Silent Guardian

[Kii]

i dont think ill have the nanban mirror linked in any way to the gates. i'm thinkign more alogn the lines that the mirror uses a higher order of magic than the gates do to do its traveling. hell, it could have been made because some mage was simply annoyed with setsuna not letting him play around in time. im also thinkign that since, officially, the mirror can't change the past, that the mirror leaves an anchor to where it was last used in it's 'home timeline'. thats why when the cast originally used it, nothign changed.
also thinging, if i use the mage-made idea, that it has a temporal cloak on it and the vicinity so that it fools the timegates into seeing another timeline instead of what it is viewing could drive setsuna crazy when she starts lookign at places she knew she was, but doesn't see herself ^^.
i may have pluto eventually start hunting down the 'cause fo the disruption' since i dont think ranma woudl still be holding onto the mirror in crystal tokyo's timeframe, and by then CT will have changed from pluto's original vision.
i'm still thinkign of another way to disrupt past-ranma's meetign with hotaru.. but Ranma meeting Ranma or Nemesis meeting Ranma are still the best two ways i see it happening. if ranma woudl listen to anyone, it woudl be himself, right?
also have an idea i may or may not use. canonicly (is that even a word?) mistress 9 takes over hotaru's body and hotaru protects chibiusa's heart crystal (and everyoen elses that gets absorbed if i remember the manga right) and eventually the gate to pharoh 90 gets oppened and saturn takes over and leaps in with moon close behind to return with a baby-hotaru that the outers raise.
i was thinkign another path to a similar ending. have ranma end up disrupting the plans to open the gate to pharoh 90 and mistress 9, being a good little lackey, trys to dispatch the senshi so she can try to reopen the gate.. or something else that basicly gets the whole crew in the same place against mistress 9 at a standoff. Nemesis hops and defends mistress 9 while saying "i wont let you kill hotaru! not again!!" he had told the inners bits and pieces earlier about loosing someone and then becomign nemesis. since saturn is unneeded at this point (pharoh is sealed again) hotaru wouldn't fully awaken as saturn. moon would heal her and, since she's been dead or near dead since she was a child (kept alive only by cybernetic life support and probably mistress 9. forget weather she was a negative on hotaru's lifespan or not) it would revert her to a child or baby form.
with that, i could have nodoka help re-raise hotaru ^^ since ranma woudl definately be opposed to the outers takign her, even if pluto trys to force it ^^
like?

[Climhazard]

dont think ill have the nanban mirror linked in any way to the gates. i'm thinkign more alogn the lines that the mirror uses a higher order of magic than the gates do to do its traveling.

Uhhh... If i remeber right, Setsuna allways refer to time like a "Time stream"? And stream mean line? Which mean that in her perception time a one-dimensional? But that wrong! Some time ago i read that time actually TWO-dimensional. So if Nanban creator know this, then maybe he enginered mirror use a "side ways" around Time Gate? And Setsuna, with her one-dimensional sacanning, won't able to see Naban traveller.
PS. Errrr... I hope evereone understand this .

[crystlshake]

I think I follow what you mean in comparison to geometry. One dimensional (like a point) allows viewing of a certain time frame (like a photo). Two dimensional (like a line) would allow viewing along a time (like a recording). With three dimensional (like a plane) allowing interaction in that frame. Thereby moving in the 3rd would allow him to step around the time between and re-emerge in anouther without showing up inbetween, thus making tracking him near imposible with out anouther point of reference. Since the gate seems to only be able to focus on one time line at a time, perpendicular movement in the 3rd dimension wouldnt be trackable. Something like that?

[kuopiofi]

Looks good. Makes it clearer.
I think you got it.

[Climhazard]

Something like that?

Oh yes, exactly .

[Kii]

