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Postby Yrael » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:03 pm

lwf58 wrote:Or any other pairing with Ryouga, for that matter. The only girl who ever takes a canon romantic interest in Ryouga is Akari. Period.


I think you've forgotten about Ranma during a certain arc involving a certain fishing rod. :)

antimatterenergy wrote:Akane's been kidnapped more than twice:

# Mousse abducted Akane to lure Ranma into a trap involving spring of the drown duck water.
# Pantyhose Taro flew off with Akane and held her hostage in order to get Happosai to come to him.
# Lime kidnapped Akane because he wanted to drink tea with a girl.
# Kiima had crows bring Akane to Jusenkyo to use Akane to get at Ranma.
# A cursed doll switched places with Akane to use Akane's body to get at Ranma.
# Cologne kidnapped Akane to make her a prize for the winner when Ryoga and Ranma were fighting.
# Gonsunki tried to kidnap her during the Romeo and Juliet arc (used chloroform) but she was too heavy.
# Principal Kuno kidnapped her during the time where they were trying to find the coconut that the map on Kuno's head lead to (Used Rope and brooms to tie her up near the ceiling Akane freed herself).
# Evil kunoichi women kidnapped Akane (put her in a bunny suit and hung her from a tree).
# Shampoo took control of Akane through the use of pressure points to try and get the water proof soap from Ryoga.

I think I got them all.


If you count the anime, both movies had Akane being kidnapped by a magical prince. Prince Toma in Nihao My Concubine, and Prince Kirin in Big Trouble.
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Postby whatever » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:50 pm

Well here are some of the ones I have noticed

Ranma is perfect:No, he's not. He is very skilled in martial arts and several fields because he has to learned it to survive, yes he is one of the nicest person in the manga which IMHO is not saying that much giving a look to the people who are around him, he does have many good traits but he does have his -not so grea-t ones who can make a person get annoyed with him.

After Cologne Shampoo is the best female martial artist in the series: Hinako is far more powerful than Shampoo and was able beat her twice along with Ukyo and Kodachi, Mariko seems to be superior to her
since she hold her own against Ranma for a long time and by this point he got a few power ups and new techniques, her only skirmish with Ukyo was even.

Ranma is a very poor student and does has problem solving basic math operations: Ranma has been able to arrive to the 10th grade even if he was constantly moving from place to place due his Training, so he must be at least a decent and somewhat intelligent school student.

Mousse can't defend himself without weapons: IIRC, Mousse was fighting hand to hand with Ranma in their first confrontation for a brief time and Ranma commented he was good.

Ranma dislikes to have boys and girls falling for him: Well in the Reversal Jewel he was desperate to recover Shampoo's back even if he isn't interested in her, When both Kodachi and Akane admited that Asuka's boyfriend was better looking than him he got upset, as for the boys he either take advantage of guys who likes him as a female or feel hurt when people don't consider his female form attractive (Tsubasa Kurenai arc.

Ranma is unhappy with his life: apart from some problems Ranma seems to be O.K with his life and he doesn't mind that much about his problems either.

Mousse is a weaker fighter than Shampoo since he was never been able to make her his wife: Mousse did gave Ranma two good fights even after this one got power up by the Amaguriken something Shampoo didn't manage to do and he has face stronger enemies than here, I think it is more logic to think he hold back whenever he was fighting her and let her win.
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Postby claymade » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:04 pm

Ranma doesn't endanger bystanders. In point of fact, Ranma is very much capable of being extremely careless--even to the point of near-obliviousness--when caught up in the heat of battle. Or even in far less excusable situations. For example, in nothing more than his hurry to get to school on time, he accidentally jumps directly onto a little girl, pounding her into the concrete and knocking her out at the start of the Hinako arc.

Similarly, he knocks Ryouga off a cliff at Jusenkyo without apparently even noticing him, and is so utterly careless after a loss to Kuno that he accidentally gives a little kid an actual, direct punch.

It's rather telling that, even with attack methods that by their intrinsic nature don't lend themselves well to collateral damage, he still very much manages to rack up his fair share of reckless endangerment charges.

And, on the subject of endangerment...

Ryouga swears never to use his belt technique after he accidentally cut Akane's hair with it. Well first of all, it wasn't really him that did it. Ranma was the one who kicked it aerial--in regard to that particular happenstance, Ryouga didn't do anything more than "use a weapon that Ranma might potentially kick out of his hand toward someone."

And yet somehow, the idea arises--and is quite extremely prevalently accepted as fact--that he at some point (when the camera was off him) swore that he would never again use the technique. (You'd think he'd do it with the bandanas, if anything, since those put Akane in danger for reasons that were completely his fault.)

And, on the subject of swearing on one's honor...

