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Two story subplot ideas

Postby Cheb » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:03 pm

Not worth a fic, but may be useful as fic components.
1. Senshi using their own youma
Well, the youma/daimon is basically a thing filled with dark energy. I wonder, if Usagi can do the same, filling some thing with the Silver Imperium energy to create a youma of love and justice?..
The exact way to come to this may vary - from Mercury learning the method from her computer, to Luna's awakened memory, to someone just asking why Senshi don't use the same tactics as their enemies.
May lead to many funny moments, since if youma reflect their creator's personality then the ones created by Usagi won't be very bright :D The Russian ideom comes to mind, "a bear's help", meaning "more harm than good".

2. Genma as a tentacle demon instead of panda
Well, AFAIR, there was another way around, aka «Ranma the Amorous Oversexed Nympho», but this one, too, does have some potential.
I don't think this worth more than a one-sot full of panicked retreat... But it could be very funny - if somebody manages to fully use this idea's potential... :lol:
Like, I don't know, Ranma, Xian Pu and entire Amazon village running away in terror, becoming a friends in a need... and so on.
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Postby lwf58 » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:56 pm

Cheb, read the description of the Ideas folder on the home page. Your descriptions for the two ideas you posted don't meet the folder requirements.
I combined the two as a way of getting them closer to the folder requirements.
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Postby Hazard » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:00 pm

As youma are often considered to be energy vampires, I doubt Usagi would create such a thing, nor would she condone creating an essentially sentient being with the purpose of making it a slave and a weapon.
What I can imagine her doing is creating some golem like beings that can help them. The level of sentience and self-awareness that come along with such a thing however makes one think...
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Postby Cheb » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:03 pm

As youma are often considered to be energy vampires,

Well, youma from SM-verse technically ARE golems (or simulacrums, in some cases).
nor would she condone creating an essentially sentient being with the purpose of making it a slave and a weapon.

I doubt she would think of such. More probably, see her creations as a some kind of pokemons or pets. They are, after all, limited in their sentience.
As I see this, there is no need for her to make them her slaves, because they share her mindset and will always willingly do anything she would do herself. For the purity of experiment the author can even state that SM's youmas are just extensions of her own spirit, having no will on their own.
Yes, definitely. The pokemon analogy is very good.
And there's already a base. Some Senshi attacks have forms of semi-aware, homing dragons/phoenixes able to dodge counterattacks. There's just one step to creating an elemental. And if fusion with something mundane makes that elemental even stronger - why not?
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Postby Hazard » Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:43 pm

Elementals are usually considered a summon, instead of a crafting. This means that an Elemental is 'pulled' from it's home plane of existence into the Summoner's plane. A crafting creates a golem, a magical kind-a robot.
It's unknown what youma actually are, Takeuchi-san never gave a complete explanation, you are right however, I think, if you call the minions of the Black Moon Clan golems.
All other minions after the Dark Kingdom are, for so far I know, summoned (Ail & Ann), items animated by evil spirits (Pharao 90), or demons inhabiting a host body in some way or another (Galaxia).
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Postby Cheb » Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:55 pm

In anime, Nehelenia and that snow lady, forgot her name, used the simulacrums - sort of cloning themselves to create legions of their weak copies (of glass and snow, respectively). AFAIR, Uranus&Neptune even called the Nehelenia's ones "youma".
If Usagi could do the same, it would lift all the ethic questions.
By the way, *what* would be an elemental if summoned by Usagi? What matter it should consist of? For the others it's fairly simple: water/ice one for Mercury, some lightning-throwing treant for Jupiter, a golden centurion for Venus and a common, utterly standard fire elemental for Mars.
But what a creature Sailor Moon would bring forth? A planetar?
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Postby Hazard » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:08 pm

