Ranma Dark Moon 2.0-Or something to that effect

[Seraphim]

Sounds good to me.
Just one nitpick you misspelled(? Rawr) Hotaru.

[deathgeonous]

Glad you liked it. And to the misspelling, well oops? I haven't gotten much sleep lately, and just, right before that post, got rid of a bunch roof rats that had invaded my house, so, to be honest I just waasn't paying attention to that. Damn rodants. Damn extermaters taking so long to come that I had to do it my self. Damn no sleep making this post a spelling mindfield.

[Metroidvania]

Question:
If Dark Pluto's not a sub, she's gotta be pretty damn much in love with Dark Moon to even think of defecting, or you're going to have to have Ranma make a pretty darn powerful case to detract D-Pluto from however many years of service to the dark side.....
I suppose that you could just write it off as her being _extremely_ lonely from all those years, but to me, that's a little....bleah.

By that time there will be three full Powered Dark Senshi and nine full powered Senshi to face the rest of the Dark Senshi and Serenity's army of warriors and Youma. Still underpowered, but a lot fairer a fight now

As for the multiple power world theory...it's interesting, but even with the limits, the power of a planet would presumably be a quantam leap, not just additive....
After reading the above, I'm still a bit confused.
So, the Senshi can only use their ties to multiple planets in their home dimension, which means that our Senshi will have to do the same to come anywhere close to their level of power?

[Seraphim]

Glad you liked it. And to the misspelling, well oops? I haven't gotten much sleep lately, and just, right before that post, got rid of a bunch roof rats that had invaded my house, so, to be honest I just waasn't paying attention to that. Damn rodants. Damn extermaters taking so long to come that I had to do it my self. Damn no sleep making this post a spelling mindfield.

If your tired that's perfectly understandible, lack of sleep can do very strange things to the brain.
*double takes*
RATS?!?!
.....Damn that sucks.

[deathgeonous]

Metroidvania wrote
As for the multiple power world theory...it's interesting, but even with the limits, the power of a planet would presumably be a quantam leap, not just additive....
After reading the above, I'm still a bit confused.
So, the Senshi can only use their ties to multiple planets in their home dimension, which means that our Senshi will have to do the same to come anywhere close to their level of power?
Nope. I have a diffrent plan for the Senshi to reach the power level of the Dark Senshi.
The preoblem is, and the reason I didn't put it in the last post was I'm not quite sure on how to word it. I have the general plan, but not the exact way to exicute it.
Well i'll problably bucher the paln here in trying to explaing it, but here it goes. The Dark Senshi are the Senshi of a paticuler source of power, Like fire, water, death and time, but the Senshi are just the Senshi of a speficic planet. Now in the Dark Senshi's reality it took establishing magical bondings with many planets that held simular magical traits to get so powerfull and to become the Senshi of a few diffrent power types, for every Dark Senshi has a few diffrent things to be the Senshi of.
But, in a deep and contimpaltive discusion between the two Setsuna's they come to a literlal breakthrough in the theory of planitary magic, one never before discovered by either the Moon Kingdom or the Luna Empire, and that is, if a planets magical potental grants the Senshi of that planet a spific type and source of power, why did it take useing so many simularr types of planets to become the Senshi of a power type?
Thus they dicovered that both the Moon Kingdom and the Luna Empire had been horibly inefficant when bounding a soul to a planet, for a corect bonding would make just a sigle planet do what the normal bonding process would do when using multiple worlds.
So in esseces, for the fic, the Dark Seshi will have quanity of plants to power them, but once this is dicovered, the Senshi will have the quality of planets powering them. And thus the Senshi will become with a single planet almost if not equil to the Dark Senshi in power. But it will require a new boding to their world, and actully visiting it to do so.
So it' like comparing a ten pound pile of small rocks to a ten pound boulder, each weigh the same and are made of stone, yet are much diffrent in other ways.
As to your question on Dark Setsuna's defection, and i'm surprised did not ask about Dark Hotaru, who would be even harder to convince, well when Dark Setsuna found out about Ranma not truely being Serenity the Second, she was all ready to report it in her monthly report, but by the time it had rolled around a month later, she left that small detail out becuse she started to become atracted to Ranma. now I'm not going with 'Lonly for all those years.' No what I'm going for here is 'Am I trully happy with my life?" Ranma helps makes Dark Setsuna question her life. Ranma is not the only one to do so, but is key. As for Hotaru's defection? Same thing, only it's her other self that is the true key to making her question her happyness.
It will take a long time, but they will slowly realize that they are not truly happy with their lives now.
I hope I got everything for you Metroidvania, and if anyone, and I meany any one can make sense of what I wrote on Senshi's powers and condence it into a better way to frase it, tell me, please.
Ohand did this all make sense to all of you?
Bye for now.

