Untitled Ranma/Naruto crossover fic (New: Ch. 23 to 32)

[Vasey]

Good God, this is one of the best Ranma Naruto crossovers I think I've ever read. Really. The ONLY thing I can sugjust for you to do is study up more on the names of the techniques, because I noticed that when you had problems with there names, you just put question marks in them middle of them.

That, as Mike said, sounds like a character encoding issue. I'm using non-ASCII characters in some of the technique names (the wonders of copy and paste from Internet sources that understand Japanese) and if your browser isn't expecting that then it'll have trouble. On the other hand, it could be Open Office outputting bad HTML. I'll have to add checking it to my TODO list.

And thanks for the compliment.

So, my advice, fix that then post this somewhere while writing more in this. Not so sage advice I know, but, that is all I have to give.

It'll come eventually. I've got a chapter under construction to complete before I make any moves in that direction at the very least.

What I'd meant, above, was stories where basically, Ranma seems to know most or all of Naruto's techniques (particularly Kage Bunshin and Oiroke, as well as the other standard jutsu... maybe Chidori/Rasengan for good measure), and then proceeds to do everything far better than Naruto with essentially the same moves, etc.

Well, that's just lazy. That and chidori wouldn't even work for Ranma; he'd have the same problem that Kakashi had before he yoinked himself a sharingan eye. I don't think I've ever read a story like that, thankfully.

I've got Horse of the Leaf archived somewhere (read it a few years ago, I think), and it's not really what I meant. Ranma seems to end up beating Sasuke in most Naruto crossovers, anyway.

That's true. It's a trend I have no intention of following because I know it would end up a very deliberate farce of a battle. The mental image of Sasuke trying to use chidori on a Ranma who's backing away ever so slightly quicker than Sasuke can catch up with amuses me too much for me to not use it if I ever go in that direction. And it's a bit too Benny Hill to include.

[Zwzn]

Well, that's just lazy. That and chidori wouldn't even work for Ranma; he'd have the same problem that Kakashi had before he yoinked himself a sharingan eye. I don't think I've ever read a story like that, thankfully.

What is this problem you speak of, why would Ranma have this problem? It looks almost as if Ranma already has all the the abilities the sharingan eye gives.

What am I missing?

[Makoto]

Hrm. The Benny Hill reference made me imagine a version of the chase sequences, only with Team Seven. ^_^; (Then again, that probably would be easy to imagine with Jiraiya around...)

I didn't really want to include Chidori/Rasengan, even though there's stories that do... it's venturing too close to the stories where Ranma gains not just Naruto's jutsu but everyone else's.
...well, okay, I'm exaggerating, mostly. Maybe. I hope.

[camk4evr]

What is this problem you speak of, why would Ranma have this problem? It looks almost as if Ranma already has all the the abilities the sharingan eye gives.

What am I missing?

From wikipedia:

Once the attack is formed the user rushes at their opponent and thrusts their arm into a certain part of the body, such as the heart. While the technique is usually fatal to its target, the speed at which the user moves causes them to experience tunnel vision, leaving them open for attack.[17] If the user possesses a Sharingan, however, they are able to take in more detail while moving, allowing them to avoid counterattacks.[18]

[Ordieth117]

Hrm. The Benny Hill reference made me imagine a version of the chase sequences, only with Team Seven. ^_^; (Then again, that probably would be easy to imagine with Jiraiya around...)

I didn't really want to include Chidori/Rasengan, even though there's stories that do... it's venturing too close to the stories where Ranma gains not just Naruto's jutsu but everyone else's.
...well, okay, I'm exaggerating, mostly. Maybe. I hope.

That might make a neat story idea - where Ranma replaces the Copy Cat Nin.

[Vasey]

Ranma with the sharingan would be hilarious overkill. I actually read a reincarnation fic where Ranma was Sasuke once but it went nowhere despite its hilarious opening scenes. Shame because the author had Ranma and Ryoga right in character despite their being Sasuke and Naruto in that story.

[Zwzn]

What is this problem you speak of, why would Ranma have this problem? It looks almost as if Ranma already has all the the abilities the sharingan eye gives.

What am I missing?

From wikipedia:

Once the attack is formed the user rushes at their opponent and thrusts their arm into a certain part of the body, such as the heart. While the technique is usually fatal to its target, the speed at which the user moves causes them to experience tunnel vision, leaving them open for attack.[17] If the user possesses a Sharingan, however, they are able to take in more detail while moving, allowing them to avoid counterattacks.[18]

This looks like the article I checked befor easking why Ranma would have a problem performing the technique. As far as I can tell Ranma would have as much trouble with the flaw as a person with Sharingan.

I can't recall Ranma having trouble with tunnel vision when moving at least as fast as any Naruto martial artists.

Ranma basicly has the Sharingan and the Byakugan seemingly because of his training alone.

[CRBWildcat]

Somehow, I highly doubt that. 360-degree vision within a specific range? Being able to hypnotize someone after locking eyes with them? Tough training, even the stuff that Genma and Cologne put him through, doesn't account for everything. Ranma being able to match wits with the Sharingan and Byakugan without having some degree of difficulty? You may as well just make him a demigod and be done with it; that way, no one would confuse him with being human.

