Ranma/Akane's Marriage: how long do you think it would last?

[AshK1980]

I honestly am not too sure on that. As long as they marry each other willingly and their father's don't force them to it should last a long time. I think the reason why they act the way the do in the Anime and most of the Manga is because their father's are telling them they have to get married for honor. Those two idiots are far from honorable. That's just my opinion.

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

They do not show any sort of surprise.

Kasumi doesn't move and spills the tea on the floor. Nabiki falls with her elbows on the floor, after she had rested with them on the table. They are bewildered and don't do anything out of surprise.

And that contradicts Nabiki, and Kasumi's actions.

What actions? Sitting by his side until he wakes up is no action. If they were concerned they would have called an ambulance despite what Ganma says.

Show a couple of examples of her attacks hurting innocent persons, then it's a pattern.

It's a pattern because we see it again and again. Akanre gets angry, and lashes out at what is the source.

We are talking about her attacks hurting innocent persons, not the person that caused her anger.

If Akane's behavior is not a pattern of get angry and hit something why does such a thing keep happening?

I never said she didn't have the habit of getting angry and hitting things, just like near everyone else in the series. There is no pattern of her attacks hurting innocent people.

Why do her own sisters say she is a violent maniac?

They say that because like every sibling they don't pull any punches, when they are talking about each other.

Akane has an extremely hard time controlling her self when angry, and that is a part of her character from beginning to end.

Everyone in the world has a hard time controlling themselves when they get angry. Akane just belongs to those who have it harder.

Then Kasumi does not care about the safety of her sisters. If the balcony was really a danger there would have been clear evidence of that.

Or she thought that it was just a small damage. She is not an expert on building safety, you know.

No, Ranma notes Dr.Tofu is a highly skilled martial artist because the guy can sneak up on him.

That's easy to note after being snuck upon.

Ranma is extremely aware of his surrounds.

That still doesn't give him the mystical ability to know if there is a martial artist in a school, or the ability to see at a glance if a person is a martial artist.

Hardly the actions of someone who commonly jumps on random people's heads.

Or he is ambarassed each time it hurts people despite his technique.

He thinks Shampoo and Ukyo are cute as well. Thinking someone is pretty is not a sigh someone wants to marry that person.

But he doesn't spend time thinking about what they mean to him. Akane is something else in his mind.

There is also a lot that happens when the "camera" is turned off.

And what would that be, oh mighty guru that can see the space between panels?

It's the way she says it that matters, and not a possible why.

And what way is that? In that situation all she says is "Hiiiiiii" and thinks "Oh, Ranma, poor Ranma."

If you throw a punch at someone, you should expect to be hit back. Akane considers it okay when insult at times accidently, and by things that a normal person would not have taken as an insult with physical attacks, torture, and putting people in life threatening positions.

I see you do not deny anymore that Ranma insults Akane, instead of bending over backwards.

From those two events she knew Ranma was extremely harder to hurt, and far faster then she is, but she is sure Ranma will lose.

She had no idea until Ranma fought him that Tatewaki was holding back.

Chapter 7, page 4: (linkAkane: "I think you should know that when he battles a male opponent upperclassman Kuno is very skilled."

She knows that both Ranma and Kuno are better than her. She doesn't know which one is the better and from what she has seen, she thinks it's Kuno.

This thread is about Akane and Ranma getting married. I would not be surprised if Kodachi had murdered people as well given she tries to in canon.

Akane has an extremely hard time controlling her temper. Akane would lash out in a fit of rage at the thing that angered her.

Shampoo is a cold blooded killer, who planed to kill Akane, and blame Taro.

Ukyo while not much better is not likely to kill random people like the others.

And still no reason why Akane should have killed innocents before the series.

What reason have we to believe that she is mentally ill and has killed?

And why isn't she in prison, if all the characters behaviour is supposed to make sense?

Akane has a hair trigger fuse, and has an extremely hard time controlling herself when angry. Edits what she sees and hears when faced with proof to fit her own delusions, and sees nothing wrong with her behavior.