[Metroidvania]

As to your question on Dark Setsuna's defection, and i'm surprised did not ask about Dark Hotaru, who would be even harder to convince, well when Dark Setsuna found out about Ranma not truely being Serenity the Second, she was all ready to report it in her monthly report, but by the time it had rolled around a month later, she left that small detail out becuse she started to become atracted to Ranma. now I'm not going with 'Lonly for all those years.' No what I'm going for here is 'Am I trully happy with my life?" Ranma helps makes Dark Setsuna question her life. Ranma is not the only one to do so, but is key. As for Hotaru's defection? Same thing, only it's her other self that is the true key to making her question her happyness.

As for not asking about dark Saturn, I was thinking it would she would be incuded/go Benedict Arnold the same way as D-Pluto, along with normal Hotaru's influence, as you stated. I asked about DP because she's the major traitor/convert in this fic.
Now, you wrote that DP gets attracted to Ranma...out of curiousity, why?
Obviously, there are physical aspects, but coming from a dark realm, I would think that darker character traits would be more appealing to such a dark universe, and Ranma's usually, while not a ray of sunshine, a good person.

I hope I got everything for you Metroidvania, and if anyone, and I meany any one can make sense of what I wrote on Senshi's powers and condence it into a better way to frase it, tell me, please.
Ohand did this all make sense to all of you?

yes, it makes more sense now.
So, in other words, the original empires of both universes were inefficient at magical bonding, and our Senshi are going to unlock the full potential of their one planet, which will equal the dark senshi's relatively less powerful tapping multiple planets?

[bissek]

But still, you're D Saturn is perpetually lonely because D Serenity doesn't let her associate with people outside of the D Senshi unless it's during a mission and limited to the bounds of the mission.
Hotaru is nearly as lonely, because while she is allowed to interact with anyone she chooses, few people outside the Senshi choose to interact with her any more than is absolutely necessary.
Both Saturns suffer from the same social problem, though they got the ploblem from different sources. Long before D Saturn chooses to defect, she'll have some serious thinking about why her double puts up with the bullies and hopes to make friends of people who ostracize her rather than just SGS their houses.
A key point may not be how Hotaru interacts with the world, but how she interacts with the other Senshi. D Saturn may very well be considered an attack dog to be kept on a leash until a planet needs blowing up, instead of a true colleague.

[deathgeonous]

Metroidvania wrote
yes, it makes more sense now.
So, in other words, the original empires of both universes were inefficient at magical bonding, and our Senshi are going to unlock the full potential of their one planet, which will equal the dark senshi's relatively less powerful tapping multiple planets?
Yes. that's a good way of condecing it. The moon Kingdom just was not around long enough to even have the chance of descoring their mistake. As for the Luna Empire? I'll have to think more on it, but for now I'll just go with, they were under a "if it's not broke, don't fix it" mentality when looking for ways to increse their Senshi's powers.
Metroidvania also wrote
As for not asking about dark Saturn, I was thinking it would she would be incuded/go Benedict Arnold the same way as D-Pluto, along with normal Hotaru's influence, as you stated. I asked about DP because she's the major traitor/convert in this fic.
Now, you wrote that DP gets attracted to Ranma...out of curiousity, why?
Obviously, there are physical aspects, but coming from a dark realm, I would think that darker character traits would be more appealing to such a dark universe, and Ranma's usually, while not a ray of sunshine, a good person.
Well that's sn assumtion, and you know what they say aabout those. And I thought I alredy answered it with this
what I'm going for here is 'Am I trully happy with my life?" Ranma helps makes Dark Setsuna question her life. Ranma is not the only one to do so, but is key.
Ranma makes Dark Setsuna question her life, and she relises that she is not happy with it. And while her desiced princess was a good lover and way to make her feel temperaraly good, Ranma just makes her feel good. So that is why Dark Setsuna fell in love with Ranma and decided to defect. It did not happen in the order of, "I love Ranma. Am I truly happy with my life" It happened in the oppisite order "Am I trully happy with my life as I now lead it? No. What would make me happy? Ranma, for I love her." That is how it happened. And even then, it took some time for her to after she amitts to herself to not being happy, and to herself to loving Ranma, to see she wants to defect as well.
bissek wrote
But still, you're D Saturn is perpetually lonely because D Serenity doesn't let her associate with people outside of the D Senshi unless it's during a mission and limited to the bounds of the mission.
Hotaru is nearly as lonely, because while she is allowed to interact with anyone she chooses, few people outside the Senshi choose to interact with her any more than is absolutely necessary.
Both Saturns suffer from the same social problem, though they got the ploblem from different sources. Long before D Saturn chooses to defect, she'll have some serious thinking about why her double puts up with the bullies and hopes to make friends of people who ostracize her rather than just SGS their houses.
A key point may not be how Hotaru interacts with the world, but how she interacts with the other Senshi. D Saturn may very well be considered an attack dog to be kept on a leash until a planet needs blowing up, instead of a true colleague.
Actually Dark Hotaru was more like, if they don't want a reality they found, due to any reason, that was the only time she was sent out. It would take her a week or so, but nothing would be left alive in that reality. And as to Dark Hotaru herself, she is at the time she leaves to spy on Ranma, almost half insane due to lack of human contact, for she is kept so isilated for every one and the few that can talk to her, do not chose to.
Hotaru becomes Dark Hotaru's life line to becoming fully sane again, and aquers a VERY protective older sister. In fact most of Hotaru's old tormenters will now only be alive because when Dark Hotaru flies off the handle at them, Hotaru will plead for their lives. It will not make sence to Dark Hotaru at first though as to why Hotaru would do that.
And in all probibility, I think it will be Dark Hotaru, NOT Dark Setsuna that initatits the dual defection.
Seraphim wrote
If your tired that's perfectly understandible, lack of sleep can do very strange things to the brain.
*double takes*
RATS?!?!
.....Damn that sucks.
Thaks for uderstanding that. In the past 96 hours, I think I've had less then 15 hours of sleep, and the most I sleept for was five hours at a time. In fact I just woke up from a three hour nap.
And yes having roof rats invading your house sucks, big time.
But what sucked even more was the fact that my exterminating company, one I've had for years, and am a very loyal custumer to, said they couldn't help me for three days. So I just caught the damn things my self. There were five of them. Ironicly enough, that's the same number of cats I own. And only two of the cats were even intrested in the Rats. The others could have cared less. And the two that were intersted, were just that. they just wanted to play witht he rats, not kill them. which I was thankful for, for I did catch them all humanly as possible. By slaming a bucket over them and then troughing them in a bag and then depsoiting them in the ally behind the house. No pphsical damage and probably just a days scare.
Bye for now. I will get to writing the first chapter soon I hope and then post it on C&C for your help.