[Mitchell]

The hypnotism and 360 degree vision I can't see him developing but I can see him through training learning to do the 'predictive' stuff since apparently that runs on muscle movements. Similarly if 'ki-vision' which is a rather common ability to observe aura's is brought in I can see him Pulling of the 'seeing the Tenketsu' or whatever. Blocking the hypnotism of the Sharingan is the only really difficult thing I could see.

[CRBWildcat]

Predictive stuff to some degree I could probably imagine, but that wasn't quite my point. What I was trying to say is that assuming that Ranma already has the abilities that the Sharingan and Byakugan grant is assuming a bit much.

[Mitchell]

Well the prediction thing is just a visual version of something a marital artist of Ranma's capabilities would already have, aka a knowledge how muscles work to predict how somebody is going to move in the short term future. Being able to see the Tenketsu or pressure points might not be a ability somebody has without a bit of training but somebody who uses pressure points in fights would probably either have the knowledge where they are or possibly trained to see the points on somebody's body. Ranma being able to learn through visual means is cannon even if its vastly slower than the Cheatagan's abilities to insta copy a technique.

Hypnosis or 360 vision I can't see him having though again its probably possible to recreate it in a way...

[CRBWildcat]

I'll admit to being foggy on some of the details; other than the manga fight with Saffron and a portion of the first half of the anime, I've more or less ignored Ranma 1/2 as a series. I can't really say that I agree with what's being discussed right now (I'm just going by what I've seen and known), but for the sake of time I'm not going to argue with it.

As for the story itself, much as some parts of it sicken me, I think the idea of Ranma and the others being Anko's students was pretty good.

[Vasey]

Well the prediction thing is just a visual version of something a marital artist of Ranma's capabilities would already have, aka a knowledge how muscles work to predict how somebody is going to move in the short term future.

Oh, yes. A high-level martial artist like Ranma is very good at predicting the next move of his opponent almost by definition. But not on the same, more than faintly ridiculous level as the sharingan. The sharingan offers near-perfect prediction to those with the physical speed to make the most of it. Ranma's not quite that good!

Similarly if 'ki-vision' which is a rather common ability to observe aura's is brought in I can see him Pulling of the 'seeing the Tenketsu' or whatever. Blocking the hypnotism of the Sharingan is the only really difficult thing I could see.

Ranma won't be seeing the tenketsu any time soon. Remember, that's an extremely rare ability even amongst those with overpowered bloodlines that work along those lines. It would seem cheap to me if Ranma replicated the ability. And I'm not really a huge fan of ki-vision anyway; it seems rather redundant when you consider the 'sixth sense' that high level martial artists (and ninja) have unless you're talking something ridiculous like the doujutsu of the Naruto world, which, like I said, Ranma's not emulating.

Blocking the hypnotism, though, that's no different from resisting a genjutsu, albeit a really powerful one that can come on in a moment's notice. Unless you're talking tsukiyomi. All bets are off when you bring that into play.

Being able to see the Tenketsu or pressure points might not be a ability somebody has without a bit of training but somebody who uses pressure points in fights would probably either have the knowledge where they are or possibly trained to see the points on somebody's body.

Indeed. Memorising the location of the points is the normal method as far as this story is concerned.

Ranma being able to learn through visual means is cannon even if its vastly slower than the Cheatagan's abilities to insta copy a technique.

Nothing I could disagree with there. Ranma's learning curve is somewhere the other side of utterly insane.

Hypnosis or 360 vision I can't see him having though again its probably possible to recreate it in a way...

Hypnosis is clearly replicable within the Naruto universe. Orochimaru does it. Hell, Orochimaru has his own little version of tsukiyomi . . . okay, so it got god-moded to nothing by Sasuke, but it still exists.

As for the story itself, much as some parts of it sicken me, I think the idea of Ranma and the others being Anko's students was pretty good.

Sicken you? That sounds a bit dramatic. Anything in particular being problematic for you?

[CRBWildcat]

Sicken you? That sounds a bit dramatic. Anything in particular being problematic for you?

You don't need to change anything on my account, or anything like that. I just don't think I'm ever going to be able to reread the scene where the missing-nin Hyuuga gets killed without feeling woozy (I have a bit of a sensitive stomach where bloody scenes are concerned).

Heh. The question could be raised of what I'm doing voluntarily reading these stories if the stuff is going to be there sooner or later (especially where Anko's involved). Usually if I skip those parts, I'm alright.

As far as plus-sides go, I liked the role that Anko played in the story, as I said earlier. Ranma and the others being kept in character, and him training Hinata and Hanabi were good points in my book, too. And don't even get me started on the fights in Chapters 20-21.

[Vasey]

You must have had quite the time working your way through the Naruto canon. There are plenty of moments in the vein of Hiro's death in it, a couple in the Wave arc alone if I remember right, and it's not exactly left to the imagination. I thought I'd skimped on the details, to be honest.

And I'm glad to hear you enjoyed those fight scenes. They were my favourite parts of the story to write, I must admit. I'm happiest when filling my chapters with cheap humour and epic fight scenes.