set it to do a full Virus scan then went to bed. When I woke up I found the virus scan failed and that the compter had reset itself. I then started a new virus scan and it had less events than previous virus scans.
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Re: Computer related questions

Postby Cheb » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:30 am

1) If it's hardware failing, a virus scan can provoke... things. Would raise a lot of weird errors.
2) If it's Windows glitching due to a bad driver or corrupt something, symptoms would be the same as in 1)
3) If it's viruses going rampant and the scan fails, it means your system is compromised and viruses are taking your antivirus from behind right now.


1), 2) Diagnose what is failing (easier said than done) and fix it.
3). An iron-clad method is removing your HDD and attaching it to another computer to scan (via an SATA-to-USB adapter or directly). No matter how insiduous a virus is, its tricks won't work when a drive is attached as an extra drive to a reasonably protected system. Because no code is going to execute. Stealth, hiding in Windows innards - it all is useless when the Windows in question is not running. It's the same as when you attach your drive to a Linux machine, you can go and explore the "System Volume Information" folder like any other folder.

P.S. A bit of common wisdom: if the bases of your antivirus are older than a day or two, then your antivirus is about as effective as a condom that had been pierced with a needle. If the bases are a week or more old, you have no protection.

P.P.S. Use the code, Luke!
STOP error 0xDE means that a driver has corrupted pool memory that is used for holding pages destined for disk. STOP code 0x000000DE may also display "POOL_CORRUPTION_IN_FILE_AREA" on the same STOP message.
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