[Metroidvania]

Okay, then, just for clarification before I venture further, Dpluto doesn't write in her report that Ranma's not DMoon because she's started to become attracted to her due to the fact that she, seeing Ranma's life, is dissatisfied with her own?

[deathgeonous]

Metroidvania wrote
Okay, then, just for clarification before I venture further, Dpluto doesn't write in her report that Ranma's not DMoon because she's started to become attracted to her due to the fact that she, seeing Ranma's life, is dissatisfied with her own?
Well, when you some it up that way, it does sound a little silly doesn't it? But basiclly, yes. It's a very simplified way to put it though, becuase I hope to get a few more factors in play, but you got the jist of it there.

[Pale Wolf]

As for the Luna Empire? I'll have to think more on it, but for now I'll just go with, they were under a "if it's not broke, don't fix it" mentality when looking for ways to increse their Senshi's powers.

Why not just say that it was so much simpler, by the time the problem was discovered, to just conquer and bond new planets rather than divert resources into an unknown research path?

[deathgeonous]

Pale Wolf said
Why not just say that it was so much simpler, by the time the problem was discovered, to just conquer and bond new planets rather than divert resources into an unknown research path?
deathgeonous says
Pale Wolf, YOU ARE A GEINOUS!!! Sersiously, that even simplifies how to get the knowlage out there. instened of just talking about the nature of a planets power, Dark Setsuna and Dark Hotaru KNOW of a way to up the power of the normal Senshi, but have no clue as to HOW to make it happen. Oh Ami...

[Pale Wolf]

Pale Wolf, YOU ARE A GEINOUS!!!

Of this, I was always aware

Sersiously, that even simplifies how to get the knowlage out there. instened of just talking about the nature of a planets power, Dark Setsuna and Dark Hotaru KNOW of a way to up the power of the normal Senshi, but have no clue as to HOW to make it happen. Oh Ami...

I wasn't sure whether you wanted to have the very idea of it 'come out of nowhere', as far as they were concerned.
Okay... I imagine the actual nature of the powers would've been more a matter for research divisions back in the Luna Empire, and the issue probably would've come up and been discarded millenia ago, so the knowledge is probably pretty apocryphal, which lets the current Senshi do all the work.
And, at that point, I guess you can set Ami onto magical studies and figure out how to refine the bond (though, perhaps you could try to include others than just her - she's smart, but she's not exactly 'go into completely unimagined scientific territory, hammer it out, and make it work safely' smart).
And of course, that gives another idea - a few of their earlier bond-modification attempts could have some messy side effects when actually used, so you can play around with things like that before you have them fully upgraded.