actually. Pluto guards the 'Gates of Time and Space'. so they must view atleast 4 dimentions (3 spacial that we exist in and the 4th being what time). it might not have capability to view OTHER timelines (as that would mean an infinite number of gates within that miasma the gates exist in).
im actually viewing it liek this:
pluto only concerns herself with HER timeline and only knows posibilities of the future (thus only has percentages and info of how to alter them.)
the black moon wanted to alter THEIR past, so used Nemesis's power to 'lock' their timeline as they wen't back. this is where i pull a bit of Journeyman Project. they are unaffected in the future because the changes in time have to ripple forward and it takes time (relative) for that to happen. also, pluto's use of the gate for travel may be a 'locking' mechanism as well. travel through the timegate is a gate-to-gate thing so the gate can keep the travelers in the SAME timeline without splintering it off.
i dont think pluto ever really MEETS or TALKS TO herself, as Neo-Queen and Princess Serentity getting too close to eachother was a bad idea. (they only talked slightly, and from a great distance in the manga.. so i dont see pluto meeting herself. would probably be the thing thats worse than a taboo).
the mirror doesn't work like the gates, as it causes timelines to split. pluto COULD detect the shift in the timeline and that it was caused by a force from outside the timestream, but either the mirror has the properties to hide the traveler (explains why they wern't bothered when they used it before), or that it really didn't affect the future that pluto was protecting.
the mirror has ties to the 5th dimention (for returnign home) but its somethign so minor, the gate doesnt see it, even if it does have ability to view into the 5th beyond a probability standpoint.
anyway, about time being 2 dimentional... i dnt see why it woudl be. atleast from human perspective, time is only forward and backwards. maybe its 2 dimentional and the non-time is something like Langoleers (however its spelled).otherwise i consider 4th time and 5th other universes. 6th woudl be other types of existance (like i woudl suspect ascended beings from Stargate SG-1 to be here... unless teres a level between time and space for them, then i would call this the place of dieties and/or where souls go.)
im probably gonna start writing this soon. so im still thinkign of the best style. if i start from the begining, story-wise, then ill pull a buildup to a big drop in action.. which seems pointless.
im thinkign of writing it from the begining, temporally.. as in start with the new ranma in Sailor Nemesis getup appearing in juuban. then procede along the story, inserting flashbacks where appropriate. like after nemesis diverts past-ranma, and on her way to meet hotaru for the second first time. that woudl be a good time for a number of mini-flashbacks to some good times shared by both along with hinting at how ranma took the girl's apparent death before the flashback is interupted.
any opinions on what i should do to divert ranma? im still thinking a nemesis-ranma or ranma-ranma meeting woudl be best. ooh.. i dea. maybe have a Nemesis-Ranma meeting. where nemesis challenges ranma with the stakes being Ranma honorbound to stay out of juuban and the delta vs Nemesis tellign ranma how to deal with the fiancee situation or some upcoming battle. the battle woudl be quick and even if nemesis looses, she can still offer more information to get him to promise to not come around.

[crystlshake]

If she doesnt feel too guilty lying to herself she could claim to be anouther fiance'. It would probably scare him off. I doubt it would work too well though as it could attract unwanted attention from Nerima for Nemesis and may create seperation between regular Ranma and Hotaru which could cause complications with attatchment. Of course the inner senshi or other girls could cause him to pull a disapearing act when they got around Hotaru. Venus and Jupiter in particular could be used to good effect with that strategy.
As an addendum to the meeting thing could have them plot something and work together to accomplish multiple tasks at once. That way they can keep her under more surveilance without allerting the senshi, villians or fiances. Especially fiances. I can just see the logic train pile up when they conclude what Ranma spending time with a quiet younger girl could mean. Might get some interesting reactions if that came to light.

[Climhazard]

anyway, about time being 2 dimentional... i dnt see why it woudl be. atleast from human perspective, time is only forward and backwards. maybe its 2 dimentional and the non-time is something like Langoleers (however its spelled).otherwise i consider 4th time and 5th other universes. 6th woudl be other types of existance (like i woudl suspect ascended beings from Stargate SG-1 to be here... unless teres a level between time and space for them, then i would call this the place of dieties and/or where souls go.)

Physicist's say that our Universum actually a 11-dimensional . Or even 13-dimensional if you include time as well.

[Kii]

As an addendum to the meeting thing could have them plot something and work together to accomplish multiple tasks at once. That way they can keep her under more surveilance without allerting the senshi, villians or fiances. Especially fiances. I can just see the logic train pile up when they conclude what Ranma spending time with a quiet younger girl could mean. Might get some interesting reactions if that came to light.

i was thinkign about that, but decided that Nemesis-Ranma's main concern is to both keep Hotaru out of the nerima-chaos and to keep her safe from the Senshi. if nerima was to be draged into the middle of the senshi's fight.. then he woudl have no way to protect hotaru short of takign her and running. nope, not letting nerima in.
also.. im keeping past-ranma and nemesis-ranma seprate. ive been thinking of having Nemesis challenge ranma to a match. she does so whiel hiding and makes him accept the challenge before she reveals herself. she makees the deal with him staying out of juuban and the delta if she wins, while makign an offer of helpful information if he wins. She knows she'll win because she wont hold back and he will, thinkign 'its just a girl in a skirt'. she wins quickly and gives him a bit of advise anyway. prbably "tell them how you truly feel about them."

[WG_Writer]

future Ranma drops a few Black Cats in past Ranma's path

[GenocideHeart]

also.. im keeping past-ranma and nemesis-ranma seprate. ive been thinking of having Nemesis challenge ranma to a match. she does so whiel hiding and makes him accept the challenge before she reveals herself. she makees the deal with him staying out of juuban and the delta if she wins, while makign an offer of helpful information if he wins. She knows she'll win because she wont hold back and he will, thinkign 'its just a girl in a skirt'. she wins quickly and gives him a bit of advise anyway. prbably "tell them how you truly feel about them."