I don't know, I'm not into D&D or similar RPG's, but from what I know of Alignments, Usagi's elemental/similacrum creature is either Lawful Good or Neutral Good.
Jupiter, difficult, her mainstay of magic is lightning based so an air-elemental flinging truly large amounts of highpower lightning is a good choice. If you do make it a Treant-like being, it must be some kind of oak, as the oak is Holy to the Roman god Jupiter.
Venus isn't easy either, but some kind of Cherub like being as a minion type summon would be interesting. Keep in mind that the Senshi are linked to their planets, with Venus' atmosphere nearly 100 times as dense as the Earth's on sealevel, consisting for 95% out of carbon dioxide. It's surface temperature is always at around 400 degrees centigrade too... Because of these conditions, I find it believable that a Venereal air elemental is probably made up of an essentially toxic mix of gasses while using attacks that are more in line with a water elemental than an air elemental. It's probably pretty hot and seemingly glowing too.
Mercury... This one is very interesting, bringing to mind the fleet-footed messenger god of Roman fame, the only metal that is liquid at 20 degrees centigrade as well as the rock closest to the sun, consisting for the most part of iron, schorching hot with temperatures not unlike on Venus on the surface facing the Sun, nearly -200 C when not. A water elemental would work, certainly, but please keep in mind that this is a case of deep water indeed. I would assume that Ami's elementals are calm, docile and mayhaps even understandable to those who don't have a link with them, but an onrushing wall of relentless water sweeping away everything in its path as if it were not even there. This doesn't quite fit the planet, but it does fit Ami's powerscheme. What does fit the planet more are Ice and Steam elementals, but those aren't elements according to many philosophies.
Mars, now there is one made for war, named after the Roman god of War, this red jewel in the sky has a surface made nearly completely out of rust. Combine this with the Senshi's fiery powers and War being known as a crucible and you have elementals not made of Fire, but of molten metal. This might reduce the overall speed and make it easier to hit, but keep in mind that iron melts at a temperature of more than 1500 C, you hit this lump of metal and your weapon will become so hot it will either melt or you can't hold on to it if it gets stuck. Also, it's difficult to argue with something that might well melt concrete.
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Postby Cheb » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:08 pm

First, the magic powers have nothing to do with the physical characteristics of the planets. Even the planet size is irrelevant.
Second, each Senshi has two domains (yes, just like a cleric).
Mercury: Knowledge + Cold water/Ice -> probably some sort of water/ice dragon (a symbol of wisdom). Probably should see through any illusions and detect invisible.
Venus: Love + Gold -> thus some golden golem-like centurion
Mars: War + Fire -> fire elemental warrior or phoenix
Jupiter: Plants + Lightning -> treant (oak) that throws lightning bolts. No way it could be air, this is not a Western system of elements.
SM: Good + Healing (?) -> an angel(?) Damn hard to say, these domains don't have a good physical representation. That's why I thought something along the line of simulacrum(s). IMO, the best variant are SM clones created from the Moon Tiara - the glowing pale-golden figures of light that have a part of Usagi's consciousness and some amount of her healing abilities.
Uranus - that's who should be able to summon earth and air elementals in the Western sense of these, since her domain are Earth + Sky/Wind.
Neptune's is an Ocean elemental (I honestly don't remember her second domain), and Saturn's - a creature like the Grim Reaper that should not be summoned lest it try to mow down everybody in sight.
Better not touch the sensitive aspect of Setsuna, though - because who heard of Time elementals? Probably should be something rather exotic, I just can't think of anything now.
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Postby Tovath » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:27 pm

Hazard please remember that the senshi's powers are based more on japanesse myths then Romen ones except for Venus
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Postby Hazard » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:32 am

I would love to remember that Tovath, but I know next to nothing about Asian myths in general, let alone Japanese myths. This makes it a little difficult to say anything that makes sense. I also keep in mind that even if they are based more upon Japanese myth than Roman , the deity in question does influence matters slightly, look at Jupiters Oak Evolution attack.
If Venus is associated with love and gold, how do you get to a centurion? The rank of centurion is military and much more likely to play a part in the physical shape of a Mars elemental than a Venus elemental. Also, what kind of love are we talking about? Aphrodite was considered to be solely the Goddess of Carnal Love in early Greek myths, not Platonic Love.
Saturn is I think of Death and Rebirth, so a Lich of sorts might work (it's not rebirth, but still...) More likely do I picture something not unlike Norse goddess of Death, Hell, who looked like a rotting corpse on one half of her body and like an attractive woman on the other. The Roman god Saturn was in it's earliest form considered a Harvest god though...
Pluto... well, her name is from the Roman god of Death, but that's already taken, I'll grind on this one for a while.
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Postby Cheb » Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:47 am

, how do you get to a centurion?

Just that anime tradition of summons looking like a huge hybrid of knight and mecha. Ok, scratch that, it should be some underclad female golden mecha in a provocative armor.
Hmmm... A golden dominatrix with a love-me-whip?
Aphrodite was considered to be solely the Goddess of Carnal Love in early Greek myths, not Platonic Love.

Oh, *that* fits Minako very well! :lol: AFAIR, she's the one in the SM anime who had a nosebleed scene.
, who looked like a rotting corpse on one half of her body and like an attractive woman on the other.

