Star Trek Mirrorverse Style Ranma/SM crossover

[Metroidvania]

Basically, what it says.
If you're not familiar with this Star Trek (the original series) episode, here's a link.
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To sum it up, basically, Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Uhura get sent from their normal U(niverse) to that of the M(irror)) universe, where the federation as a whole is much more ruthless and violent, and some would say, almost opposite at points in their development.
While there's no ST aspect to this fic idea, it, combined with several other ideas, along with a small portion of WARNING: LIME/LEMONISH..... Midnight City gave me an idea that I like, though it'll probably need some input before I begin to implement it after RoTS is complete.
Anyways, let's take Ranma after the wedding, more precisely, _right_ after the wedding.
Depressed, upset, she misses Mousse's last ditch attempt, the broken nanban mirror (or possibly something more original) which sends her into an AU of mirror proportions.
While it's not a total inverse of all things canon Ranma, it's pretty messed up.
Kausmi, while on the outside still vapidly pleasant, now possesses quite the mean streak in her due to Soun's total inability to cope with his wife's death, and subsequent turn to alcohol and it's detrimental effects, only now, they're being taken out on his family.
Akane is now _really_ an angry, violent maniac, who tries to cover up her anger, but the things that attracted canon Ranma to her.....they're gone.
Nabiki, on the other hand, being terrified of both of her sisters, is now more or less pleasant to be around....that is, to any non-cruel person, so she's a bit more timid.
Shampoo's more deadly than bubbly, Cologne's got a vicious streak in her that's been tempered some by the council (so that there's not too much lack of like for Ranma for her to teach the bad Ranma anything), Mousse is now blatantly and totally hostile to Ranma, trying flat out death and dismemberment every time they meet.
Somehow, Kodachi and Kuno actually turned out to be decent, law abiding citizens in this one, and in a twist of fate, Kuno is the one who gets gang beaten at mornings during school for refusing to fight Akane at his full strength.
When AU Ranma arrives and AU Akane whines about Kuno being a loser, Kuno gets the crap beaten out of him when Ranma tests him, and quickly realizes that it's none of his business about any engagement to Akane.
Kodachi is now quite sane, and is after Ranma to try and "save" her Ranma-Sama from evil, the same with Kuno and the pigtailed girl....Ranma puts up with them (along with the usual poundings)because it boosts his ego to know he's so much a manly man/woman.
Happi's a _true_ perv in this one, and much harsher teacher, which is reflected in Genma, whose training methods in this world actually went beyond that of canon, and could truly be called a tragedy.
the AU Ranma, because of this, is something a cross between Ill Met By Starlight's Ranma and a really good fighting thug.
He's crass, a bully, and has to get his way at any cost, but retains his fighting skills at a level slightly better than even canon Ranma, since he's not holding back.....ever.
Fortunately, since bullying and violence is all he's known, he decided to take AU akane as the fiancee.
Anywho, I'm having trouble thinking of a direct time frame for the switch, but AU Ranma suddenly dies, and somehow, canon Ranma gets in his place, only, as a female.
For some reason (unknown to her at the time, anyways), she's locked, and is quite pissed, yet really weirded out by the casual displays of cruelty she sees in this AU Nerima.
After several misunderstandings and much more violent confrontations, she gets malleted....hard by Akane to Juuban, where she sees the Sailor.....(Insert new, dastardly title here) kicking butt, but not caring in any way, shape, or form, about the civilians as anything more than people who should get out of the way.
They're not the bad guys, Beryl, Metallia, and Pharaoh 90 were worse, but they're totally devoid of compassion, so they're a bit more competent.
This is during Galaxia for sailor Moon, and Ranma, seeing Pluto, gets a bit of a shock of recognition, as well as a sudden spike of irritation at seeing Setsuna-chan (derogatory here) doing something she hadn't ordered.
Turns out, through some celestial accident or another, lo and behold, AU Ranma was Sailor Sun.
Fortunately for the world at large, the Sun recognized the unworthiness of AU Ranma, and denied him the powers.
Unfortunately for canon Ranma, she's been chosen instead.
This is where the Midnight City elements come into play, as well as a bit of DeathG's attempt at Dark Moon.
Using the backdrop of the ancient AU Silver Millenium, Sailor Sun and Sailor Pluto were rather....involved, in an interesting and somewhat common (back then) way.....Dom and Sub, in case you haven't gotten it yet.
Now, at seeing Setsuna, certain memories start to come back for poor canon Ranma, and start attaching themselves to canon Ranma's psyche, and appear much more prevalently after Sailor Starstrike(new name, as to avoid direct remembrance) makes her appearance. Has this particular name been used before? I seem to remember it on the board, but can't actually find it)
Now begins an interesting battle, between The Sailor (formerly known as Senshi), Ranma and Pluto's "relationship", which this Pluto, not being the old one that survived to teh NQS time, does not directly remember, but the motions themselves are quite.....forceful, and Ranma attempting to reconcile herself with her new world, and figure out a way to get home, as well as dispose of Galaxia, without setting off Chaos like a million nukes, which AU Moon would have no problem doing.
Obviously, this would be quite a large project, and I know I've almost certainly left some rather large potential holes, so any input on this humongous plot would be quite appreciated.

