Origin of the Silver Crystal

[WG_Writer]

the entire thing to me seems that if one says that the silver/golden/saphire crystals are the star seeds then that means that Mamoru went through most of his life, until Pegasus, without his star seed/sailor crystal

[Cheb]

A plot hole, <Cheb itches to add a few colorful obscenities>.
Anyway, in the manga, arc SuperS, Tux gets a kick-ass power-up. Too bad he is killed outright, at the very beginning of Stars, and doesn't have achance to use that new firepower of his.

[WG_Writer]

well with all these plot holes I think I will just stick with the idea that they are artifacts of some sort in my witting if it comes up. with all this discussion we still return to the idea of plot holes.

[Seraphim]

the entire thing to me seems that if one says that the silver/golden/saphire crystals are the star seeds then that means that Mamoru went through most of his life, until Pegasus, without his star seed/sailor crystal

Ah no. It was always inside him, it's just nobody (including Helios who up to SuperS was the only one who knew it existed) knew where exactly it was.
IIRC, wasn't it Usagi who suggested that might be inside him like the Ginzuishou was/is inside her?

[Zwzn]

the entire thing to me seems that if one says that the silver/golden/saphire crystals are the star seeds then that means that Mamoru went through most of his life, until Pegasus, without his star seed/sailor crystal

Ah no. It was always inside him, it's just nobody (including Helios who up to SuperS was the only one who knew it existed) knew where exactly it was.
IIRC, wasn't it Usagi who suggested that might be inside him like the Ginzuishou was/is inside her?

In the anime Helios's horn turned out to be the gold crystal, and Helios/Pegasus was being held by Nefilainia in Helios/Pegasus's dimension.

[Seraphim]

In the anime Helios's horn turned out to be the gold crystal, and Helios/Pegasus was being held by Nefilainia in Helios/Pegasus's dimension.

I know. I was talking manga.

[stratagemini]

The Anime isn't canon, it's a lot less well explored. In the Manga Helios' horn wasn't anything. and there was some weird thing where Helios and Mamoru shared the same soul. It was rather strange and confusing, but essentially, their health is linked, and it's also linked to the health of the Earth and Elysian.

[Zwzn]

The Anime isn't canon, it's a lot less well explored. In the Manga Helios' horn wasn't anything. and there was some weird thing where Helios and Mamoru shared the same soul. It was rather strange and confusing, but essentially, their health is linked, and it's also linked to the health of the Earth and Elysian.

In the anime it is shown/implied that Mamoru draws power from the Gold crystal to power himself. It is also shown/implied that Elysian is the source of the roses he throws. The golden crystal in season 4 draws power from beautiful dreams it seems to me. Elysian was literally a dream world in the anime.

[lwf58]

As stratagemini pointed out, though, the anime continuity - if you can call it a continuity - is lousy with plotholes and idiotic ideas. The freakin' rose-throwing is anime only, and probably the lamest attack power in SM. Although Tuxy got the short end of the stick even more in the manga; he didn't get any attacks at all at the beginning of the series. Eventually, he got the Tuxedo la Smoking Bomber (Tuxy shouldn't have ever been allowed to name his own attacks) which gave him firepower roughly equal to first-stage senshi attacks.
Me, if I were going to write SM into a fan fiction story, you can bet I'd use manga canon only. There's a reason why anime Tuxy is a joke in the fan fiction community.
As for the gold crystal, it's the counterpart to the silver crystal, and Mamoru uses it the same way Usagi uses the silver. He eventually becomes about as powerful as she does as a result.
In manga continuity, the Silver Millennium primarily existed to protect the Earth. The Moon Kingdom was a layered defense network set up for the purpose of defending Earth from extra-solar enemies, and the silver crystal was its underpinning. The gold crystal and the royalty of the Earth were to protect it from threats springing up on home soil, a job they failed at miserably when Beryl was seduced by the power of Metallia. It most certainly didn't come from a "beautiful dream".

[stratagemini]

Tuxboy is pretty powerful in the Manga actually, even before he gets the golden crystal he's empathic, can heal with a touch like Hotaru can, and has actual attacks and a fair amount of skill with his cane. Tux boy only has 3 real attacks though, one is Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber, another is "Pink Sugar Tuxedo Attack" and the last is an unnamed attack where he helps sailor moon power her attack up to ridiculous levels. Tux Boy isn't a frontline fighter, he's at best support. But that said he's pretty damned powerful for a support character. We don't actually get to see him use the Golden crystal except against Neherenia one time in a combination attack with Moon, after that the next time you see Mamoru he's being killed off by a surprise attack on his civilian form.
Still, Given the evidence it's my opinion taht Mamoru is probably as powerful as Usagi is when he uses his golden crystal, though it would probably be used differently from Usagi given the support nature of his character.

[Zwzn]

Tuxboy is pretty powerful in the Manga actually, even before he gets the golden crystal he's empathic, can heal with a touch like Hotaru can, and has actual attacks and a fair amount of skill with his cane. Tux boy only has 3 real attacks though, one is Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber, another is "Pink Sugar Tuxedo Attack" and the last is an unnamed attack where he helps sailor moon power her attack up to ridiculous levels. Tux Boy isn't a frontline fighter, he's at best support. But that said he's pretty damned powerful for a support character. We don't actually get to see him use the Golden crystal except against Neherenia one time in a combination attack with Moon, after that the next time you see Mamoru he's being killed off by a surprise attack on his civilian form.
Still, Given the evidence it's my opinion taht Mamoru is probably as powerful as Usagi is when he uses his golden crystal, though it would probably be used differently from Usagi given the support nature of his character.