IMHO, just doesn't fit somehow the anime style itself. Should be something more pretty. Like, say, a Grim Reaper with his scythe sporting the spring blossoms (maybe with a diadem of flowers too).
Pluto... well, her name is from the Roman god of Death, but that's already taken,

Note: not the death itself. Her domain is Time + Afterlife.
Ok, I'd suggest a wraith then. A time-manipulating wraith (can cast Slow on the enemies and Haste on the allies).
Ok, but we forgot the Tux the not-a-penguin. He's a Senshi too and he also should have two domains. I dare to say it's Protection + Life. So what *his* creature should be like?
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Postby crystlshake » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:46 am

Ok, but we forgot the Tux the not-a-penguin. He's a Senshi too and he also should have two domains. I dare to say it's Protection + Life. So what *his* creature should be like?

Something akin to carbunkle? (im thinking the little fox like one) Strong in the defensive qualities, in offense not nearly so much. Plus its cute, so you can set up a fun scene or two with that.
One way to get around the stumbling block of what exactly they get is to use one type of form as a template. Lets say for example that they imbue their powers into a statue. Applying themeatic accents or alterations to that base form that have some relation to the senshi who did it (even if its just a simple change in skin color) would work. Kind of like an Eve aproach. The other is to limit who can perform the ritual or whatever that creates the creature.
For some reason this vein of thought has led me to remember an episode of The Powerpuff Girls where they created anouther sister so they could take time off. Having each senshi throw their two cents into one construct (some of the parts probably conflicting) could be a set up that could be drawn out into a chapter or three. Kind of a well intentioned Frankenstien's monster gone wrong in a sailor suit.
As for the Tentacle demon angle it would probably work well to have it not change his personality. In that way you could kind of have it as a revenge fic/beat up on Genma thing while kind of dropping him into Ranma's shoes (at least in Akane's view). Even if he keeps the sighn procurement ability there will undoubtedly be missunderstandings and splashes of cold water at inoportune times. Bustling into an ice cream shop to get hot water and change back only to be attacked by magical school girls has a nice ring to it. Perhaps pull off a sympathy angle for ranma (especially if he is still female cursed).
It makes me wonder at Nodoka's reaction and if Happosai would get jealous....
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Postby Hazard » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:53 pm

Tux-boy, out of sheer perversity, I would say a dryad, in other words, a scantily clad, humanoid female who might be even more sex-oriented than Minako... Can you imagine the hijinks when Usagi finds out?
Some kind of Druid themed creature would work very well with Tuxedo Kamen and his assumed to be domains of Life and Protection.
Saturn, hmmm, yes very difficult because the very themes seem to be opposing. Oddly, I can imagine some kind of walking skeleton throwing around Necromantic magic. I believe that D&D healing spells are considered Necromantic as well. That would fit her powers, domains and prove a counterpoint to herself.
Pluto... Both the Afterlife and Time are fleeting things, hard to define, or make corporeal in some way. A wraith-like being would work very well. Combine the Afterlife's Necromancing with Time's Chronomancing and you have a ghost flinging about spells that cause rapid aging, stop or slow time and cause rot in anything it touches. The last bit is more in relation with Dead than the Afterlife though. Mayhaps the Afterlife part simply isn't applicable in battle, or raises the dead by calling their spirits back into the material into Pluto's service? It's a though, but still...
What I can see is that Pluto's Afterlife domain make her very popular with the people and spirits who want to communicate with the other side, maybe that's why she's such a solitary being? Doesn't want to be bothered so much?
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Postby Seraphim » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:15 pm

How about an Umbral Blot for Hotaru? :lol: :roll:
I think describes Saturn and Pluto fairly well:
Ian Andreas Miller wrote: Sailor Pluto's sphere of influence includes the underworld (meikai 冥界), change (henkaku 変革), the dead (deddo デッド), and space-time (jikū 時空) because she is the one who inherited those powers from her father, Chronos.
Sailor Saturn's sphere of influence includes silence (chinmoku 沈黙), ruin
or destruction (hametsu 破滅), death (shi 死), fate (unmei 運命), and birth (tanjō 誕生) after she's been reincarnated after the Death Busters series in the manga.

Uranus' 'main' element is Sky, with 'sub-elements' of Wind and Light. Though I think the 'Light' in it is probably the direct manipulation photons. A 'physical' light to Usagi's 'spiritual' light?
I think Purification/Celestial domains would be appropriate for Usagi.
The 'Glory' and 'Sun' would fit manga Tux.
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Postby Hazard » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:35 pm

What's an Umbral Blot?
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