Ranma would really like to reveal Ryouga's curse to Akane, but can't because of the promise he made (to a dog). Gah. Not only does he on multiple occasions actively conspire to keep the secret from her, not only does he never indulge in any of the common fanon-angsting over having made said promise, but he also shows a perfect willingness to "break his word" and reveal Ryouga's curse in those cases when he does feel like it (e.g. to Akari). It's quite painfully obvious that it isn't his promise that's the motivating factor in why he helps hide P-chan's identity.
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Postby Jupiah » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:12 am

claymade wrote:Ranma would really like to reveal Ryouga's curse to Akane, but can't because of the promise he made (to a dog). Gah. Not only does he on multiple occasions actively conspire to keep the secret from her, not only does he never indulge in any of the common fanon-angsting over having made said promise, but he also shows a perfect willingness to "break his word" and reveal Ryouga's curse in those cases when he does feel like it (e.g. to Akari). It's quite painfully obvious that it isn't his promise that's the motivating factor in why he helps hide P-chan's identity.


Absolutely true. The main motivating factors of Ranma's desire to reveal or protect Ryoga's secret seem to be "how much has Ryoga annoyed me lately?" and "Is Akane showing any interest in Ryoga?"

While immediately after learning of Ryoga's curse, Ranma was actively trying to out him, I think he realized that it was pointless after Azusa flat out told Akane that Ryoga and "Charlotte" were the same, and pointed out that Ryoga was wearing the collar she had given to the pig as evidence, and Akane still didn't get it. Plus, everytime he tried, he was accused of being jealous of a pig, to his great frustration.

Ranma even stopped getting jealous of Ryoga after the Waterproof Soap arc, when Akane made it absolutely clear that she no longer had any romantic feelings towards Ryoga when he greatly disturbed her by chasing her all over the park in a rather deranged manner, and almost killed her several times trying to give her hugs capable of shattering concrete. After that incident Ranma started protecting Ryoga's secret (most of the time. He still tries to tell Akane a couple of times when Ryoga had recently annoyed him) because he no longer felt threatened by him in regards to Akane's romantic interest.
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Postby Southern Cross » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:53 pm

Thanks,Jupiah.
Another cliche I hate is the old "Ranma and/or Akane dies"-this is one cliche that appears in fanfiction far too often.
Not only are they the leads,but this cliche is all to often used to pair Ranma up with somebody else.
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!
If fanfiction writers want to kill off somebody in the Ranma cast could they please make it somebody who actually DESERVES it (i.e. Happosai,Nabiki,Shampoo or Taro? Pretty please?)
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Postby FriendlyEL » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:28 pm

Why do Happi and Taro deserve to die?

On a side note, I have noticed alot of fanfictions lately in which Taro one day simply decides to use his monster form to wipe out entire villages in China for the heck of it. What many people seem to forget is that he does not actually go out of his way to be evil, it's just that if someone does get in the way of his goals he's not above offing them.

Happi the great evil is another that I see as a big fan cliche (I know Takashi intended for him to be that way, but I don't think she did a great job of making him look bad enough). He's actually a very harmless pervert. I mean, really, we have a story in which everyone is an attempted murderer and will beat someone nearly to death out of the tiniest annoyance, and the most drastically evil thing you can do is steal womens underwear?
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Postby Jupiah » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:15 pm

FriendlyEL wrote:Happi the great evil is another that I see as a big fan cliche (I know Takashi intended for him to be that way, but I don't think she did a great job of making him look bad enough). He's actually a very harmless pervert. I mean, really, we have a story in which everyone is an attempted murderer and will beat someone nearly to death out of the tiniest annoyance, and the most drastically evil thing you can do is steal womens underwear?

Happosai has his moments of pure evil. His panty thieving addiction may be mostly harmless, but he is willing to kill to defend it. When Ranma used the suggestion incense to make Happosai believe that he had returned to the day Pantyhose Taro had been born at Jusenkyo, and told him that if he named the baby Panyhose again, he was going to steal all of the pantyhose in the world when he grew up, Happosai first reaction was to try and murder the infant.

Another disturbing incident was during the Incense of Spring Sleep arc. Happosai attempted to put Ranma into an immensely deep sleep (that apparantly will last for months) with the incense, with the intentions of having his way with her body during that entire time. When he accidently hit Akane with the incense, he tried to molest her sleeping body several times as well. That is seriously fucked up, and no better than rape in my opinion.

And need I even mention the Ultimate Weakness Moxibustion?

Happosai is normally harmless, true, but the few times he does something bad (worse than panty thieving and groping girls that is), it's always a doozy of a bad thing, and he never shows any remorse for his actions. Happosai is irredeemably evil. Honestly, I think the only reason he's normally not so bad is because he's going senile. I shudder to think of how wicked he was in his youth.
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Postby claymade » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:37 pm

Jupiah wrote:His panty thieving addiction may be mostly harmless, but he is willing to kill to defend it. When Ranma used the suggestion incense to make Happosai believe that he had returned to the day Pantyhose Taro had been born at Jusenkyo, and told him that if he named the baby Panyhose again, he was going to steal all of the pantyhose in the world when he grew up, Happosai first reaction was to try and murder the infant.

That one, I don't think should really be counted against him. He was operating under mind-altering substances at the time, as shown by how the instant the NWC snap him out of the trance that he immediately stops trying to kill Taro and just renames him instead.
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Postby Atlan » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:42 pm

Ryoga will stop at nothing to kill Ranma
Ryoga risked his life repeatedly to save Ranma (Herb arc, Saffron, ect)
He even asked Ranma to take him home, and Ranma aggreed.