Akane lives in normal society, with normal friends, in a mostly normal home. She scares her classmates at times.

Everyone edits the world around them to fit their own preconceptions, especially when they are angry at someone. Everyone thinks their own behavior is right.

When did she scare her classmates? Give me some examples. Aren't those classmates scared of Ranma's abilities and moods too?

What reason have we to believe that she is mentally ill and has killed?

And why isn't she in prison, if all the characters behaviour is supposed to make sense?

Ranma1/2 is a very dark series.

It's a friggin' comedy! What world are you living on?

I don't see where you are getting the idea that the events in DragonBall are not serious. Everything certainly took a serious tone by Z.

Yes. DragonBalls is mostly comedy. Dragonball Z is mostly fighting. The series was renamed in the middle. The joke in Z are the absurd power levels of unarmed fighters.

[camk4evr]

Guys, if you are going to continue to debate about Akane's character, could you do it in a different thread. Arguing about the length of their potential marriage or whether or not they should be together or why or why not their right for each other is one thing and fits this thread but this debate about Akane doesn't and will likely bring down a moderator soon. So please move your debate for another thread.

[toushin]

Instead of continuing to arguing let’s go about this in a different way. The love arc, there are two instances in that are where ryoga appeared to be trying to rape ranma. The first was when she walked into his tent just after ryoga had ripped off ranma’s shirt. The second time was when ryoga explained what he did. He never got a chance to say that it was an accident, so to akane he just said I tried to rape your fiancé.

Yet through all this akane did nothing to help ranma. Her only reaction freaking out when she saw ranma doodeling. When she caught ryoga on top ranma she just left. Also when she finally found out she was more concerned with ryoga then ranma.

Then look at from another angel if it was ranma and not ryoga. Lets say ryoga got to the tendo home and turned into a pig dropping the rod. Ranma picked it up and accidently hit someone, what would akane’s reaction be to that.

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

She thinks that Ryoga is - unlike Kuno - a nice guy and wouldn't do anything bad to Ranma. He acted very shy during their dates.

She also knows that Ranma also often uses his female body to mess with his rivals, especially Ryoga (he disguises himself half a dozen times as a girl to mess with him). Experience tells her that Ranma is doing that to confuse Ryoga.

What if Ryoga fell in love with Ranma after he accidentally used the rod on him? She would think the same as above, only that Ryoga really fell for Ranma's tricks.

@camk4evr - Isn't debating Akane's character necessary for figuring out how long a marriage between Ranma and Akane would last?

[camk4evr]

@camk4evr - Isn't debating Akane's character necessary for figuring out how long a marriage between Ranma and Akane would last?

Only if you were also debating Ranma's character and how the two complemented/clashed with each other or the external influences on their marriage. Where does Akane may or may not killing some one come into this? Considering that there are rapists, murderers, and theives with happy (if screwed up) marriages it doesn't unless the personality of the spouse comes into play.

Lets get back to Akane and Ranma. Would Ranma forgive Akane for hitting him? Would Akane trust him if she found Shampoo in their bed? Would Shampoo kill them in their sleep? would they cheat on each other? Those are some of what you should be debating. Debating about just Akane is useless without also debating Ranma and his reactions as he's an integral part of their marriage. And debating what may have happened before the the manga is worse than useless as there is no evidence to support either side (well since Akane and Ranma are not in jail nor wanted by the police we can assume they haven't killed anyone^_^)

[Southern Cross]

Debating? Looked more like the anti-Akanes were assassinating Akane's character again....
Akane a killer? The least violent of Ranma's "fiancees"? (Note; I said LEAST violent. At least Akane doesn't use a combat spatula like Ukyo.)
There's no indication that either Shampoo or Mousse have murdered anybody,and neither of them have any qualms about killing.

[Zwzn]

Would Ranma forgive Akane for hitting him?