[Dumbledork]

I'd say to go for it. I love the ideas.

[claymade]

A humongous plot indeed... definitely has potential, although it feels almost as though there are two fics in there--a Dark Nerima one and a Dark Juban one, with much matterial independent between them. While both sound very interesting, to avoid spreading the narrative too thin you might want to pick one (the Sailor Moon one, it sounds like) to focus primarily on, and mostly deal with the other one early on and close a lot of it off.
Maybe spend a few chapters seeing the nasty place that AU Nerima is, but--aside from any Nerima characters that have direct relevance to the thrust of the main Juban plot, of course--disconnect those subplots from the main one in fairly short order. The longer you leave the Nerima subplots running without tying them into the main plot, the more chance that it'll lead to a "going in two directions" feeling.

[Metroidvania]

Hmmm....
Claymade, I was thinking of something along those lines, but Nerima is what Ranma knows, and a sudden change of that magnitude, but I don't know if Ranma would flat out leave....
I could always use the training trip , but that would be rather boring of me.....
What I had thought of was that AU Akane suddenly realizes for a second that Ranma's not paying attention to her, and although she's been beaten before, or perhaps, because of it, she whacks the female canon Ranma extra hard to Juuban, where Ranma wakes up to see a battle raging.

--disconnect those subplots from the main one in fairly short order. The longer you leave the Nerima subplots running without tying them into the main plot, the more chance that it'll lead to a "going in two directions" feeling.

My reasoning also lies above, but although this nerima is obviously not a good place, what _real_ reasoning does Ranma, whose threat detection, beyond that of sleeping and a few instances, move completely.
I do see your point about two directions, but AU Nerima in itself is neccessary for canon Ranma's development and distance.....
I need to keep the AU NWC around for a fair while in order for Ranma to realize that escape/closure is neccessary......
Hmm....

[claymade]

My reasoning also lies above, but although this nerima is obviously not a good place, what _real_ reasoning does Ranma, whose threat detection, beyond that of sleeping and a few instances, move completely.
I do see your point about two directions, but AU Nerima in itself is neccessary for canon Ranma's development and distance.....
I need to keep the AU NWC around for a fair while in order for Ranma to realize that escape/closure is neccessary......

Indeed. Allow me to ammend what I said earlier a bit. The issue isn't, strictly speaking, based on whether he hangs his hat in Nerima or Juban per se. It's more about the timing, the degree, and the depth to which he's involved in plotlines that don't interact with Senshi/Chaos/Galaxia plotline (e.g. his relationships with the Kuno siblings).
Put another way: if the Senshi/Chaos/Galaxia entanglement is the main conflict of the story, then I'd suggest A) connecting Ranma--at least at a level visible to the audience, if not to him--to that plot thread, both as soon as possible, and before getting too deep into any subplots, B) Give any subplots not related to the main plot noticeably disproportionate screen time to keep the audience clear on where the main action is going, and C) whenever possible, have the consequences of subplots support and blend into the main plot.
Also, what mechanism are you using for locking Ranma's curse? Is it strictly necessary? It would seem to limit some of the range of potential interactions with people in the AU-verse, particularly the Kunos.
And more to the point, it's a "familiar tragedy" that he's already suffered quite a few times before, both in fanfiction and in canon, but one which is going to be sharing his "emotional capacity" with the more core, and more original problem of the evil-ization of everyone he knows. Having half his emotions used up by the problem of the curse lock is going to leave less there for the other things--in effect, diluting their impact. I'd suggest only locking him if it's really, really necessary.

[Metroidvania]

Indeed. Allow me to ammend what I said earlier a bit. The issue isn't, strictly speaking, based on whether he hangs his hat in Nerima or Juban per se. It's more about the timing, the degree, and the depth to which he's involved in plotlines that don't interact with Senshi/Chaos/Galaxia plotline (e.g. his relationships with the Kuno siblings).
Put another way: if the Senshi/Chaos/Galaxia entanglement is the main conflict of the story, then I'd suggest A) connecting Ranma--at least at a level visible to the audience, if not to him--to that plot thread, both as soon as possible, and before getting too deep into any subplots, B) Give any subplots not related to the main plot noticeably disproportionate screen time to keep the audience clear on where the main action is going, and C) whenever possible, have the consequences of subplots support and blend into the main plot.

I believe I see what you're saying here, and the only potential the NWC has for being further involved is becoming one of the fake sailors by Galaxia.....it'll be worked on.

Also, what mechanism are you using for locking Ranma's curse? Is it strictly necessary? It would seem to limit some of the range of potential interactions with people in the AU-verse, particularly the Kunos.