...no. Winning quickly in a mirror match between two masters of improvisation is flat out impossible, because they don't have an actual style, since Ranma tends to make his strategy up mid-fight.
The problem, of course, is that Ranma is fighting himself, which means the two are going to think alike. So chances are they'll end up predicting 90% of what the other will do, simply because they think the same way.
While it is true that Nemesis-Ranma will likely go all out while past-Ranma will hold back, I predict that such a fight will take forever before being over, and both combatants will be really banged up... assuming that they don't draw the Senshi's attention to begin with, since they'll probably give off enough power to trigger every alarm in the Mercury Computer.
Furthermore, if you plan to base Nodoka's house near or in Juuban, then Ranma WILL end up getting near or in Juuban regardless of what he promised Nemesis/Ranma. After all, his mom lives there. Between the promise to a complete stranger and the possibility of being close to his mother, Ranma will choose family every time.
Just a few things you'll want to keep in mind. They all are potential plotholes that could ruin the fic.

[TerraBull]

He may lose most likely, or he may pull a victory from the jaws of defeat, they think similar but have changed between themselves, anyway, even if they do make that deal, what is to stop some future villan from looking around, and using any of the Nerima group? Maybe Gos or Happi summons something or some horror is unleashed, hurts or turns some of the NWC and then runs off towards Juban?
To keep the past ranma and nemisis seperate completely, would the smart thing for Nemisis to do at that point, is to take Hotaru and just go, far away, and build a new life? There must be places that Nemisis would know about to live a quieter life.
Staying around either place in my oppinion is just asking for them to be discovered as some folks will not know when to stop plotting or meddling, 'knowing' that they are right and have to do it for the good of all.

[GenocideHeart]

He may lose most likely, or he may pull a victory from the jaws of defeat, they think similar but have changed between themselves, anyway, even if they do make that deal, what is to stop some future villan from looking around, and using any of the Nerima group? Maybe Gos or Happi summons something or some horror is unleashed, hurts or turns some of the NWC and then runs off towards Juban?
To keep the past ranma and nemisis seperate completely, would the smart thing for Nemisis to do at that point, is to take Hotaru and just go, far away, and build a new life? There must be places that Nemisis would know about to live a quieter life.
Staying around either place in my oppinion is just asking for them to be discovered as some folks will not know when to stop plotting or meddling, 'knowing' that they are right and have to do it for the good of all.

There's that, too, especially when you consider that Ranma is plagued by Finagle's Law, Murphy's Law and its corollaries.
"If something can go wrong, it will, at the worst possible time and in the worst imaginable way."
Unless Nemesis-Ranma grabs Hotaru and goes FAR away, she's asking to be discovered. The NerimaWrecking Crew are chaos magnets, as is Ranma himself, so something WILL go wrong. If everything went theway Nemesis wants to, it'd be so OOC it wouldn't be funny. Ranma's plans, in general, always get disrupted completely by something unexpected. So if Nemesis tries to keep Ranma away, she's just asking for a swift asskicking from Fate.

[Dragon Man]

I would think that Ranma seeing an older version of his girl side, maybe with a few prominent scars from fighting Uranus and Neptune, and knowing of the mirror would listen to her and they could work together.

[Kii]

...no. Winning quickly in a mirror match between two masters of improvisation is flat out impossible, because they don't have an actual style, since Ranma tends to make his strategy up mid-fight.
The problem, of course, is that Ranma is fighting himself, which means the two are going to think alike. So chances are they'll end up predicting 90% of what the other will do, simply because they think the same way.
While it is true that Nemesis-Ranma will likely go all out while past-Ranma will hold back, I predict that such a fight will take forever before being over, and both combatants will be really banged up... assuming that they don't draw the Senshi's attention to begin with, since they'll probably give off enough power to trigger every alarm in the Mercury Computer.
Furthermore, if you plan to base Nodoka's house near or in Juuban, then Ranma WILL end up getting near or in Juuban regardless of what he promised Nemesis/Ranma. After all, his mom lives there. Between the promise to a complete stranger and the possibility of being close to his mother, Ranma will choose family every time.
Just a few things you'll want to keep in mind. They all are potential plotholes that could ruin the fic.

well... im lookign for somethign that will be relatively wuick and i dont see much else that will work. Nemesis explaining to ranma coudl take forever (you never realize how dense you are until you talk to yourself ^^) do you really see a conversation between future and past ranmas workign better than just having his ego slightly bruised by getting beat by himself?
and of course i wouldn't hold ranma to the promise when his mother is involved.. maybe ill have her live in a nearby district that isn't pulled into the Juuban chaos.
and tell me.. how interesting would a fic be if ranma just hops back in time and drags hotaru back to the future with him to run away from everyone? whiel hotaru is still a vessel for Mistress 9 and a cyborg (that probably needs maintenance that only her father can provide).
and of course his plan isnt foolproof... thats why he doesnt have much too it. even he knows too complicated a plan will go wrong. basicly, his plan right now is to set himself up so he can watch out for and identify the senshi's normal identities. to him, its a mission with multiple goals.
Primary: Protect Hotaru
Secondary: Identify Senshi
he's hoping by keepign his past self out of juuban and from ever meeting hotaru that it will effectively keep it all in nerima. ive also coem up with a false name for Nemesis-Ranma.... Anraku Ranma. im still debating changing the first name.. but doubt ittl matter.
and ofcourse things are gonna go wrong.. i doubt ranma plans to have his soul stolen ^^