Everyone has a limit, and it is just a matter of time before Ranma realizes the Tendos behavior is not considered proper

Would Akane trust him if she found Shampoo in their bed?

I can't recall her ever taking Ranma's word in such situations even when he provides hard evidence, and a detailed explanation.

Would Shampoo kill them in their sleep?

Shampoo is shown to be a cold blooded killer. Shampoo has also lied through her teeth about her relationship with Ranma. She can't go back without him really.

would they cheat on each other?

Akane has cheated on Ranma in canon to try to make him jealous. She has put herself in situations where she would be alone with someone she knows has the hots for her, and has a hard time controlling himself., and was angry Ranma wanted to come along.

Akane knows exactly how Ryoga feels after the water-proof soap arc.

And debating what may have happened before the the manga is worse than useless as there is no evidence to support either side

"Akane is a nice girl, but a violent maniac." You don't describe someone who only recently started having problems that way.

I just don't get the jokes like Shampoo trying to kill Akane, and blame it on Taro

(well since Akane and Ranma are not in jail nor wanted by the police we can assume they haven't killed anyone^_^)

Serial kills can go a long time before even being noticed, and be very hard to find, police investigations take time, and depending on how much political power you want to give the Tendos and Kunos it could be very slow going. Akane's M.O. would be punch the guy, and then just walks away. The crimes would seem random at first at least, and carried out by a very average looking if cute girl in her teens. They would have likely stopped around the time Ranma showed up, and have started not long before. It would make for an interesting Criminal Minds/Ranma1/2 crossover/fusion

Genma and Ranma are shown in canon to be thieves who at least partly avoid the law by moving around a lot, traveling to other countries,

[Zwzn]

Debating? Looked more like the anti-Akanes were assassinating Akane's character again....
Akane a killer? The least violent of Ranma's "fiancees"? (Note; I said LEAST violent. At least Akane doesn't use a combat spatula like Ukyo.)
There's no indication that either Shampoo or Mousse have murdered anybody,and neither of them have any qualms about killing.

Didn't we make a list that scored Akane as one of the nastiest and most violent girls Ranma is engaged to?

Anyway this thread is about Akane, Ranma, and how a marriage between the two would work out, and that is why the other girls are not being talked about

The weapons Akane uses are anything on hand be it tables, bows and arrows, swords, knives, large mallets, fists, feet, large blocks of ice Nodoka...

Akane is no better then Ukyo, Shampoo, and Kodachi.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

The "Good, Bad, Ugly" list for Akane in the manga was the only manga-specific one that was ever completed; none of the other manga characters had one started or finished if it was started. As I recall, the result was not very pleasant (something like "if Uglies need to be equal in value to Bads for Akane to be perfectly neutral, then each Ugly must be worth 1.49 Bads"), but not unquestionably evil (which would require Uglies to be worth negative Bads). As for the anime Good-Bad-Ugly lists (to be found here), I believe that Akane was, indeed, one of the nastier girls, though I'm pretty sure she was still ranked as having a positive number of Uglies to Bads.

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

Would Ranma forgive Akane for hitting him?

Depends on the situation. Can he figure out why she did it? Was she in the right or in the wrong?
She does apologize when she realizes she was in the wrong. One example was during the Happosai firefist arc, after she found out why they were at those hot springs and Ranma was still a bit angry at her, but he seemed to have forgiven her the next day after she joined him in his trap for Happosai.

Ranma takes every other hit by Akane in his stride.

Would Akane trust him if she found Shampoo in their bed?

Depends on the situation. If she found them together in bed after she returned from somewhere, then she would react like every other wife who finds her husband in bed with someone else. She would be furious but Ranma might convince her that Shampoo snuck in trying to be a homewrecker or she might even have learned from experience and would trust him. Though she would still demand an explanation.
If she found Shampoo in bed with her and Ranma she would demand an explanation from Shampoo. She is not such a heavy sleeper that she wouldn't notice them having sex next to her.

Would Shampoo kill them in their sleep?