I don't understand why people say he is weak in the anime? Tuxy has many unnamed attacks in the anime that appear to be equeal or greater in power then the senshi, and he is about as go if not better in close combat as as Uranus and Jupiter. His biggest reason for losing IMO is Usagi. He often has to throw himself in front of attacks to protect her because she suddenly loses all combat ability for reasons that don't always make sense..

[lwf58]

It's because other than the occasional cane-versus-sword duels he got into with the Dark Generals, the only time he ever got to really be effective in the anime was when he was a bad guy under Beryl's mindwashing. The rest of the time, he was the cheerleader in black and white who threw roses and corny speeches around, and then let the girls do the real fighting.
In the manga, he starts out as a cheerleader, but even he thinks he's useless. In reality, he had psychometry and healing powers, so while not a front-line fighter, he was useful as support. He eventually did get a powerful attack in the TLSB, and eventually when he got the gold crystal, his power became second only to Usagi's. Stratagemini's comments point out another aspect to him in the manga that didn't exist in the anime: he was crucial to several of Usagi's powerups. She couldn't have achieved at least two of her advanced levels without his presence and cooperation, because both the gold and silver crystals were necessary.
In the anime, it's almost as if his only job is to provide morale support and be a sperm donor so that Chibi-Usa can exist.

[claymade]

It's because other than the occasional cane-versus-sword duels he got into with the Dark Generals, the only time he ever got to really be effective in the anime was when he was a bad guy under Beryl's mindwashing. The rest of the time, he was the cheerleader in black and white who threw roses and corny speeches around, and then let the girls do the real fighting.

Hm? Even in the anime, IIRC didn't he quite often do the whole "Senshi are trapped/hindered/threatened/incapacitated by some bizzare technique of the enemy, which is nullified by a well-placed rose" thing? Granted, he's not exactly staggering in terms of his offensive capabilities, but even so, it seems his "cure status effects" role was rather effective--even vital--in its own way.

[lwf58]

Only in that he tended to distract the bad guys at critical moments, allowing the girls to break loose and do their thing. My point was that the actual amount of damage he did with the roses was negligible. Had he been fighting on the front line, he would have gotten creamed without doing much in return.
In the manga, he was able to do some real harm to his opponents with the TLSB, and he became more powerful than many of the senshi when he got hold of his crystal.
Admittedly, I like the concept of the girls being top dogs in an anime where they are the main characters. In lots of other anime shows, the Japanese show that they are thirty years behind us in regard to social development. I'm talking about those shows where the main character is a girl, but she is portrayed as being hopeless without male support characters holding her hand, or male characters take the lead and she just accepts it.
But Tuxy is just lame in the anime. He's a jackass with few redeeming virtues. The way he treats her in the various seasons should be considered abusive. His rather minor contributions to the fighting simply do not make up for his lousy personality. All in all, he's a better team player in the manga and makes a real difference.

[Zwzn]

It's because other than the occasional cane-versus-sword duels he got into with the Dark Generals, the only time he ever got to really be effective in the anime was when he was a bad guy under Beryl's mindwashing. The rest of the time, he was the cheerleader in black and white who threw roses and corny speeches around, and then let the girls do the real fighting.

One reason he is not fighting with the senshi is it seems they have no way to just call him like they can each other it seems. The senshi never seem to have gotten him a communicator. Is it his falt no one seems to tell him when and where the battles are taking place?
Season 1 he and mask are to different personalities for some of the season IIRC, and he seemed to to often be more uiseful then the other senshi.
Season 2 Moon Light Knight seemed to fight well, and in the Dark Moon arc he fights fairly well as well.
He was at his best in season 3. He seems to fight much more then any other season.
In season 4 he seemed to be getting sick/weakening from what the Dead Moon Circus was doing.
In season 5 Galaxia saw him as a big threat. She took him out first, and in a way he could not get help or really escape IIRC.
Tuxy is powerful enough to hold his own aganst Dark Generals. What senshi can do that?

In the manga, he starts out as a cheerleader, but even he thinks he's useless. In reality, he had psychometry and healing powers, so while not a front-line fighter, he was useful as support. He eventually did get a powerful attack in the TLSB, and eventually when he got the gold crystal, his power became second only to Usagi's. Stratagemini's comments point out another aspect to him in the manga that didn't exist in the anime: he was crucial to several of Usagi's powerups. She couldn't have achieved at least two of her advanced levels without his presence and cooperation, because both the gold and silver crystals were necessary.
In the anime, it's almost as if his only job is to provide morale support and be a sperm donor so that Chibi-Usa can exist.

In the anime he has healing powers. They are most noticeable in season 4. He also can sense when Usagi is in danger. This is how he all to often finds the fights, and why he shows up late.
He was likely the reason for the new broach in season 3. Usagi had lost her powers. Even the silver crystal had stopped shining.
He was also very important to the "defeat" of Nefilainia in season 4.