Is Shampoo really all that bad?

[TerraEpon]

There's also the fact that I've seen more than a couple fics where in whatever way, BOTH Akane and Ukyo get paired with Ranma, while Shampoo doesn't -- I don't think I've ever seen any other combo of two yes and one no (outside of Shampoo 1/2 where Ranma has to choose betwee Akane and Shampoo, though that's total AU anyway)


-Joshua

[FriendlyEL]

Actually, I don't remember the name of it but there was one fanfiction where Ranma marries both Shampoo and Ukyo some time after the failed wedding and they all go live happily ever after back at the Amazon village.

[Tovath]

There's two, which are AU, where Ranma ends up with Shampoo and Kodachi

[Ellen Kuhfeld]

There's two, which are AU, where Ranma ends up with Shampoo and Kodachi.

Shampoo AND Kodachi? Ish! Double jeopardy!

[Metroidvania]

Aondehafka's White Rose, if I'm not mistaken

[Ellen Kuhfeld]

Hey, thanks for the link! I started reading White Rose, but it was only up to four chapters at the time. Now I can finish it.

[TerraEpon]

I actually wasn't thinking of Kodachi when I wrote the above, but White Rose is even more AU than Shampoo 1/2...not that I don't like it, mind you. I just didn't remember any that was Ranma + Akane-Shampoo or Ukyo-Shampoo.

-Joshua

[FriendlyEL]

I understand that this is an old topic, but I thought about a question mentioned before and came up with a possible answer.

Still, if Shampoo were as eager a killer as she's often said to be, explain why Akane (or any of the other girls) are still alive?

Actually, she did in fact try to kill Akane in her introduction after she found out that she was cured of the mind erasing shampoo. As she tried to use a pressure point attack on her, Ranma immediately stopped her and told her not to do it. Her reaction, keep in mind, was to huff at him in dissapointment for not letting her do so. She seems ever since then to be aware, that as much as she'd like to do it and as easy as it would be to physically, killing Akane for whatever reason is only going to anger Ranma. I think that that's the greatest reason more than anything why you don't see Shampoo (and possibly Ukyo as well) making attempts to off Akane when they could do it easily; simple fear that it may only anger her airen.

Second, she did challenge Ukyo to a death match when they first met at the waterfall obsticle course. Unfortunately, she found out, Ukyo was a little more capable of defending herself than Akane, in fact she was able to fight evenly with her. Given her attitude that only her beloved can better her in combat, I think she sort of respected Ukyo and even sort of feared her after that incident.

And Kodachi, she probably just doesn't think of her as an "obsticle" due to Ranma's pushing her away.

So, I'll agree that she will tone down the killing intent if it's not neccicary for her goals, especially if she feels it may in fact hinder them.

[whatever]

I find Shampoo to be pretty nasty a lot of times, She is willing to kill a person if is an obstacle in her ways, manipulate people sometimes, use magic tricks to make Ranma to fall in love with her and blackmail people

I’m agree with FriendlyEl in what he said if she hasn’t try to kill Akane Again it is because of the fear that Ranma will be anger by that, That’s the reason why I think that she thought it would be a perfect opportunity to kill Akane when they were going to rescue her from Taro, everyone will think that Taro would be the responsible of Akane’s death

While she isn’t a good/okay person I don’t find her to be evil, why? Because of the way she was raised, it is really unbelievable but almost all the things that Shampoo makes to obtain her goals seems to be excusable or good for the amazons tribe:
Killing a girl that beat you in a tournament, killing someone who is an obstacle in your relationship, blackmail your fiancé or using magic on him are all good reasons for that tribe.

So I Think that in the evil ranking that was made for Ranma Cast she is perfect in the number 4 place where she was put

[Southern Cross]

Which also helps explain their loony marriage laws.Who in their right mind would want to be married into that tribe of lunatics?

[Atlan]

Keep in mind a few things:

Shampoo's village seems to take martial arts very seriously. In a culture where many people are at least at Kuno levels of dangerousness, there is bound to be some strangeness. Add in all the magical stuff and you've got a culture which is a lot different than ours.
If people as skilled with flowers as Pink and Link are even mildly common, then courtship in the amazon village must be very strange. Add to that the fact that every amazon we've seen is a martial artist, and you've got a culture is more like something out of history (or from the Discovery channel). A potiential partner is judged primarily on strength- hence the rule about being defeated by an outsider. That would seem to extend to rivals for love- note how Shampoo interacts with Akane, Ukyo and Kodachi- she takes the idea of proving herself better than them very strongly, yet seldom hesitates to work with them.