If she thinks she would get away with it, she might poison Akane in her sleep. But it really depends what Amazon law say about that situation. The law seems strict but Shampoo doesn't spend much time following it.

would they cheat on each other?

It would take more than a fight before any of them would sleep with someone else than their partner since they don't see sex or even kissing as something casual.

[toushin]

She also knows that Ranma also often uses his female body to mess with his rivals, especially Ryoga (he disguises himself half a dozen times as a girl to mess with him). Experience tells her that Ranma is doing that to confuse Ryoga.

Pretending to be a girl in ryoga’s presence is one thing but writing him love letter’s when your by yourself, being found naked under him, oh and having someone say to your face I tried to rape your fiancé are totally different thing.

Ranma is far from perfect but he is generally a nice guy, his main problem is he is used to being by himself so he interacts with people accordingly. The way he speaks is find to him but very insulting to other people. Also he is very competitive he mostly only insults people who have insulted him. Nobody can really argue this. Yes I’m sure everybody has a handful of instances where ranma has started the fight, but usually it’s akane who initializes an incident.

Now on that end akane is the same. I am not an akane basher I like her a lot but she has problems you just can’t ignore. She doesn’t trust ranma she doesn’t even try to. You can’t even use her dislike for boy’s to justify it, because of the numerous instances where she took ryoga’s side over his. She uses him to vent her frustrations on but then gets furious at him when he retaliates. On top of that she’s spoiled things like cooking, sowing, etc she gets it into her head that she has mastered these skills and if it’s pointed out that she hasn’t she erupts. But then again you can’t really blame akane for being like that; the only one you can blame is soun. Like genma is mostly to blame for the way ranma is. The difference is that with the exception of a few really bad habits, like the total loss of concentration when he’s hungry, and his obsession with being the best ranma tries hard not to emulate genma, while akane has relished attention.

Will a marriage between akane work, no, not without a lot of help. Yet, who’s going to help them, not their parents who just want to rush a weeding as soon as possible while completely ignoring all the problems they have. I’m pretty sure the other fiancées aren’t going to be too happy with them being married, and thinking that ryoga and the others would be any help is a joke. There are just too many problems between the two to have a long marriage.

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

Pretending to be a girl in ryoga’s presence is one thing but writing him love letter’s when your by yourself, being found naked under him, oh and having someone say to your face I tried to rape your fiancé are totally different thing.

No love letters, just doodles. Not naked, just an open shirt. He didn't say rape.

The way he speaks is find to him but very insulting to other people.

He is able to speak respectfully if he wants to. None of the characters ever complain about his way of talking.

Also he is very competitive he mostly only insults people who have insulted him. Nobody can really argue this.

I sure don't. But mostly is such a vague term.

Yes I’m sure everybody has a handful of instances where ranma has started the fight, but usually it’s akane who initializes an incident.

How about you crush the numbers on this to back up this claim. List all the fights and who started them.

Now on that end akane is the same. I am not an akane basher I like her a lot but she has problems you just can’t ignore. She doesn’t trust ranma she doesn’t even try to. You can’t even use her dislike for boy’s to justify it, because of the numerous instances where she took ryoga’s side over his.

Could you list them? Otherwise I would say she takes P-chan's side over Ranma's.

She uses him to vent her frustrations on but then gets furious at him when he retaliates.

When did she ever do this? Give me an example!

On top of that she’s spoiled things like cooking, sowing, etc she gets it into her head that she has mastered these skills and if it’s pointed out that she hasn’t she erupts.

She never claims that she has mastered cooking. She just wants people to try her food.

But then again you can’t really blame akane for being like that; the only one you can blame is soun. Like genma is mostly to blame for the way ranma is. The difference is that with the exception of a few really bad habits, like the total loss of concentration when he’s hungry, and his obsession with being the best ranma tries hard not to emulate genma, while akane has relished attention.

Oh, that's one theory you will have to explain further.