Akane is an inept martial artist
While she is not as good as the nerima crew, one the few occasions in the later manga that she actually fought, she put up quite a fight (Ryugenzwa)

Shampoo would not hestate to kill anyone
She had Akane at her mercy, and only wiped her memory at the begining. After then, she's had several chances to kill her.
She has never tried to hunt down Ukyo- they've only fought in the big feiancee scuffles.
She found out that the man she loved was actually a girl trying to fool her (a girl she had to kill anyway) and chose to leave and never come back. (Before she got her cat curse)

Nodoka thinks that unless a man peeps on girls, he's not manly
All those times were Genma's idea (and he's a moron).
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Postby Nekomata-sensei » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:01 pm

For the thing with Happosai, I think the idea behind his 'evil' is that it is generally regarded as a detestable and illegal thing to steal underwear and grope girls. Happosai does this to innocent victims without provokation or remorse. The martial artists, when they try to kill people, generally at least have been provoked, although often not enough to justify killing, or even violence in the first place, and have occasionally felt guity for their actions afterwards.

Happosai only discriminates his targets based on their beauty. He does immoral things purely for his own benefit indulging in one of the 7 sins that harm others without remorse and will fight to defend his ability to do so. Most of the other characters only try to kill those they perceive as evil or to have committed horrible, unforgiveable slights agaisnt them, even if this isn't actually true, it is what they percieve, they don't go out of their way to hurt others for their pleasure. The Kunos are a slight exception to this, Kodachi willing to do serious, crippling, or even leathal harm in order to win, and cheating while she is at it, and principal Kuno doesn't understand that nobody wants those haircuts or to do that Hawaiian stuff and it isn't really what is best for them, so he attacks those who oppose them, in order to force stuff on them, beliving it is for their own good. Happosai does not believe his groping and stealing is for the good of the girls, it is purely for his own lusts, and he has no remorse at the distress he causes, and in fact seems to gleefully enjoy it.
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Postby Jupiah » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:14 pm

Atlan wrote:Nodoka thinks that unless a man peeps on girls, he's not manly
All those times were Genma's idea (and he's a moron).

When did Genma ever try to make Ranma peep on girls? The only time I can recall Nodoka ever commenting on the subject of Ranma peeping on girls, it was Nabiki that mentioned it, and Nodoka was absolutely ecstatic about it.

Because of Nodoka's positive opinion on the manliness of peeking, the Tendos immediately set up a ridiculous plan to redeem Ranma by having him peek on a bathing Akane, and Nodoka hid in the changing room eagerly waiting to catch Ranma in the act. She also had her sword with her, and when Ranma tripped and fell onto Akane's clothes, making Nodoka think he was more interested in stealing them than peeking on Akane, she jumped out and tried to kill him.

So yeah, this one is actually true.
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Postby TerraEpon » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:36 pm

Southern Cross wrote:Thanks,Jupiah.
Another cliche I hate is the old "Ranma and/or Akane dies"-this is one cliche that appears in fanfiction far too often.
Not only are they the leads,but this cliche is all to often used to pair Ranma up with somebody else.
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah, but that's not fanon, rather it's an overused plot device. This thread is talking about things that authors cite wrongly as canon and use, not stuff they create to move the story.


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Postby antimatterenergy » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:57 pm

Nodoka was absolutely ecstatic about it.


I'd love to know what Ranma was thinking at that moment because the look on her(Ranma's) face it appears she's thinking that her mom is nuts.

Yeah, but that's not fanon, rather it's an overused plot device. This thread is talking about things that authors cite wrongly as canon and use, not stuff they create to move the story.


It seems that way but the wording of the original post says cliche's/tropes of fanon. Fanon does not mean that it has to contradict canon.

One definition for fanon is: Things that are not strictly canon, but do not contradict it and are widely accepted by most fans.

So we could list fanon cliches that do not contradict the manga/anime instead fill in a gap/unexplained part of the manga or take a canon thing but use it to a greater extent than the manga did. For Example: Akane's mom name being Kimiko. The name is never given in the source material but is used in several fanfics. It does not contradict the manga, it's cliche because it is used often enough, and is fanon (since the source material never mentioned it).
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Postby Ran » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:57 pm

True enough, but at least when they do that you won't have them spending their time bashing the dead character.
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Re: Cliches & Tropes of Ranma fanon

Postby Yarrow » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:21 am

Jupiah wrote: Soun dresses up in a business suit, grabs a suitcase, and claims he has to go on a business trip when he needs an excuse to escape during the arc where everyone thinks Kasumi gets angry, and I'm pretty sure that he does it once to get away from Happosai as well. That would be a pretty pitiful excuse if he didn't have a job.

You're right, Soun using that excuse if he doesn't have a job would be pitiful, but I could see him doing it. I don't think it'd really be out of character for him and it would fit in with the humor of the series.
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