Origin of the Silver Crystal

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Postby WG_Writer » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:29 pm

I still feel that the training tool idea is probably the right ones. further since we established in another thread that the Senshi are perceved as goddesses then a "higher power" would have to make them if they are not natural, or somehow created with or without the senshi. If the senshi did make them then they must be training tools, or weapons, either would be appropiate, but "training tool/focus" would be more useful, something that would allow someone who never used it before, i.e. Mars, to use it, i.e. resurect a dead SM.
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Postby Cheb » Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:08 pm

If the star seeds are what *any* life form does possess (even me and you), *and* there is always a deviation in strength (obeying the Gaussian distribution). Then it's no surprize that, according the probability law, there are few star seeds per a few billions that are magnitudes stronger that the others. And, of course, if their number is finite (as is our Universe) then one of them should be the strongest. It just happened to be Usagi's. A statistical quirk of the natural order.
That's all, you don't need any extra reason. Cut the crap out with Okkam's razor.
Well, for the ability to transform start seeds into sailor crystals, on the other hand...
That could be an entirely different matter. :wink:
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Postby WG_Writer » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:04 am

Right now I am operating under the assumption that the Silver Crystal is not her Star Seed/Sailor Crystal, if it was then it would make things more complicated and become harder to explain. but how to prove this.
Does Galaxia still have the Saphire crystal in the Manga? yes/no
if no then the "special crystals" i.e. Silver Crystal, Golden Crystal, Saphire Crystal would possibly be the bearer's Sailor Crystal.
If yes then they cannot be the Sailor Crystals, because Galaxia's is Chibi Chibi
Further the Golden Crystal was protected by the Pegasis hiding inside Chibi-Usa dreams, not very close to Mamoru now is it?
It could be stated that Usagi herself is a complete exception to the entire Sailor Crystal rule, but I prefer to go for simpler answers then try to incorperate every belief with no proof.
that is why I say that the "Special Crystals" are tools, and not Sailor Crystals/Star Seeds themselves.
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Postby Cheb » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:59 am

Galaxia is a *zombie* (just like all the corrupted Senshi working for her). She *doesn't* have a star seed, she is powered by her bracelets, a gift from Chaos.
As Far As I Remember, I should add.
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Postby P.H. Wise » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:08 am

Galaxia does not have a star seed inside her body. She is sustained by the bracers. This is revealed when Uranus and Neptune fake their betrayal of the other Senshi for the chance to get close enough to blast Galaxia with her own weapons. It has no effect, because in the anime, Galaxia's star seed, the light of hope, is actually Chibi-Chibi.
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Postby WG_Writer » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:25 am

now I know both of you aren't reading what I am saying
because Galaxia's is Chibi Chibi

how hard is that to understand?
please re read my question, its simple, does she have her Saphire crystal with her or not?
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Postby P.H. Wise » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:28 am

WarGiver wrote:nplease re read my question, its simple, does she have her Saphire crystal with her or not?

In the manga? I don't recall.
In the anime? No. Galaxia does not have a star-seed in the anime. She has almost everyone else's star-seeds, but she does not have her own.
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Postby WG_Writer » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:15 am

Thanks for clearing that up, I appologise for how I came off though. I tend to be given answers at work from people who do not listen/read what I write to them at all. and I guess it came out a tad hard.
I would like a Manga answer though. Actually if she never had the Saphire crystal in the anime (or possiably the manga) how do we know she ever even had it? where was it written? this actually would clear some things up if we knew.
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Postby Seraphim » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:13 pm

I'm not sure if the Sapphire Crystal was even mentioned in the anime.
The ChibChibi thing.... :roll:
Anime: ChibiChibi = Galaxia's starseed
Manga: ChibiChibi = Disguised Sailor Cosmos.
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Postby camk4evr » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:47 am

Cheb wrote:If the star seeds are what *any* life form does possess (even me and you), *and* there is always a deviation in strength (obeying the Gaussian distribution). Then it's no surprize that, according the probability law, there are few star seeds per a few billions that are magnitudes stronger that the others. And, of course, if their number is finite (as is our Universe) then one of them should be the strongest. It just happened to be Usagi's. A statistical quirk of the natural order.

If I remember the manga correctly that was the reason that Queen Serenity and Nephrenia (Sp?) came to the Sol System and why it has so freaking many senshi ^_^
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Postby stratagemini » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:48 pm

The Origin for ChibiUsa's Pink Crystal is given in the Dead Moon Circus arc (in the manga at least). Also in the Manga it is heavily hinted and at times out right stated that The Silver and golden Crystals are Usagi and Mamoru's star seeds.
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Postby WG_Writer » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:37 pm

this still leaves us with my big question:
In the manga, Does Galaxia have the Saphire crystal?
if she does then the hints about the golden and silver crystals being star seeds are red hearings since Galaxia does not have her star seed/sailor crystal.
if she doesn't where does the idea she has the saphire crystal come from?
(further idea)
perhaps the crystals aren't the star seeds, but containers that amplify power.
Strat: Can you outline where Chibi's crystal came from in the manga?
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Postby Seraphim » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:43 pm

stratagemini wrote:The Origin for ChibiUsa's Pink Crystal is given in the Dead Moon Circus arc (in the manga at least). Also in the Manga it is heavily hinted and at times out right stated that The Silver and golden Crystals are Usagi and Mamoru's star seeds.

I've said this somewhere else in this site, but it could be ChibiUsa has her own Sailor Crystal because both her parents have one, you could liken having a Sailor Crystal to being homozygous reccesive for it, sort of.
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Postby P.H. Wise » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:43 pm

As far as I can recall, the sapphire crystal was Galaxia's star seed in the manga, and I think she did possess it, but had removed it from her body and was supporting her existence with the same bracers she had given to all of the other Animamates.
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Postby Seraphim » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:48 pm

Wasn't it that huge spikey thing* she kept the other Sailor Crystals in?
Or it* was made of Sapphire Crystal, but not the real deal? :?
It could've been kept in her brooch too.
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