You claim a lot of things, but all I can see is fanon bullshit, based on "The Bitter End" and other fics. Give me some examples!

Now that you've found the shift key, could you start to capitalize names?

[Zwzn]

Ranma is far from perfect but he is generally a nice guy, his main problem is he is used to being by himself so he interacts with people accordingly. The way he speaks is find to him but very insulting to other people. Also he is very competitive he mostly only insults people who have insulted him. Nobody can really argue this. Yes I’m sure everybody has a handful of instances where ranma has started the fight, but usually it’s akane who initializes an incident.

For the most part Ranma is a surprisingly normal teenage. He's also one of the most mature characters in the series, and that is down right sad.

Now on that end akane is the same. I am not an akane basher I like her a lot but she has problems you just can’t ignore. She doesn’t trust ranma she doesn’t even try to. You can’t even use her dislike for boy’s to justify it, because of the numerous instances where she took ryoga’s side over his. She uses him to vent her frustrations on but then gets furious at him when he retaliates. On top of that she’s spoiled things like cooking, sowing, etc she gets it into her head that she has mastered these skills and if it’s pointed out that she hasn’t she erupts. But then again you can’t really blame akane for being like that; the only one you can blame is soun. Like genma is mostly to blame for the way ranma is. The difference is that with the exception of a few really bad habits, like the total loss of concentration when he’s hungry, and his obsession with being the best ranma tries hard not to emulate genma, while akane has relished attention.

The characters don't live in a vacuum. Even if Soun and Genma are poor parents there are still other people in the kids lives. This is less so in Ranma's life then Akane because of all the traveling Ranma and Genma did.

Akane has mostly normal life, and yet acts like, well you know.

Ranma has been dragged all over the place never staying long, and ended up mostly normal.

Will a marriage between akane work, no, not without a lot of help. Yet, who’s going to help them, not their parents who just want to rush a weeding as soon as possible while completely ignoring all the problems they have. I’m pretty sure the other fiancées aren’t going to be too happy with them being married, and thinking that ryoga and the others would be any help is a joke. There are just too many problems between the two to have a long marriage.

You just explained why they will never get married.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Walking in and looking at the massive quote omnislash attacks going on everywhere, I'll just point out one thing about any arguments trying to make a point on the grounds of slapstick/comedy violence.

You have to take said events as one of two ways.

1: These events are 'normal' for the universe in question.
In this scenario, you cannot take events that occur in comical context seriously. As people have pointed out... If even a fraction of the things that happen in Ranma happened in real life, they'd all be institutionalized for a multitude of reasons. But this is NOT the real world. It is a stylized, comedy version. Despite the amount of bodily harm, much of which can be classified as assault with a deadly weapon... And despite the property damage, lack of passports and acts of public indecency... There is no law enforcement involved, no legal action being taken. By the parties described in the narrative, or by third parties invariably affected by the antics who would have reason to do so. Thus, it is safe to conclude that such events can be considered 'normal' enough in this world that while seeming extreme to us, they're more of a nuscense.

2: These events are dramatizations, and did not happen as we perceive.
In this scenario, all events are exaggerations done by the story to entertain. The amount of property damage did not include massive property destruction, but instead some overturned tables and broken glass here and there. Akane did not actually hit Ranma as hard as we are shown, though she may have dislocated something from time to time. Ranma was most certainly not launched fifty meters into the air by Happosai when a human can barely handle a ten foot drop on a good day.

Either way, you have to apply consistency with the rules. If you apply the laws of physics and the laws of OUR universe to their scenario, you have to treat the events within' the limits of physics. One cannot, even with the best martial arts training, blatently violate the laws of physics in the ways Ranma and company have done before. Therefor, it didn't happen as shown.
Otherwise, you have to treat the laws of physics by THEIR rules. In that case, they CAN do what is shown, and what is shown can be considered more or less normal. Normal enough that nobody gives a rats ass when a pair of marital artists rip entire buildings apart.

You cannot have both.