I'm not saying that she only loves Ranma for his strength though. I believe that for the Amazons, being a skilled warrior is like being rich or famous here- it isnt enough for love on it's own, but it goes a long way to help love along.

Despite the frequency of Shampoo's attempts to drug Ranma, many of them are childish. Appart from the Love Pill incident, most of the drugs just make Ranma kiss or hug her. That, to me, says that she isnt intrested in forcing Ranma to love her- she believes he alreaddy does. What she wants is for him to addmit it, or at least show her some affection.

[nuclear death frog]

Popping in for a moment...

Perhaps it's just me, but I view the Surikomi Eggs (I think that was their name) as a heck of a lot worse than you do, Atlan. Yes, Shampoo was nominally under Kiima's control, but what I got from the page was that Shampoo putting Ranma into the egg was her own idea. And I thought it was pretty clear from the page, though it's been a while since I read the Saffron arc, that Shampoo intended to force Ranma into bed once he hatched out of the egg, which would effectively be raping him, even though he could easily overpower her physically if he was in his right mind. And she had absolutely no problem with this concept, whereas Mousse, who is *much* more frequently demonized in fanon, *rejected* mind-control as a viable way of winning Shampoo.

When you combine that with her deliberately aiming at Akane with the bombs at the wedding, and all the other crap, it's no small wonder that I view Shampoo as one of the worst in the cast. Probably about number three of the main characters -- only Nabiki and Happi being arguably worse.

But that's just my opinion and as I said, it's been a while since I read that arc.

[FriendlyEL]

Killing a girl that beat you in a tournament, killing someone who is an obstacle in your relationship, blackmail your fiancé or using magic on him are all good reasons for that tribe.

That, to me, says that she isnt intrested in forcing Ranma to love her- she believes he alreaddy does. What she wants is for him to addmit it, or at least show her some affection.

The problem is in reality all her antics do is just make him want to deal with her less and less every time she does them, and the fact that he has specifically stated it outright that he sees her as a pest shows that she is aware of the fact that he does not love her and she will have to force him to. How is he supposed to love her when all she does is make his life a living hell?

[Atlan]

How is he supposed to love her when all she does is make his life a living hell?

I never said he does- only that Shampoo believes he does.

I like Shampoo, but even I have to admit that she can be an idiot.

[Zwzn]

Keep in mind a few things:

Shampoo's village seems to take martial arts very seriously. In a culture where many people are at least at Kuno levels of dangerousness, there is bound to be some strangeness. Add in all the magical stuff and you've got a culture which is a lot different than ours.

Given the villages laws I would say they care more about being powerful. They practice martial arts to be powerful. Ranma is powerful only as a side effect of the martial arts.

If people as skilled with flowers as Pink and Link are even mildly common, then courtship in the amazon village must be very strange. Add to that the fact that every amazon we've seen is a martial artist, and you've got a culture is more like something out of history (or from the Discovery channel). A potiential partner is judged primarily on strength- hence the rule about being defeated by an outsider. That would seem to extend to rivals for love- note how Shampoo interacts with Akane, Ukyo and Kodachi- she takes the idea of proving herself better than them very strongly, yet seldom hesitates to work with them.

Aren't Link and Pink from a near by village.

I'm not saying that she only loves Ranma for his strength though. I believe that for the Amazons, being a skilled warrior is like being rich or famous here- it isnt enough for love on it's own, but it goes a long way to help love along.

She like all the girls treats Ranma like a disobedient pet. A peace of propperty, and she often treats him worse then many of the other girls. They love him?

Despite the frequency of Shampoo's attempts to drug Ranma, many of them are childish. Appart from the Love Pill incident, most of the drugs just make Ranma kiss or hug her. That, to me, says that she isnt intrested in forcing Ranma to love her- she believes he alreaddy does. What she wants is for him to addmit it, or at least show her some affection.

So, what you are saying is Shampoo tries to RAPE Ranma agian and again, but fails because she is incompetent.