Ah, but here's the thing.
I don't really _want_ everyone in the evil NWC to figure out Ranma's not the same Ranma. I'm going to have to dig, but perhaps it's during the fight with Herb, in which case, the trip back will prove most....interesting.
As for the Kunos......they are going to play a larger role in this, especially when Ranma goes off and finds Kuno.....

And, more to the point, it's a "familiar tragedy" that he's already suffered quite a few times before, both in fanfiction and in canon, but one which is going to be sharing his "emotional capacity" with the more core, and more original problem of the evil-ization of everyone he knows. Having half his emotions used up by the problem of the curse lock is going to leave less there for the other things--in effect, diluting their impact. I'd suggest only locking him if it's really, really necessary.

I definitely understand what you're saying here, but in those instances, he's always had the _potential_ to turn back into a guy.
Nothing like that exists in this Nerima, especially after the kettle and ladle get destroyed, not that it would have worked in the first place.
And another reason the Sun refused to lend evil Ranma the powers was due to his maleness, as it cuts down on the potential power available greatly.
The last incarnation of Sailor Sun wants her Senshi to fix things with the other Sailors, and she's not letting Ranma get out of it.
But, whatever the issue, canon Ranma's _new_ problems/questions would quickly overshadow it in their severity.....at least, temporarily.
Your point is valid, though....let's see.....a mental "acceptance" trigger would be to Deus Ex.....at least, before the last incarnation of Sun makes starts injecting thoughts into canon Ranma's head about what to do with Setsuna-chan.....
Oh, and locking Ranma also lets me explore more of Evil Happi, which is something I want to get across.
In other words, I think that canon male Ranma, without being locked, wouldn't have the concern already neccessary to make the distinction fast enough, as he's not overly concerned...take the dojo destroyer, for instance.
He thought he didn't have anything to worry about besides getting a cure from Shampoo, and Akane nearly got beaten because of it.....

[Musouka]

your Sailors sound like the new heroes in DC's Kingdom Come.

[Metroidvania]

good book, that one.
As for the similarities.....you're correct, in a sense.
But obviously, even darker magical girls still have obligations to save the world, in their own way, and they're not going to run around killing every civilian just because they can.
Reading Kingdom Come, I found the "new" heroes to be a bit darker than I would have expected.
The Senshi are not _quite_ at that level yet....but their personalities, while still the same in the sense that Mercury's still smart, the reasons have changed....like Mercury's smart, takes a fair amount of pride in it, and uses her genius for some less than scrupulous methods......
Oh, and they can't attempt to take over the world to "help" it or such.....they're a bit lacking in how much control and influence they have.....

[claymade]

Ah, but here's the thing.
I don't really _want_ everyone in the evil NWC to figure out Ranma's not the same Ranma. I'm going to have to dig, but perhaps it's during the fight with Herb, in which case, the trip back will prove most....interesting.

Hmmm... Okay, that changes the dynamic a bit--I'd actually agree that you don't want the AU NWC finding out about him, at least not immediately. That was actually another one of the reasons I'd disliked locking the curse, as it seemed (to me) as though a sudden, unexplained curse lock would make them more suspicious. But if you're going to be placing it during the Herb arc, that deals with that problem.

Your point is valid, though....let's see.....a mental "acceptance" trigger would be to Deus Ex.....at least, before the last incarnation of Sun makes starts injecting thoughts into canon Ranma's head about what to do with Setsuna-chan.....

Well, one possibility is, if you're placing it in the Herb arc, that Ranma jumps in right at the beginning, exactly as he's locked. (Maybe the Sun saw its chance then and took it immediately, or something.) And, if the newer, nastier AU Cologne has told Herb to "get lost" instead of telling him where the Kettle is (which is, after all, the reason he went to the Nekohanten) then Ranma could be justified in thinking that his cure is "in the bag" since he knows perfectly well where it is, and thus can get it at his leisure, whenever he feels like it. (Until you chose to reveal to him that he's been locked beyond the capacity of the kettle to unlock...) And thus, it would make sense that he would be more concerned about the more pressing problems.
Also--just a random thought--what if AU Ranma wasn't dead, but simply somehow imprisoned/incapacitated, and broke free at a later date? Or even replaced Canon Ranma in the canon-verse, a la the Star Trek case? That'd add a whole new level of frantic-ness and suspense to his efforts to get back once he found out, knowing there's a wolf in the fold back home, but being unable to do anything about it, or even know anything about what's going on.
Either way, having Ranma face his own evil side would be one confrontation I'd love to see.

[Metroidvania]

Hmmm... Okay, that changes the dynamic a bit--I'd actually agree that you don't want the AU NWC finding out about him, at least not immediately. That was actually another one of the reasons I'd disliked locking the curse, as it seemed (to me) as though a sudden, unexplained curse lock would make them more suspicious. But if you're going to be placing it during the Herb arc, that deals with that problem.

Ah, I see what you were thinking, and it is a good point. Some of the AU NWC would start catching on, but as you've discussed, they're likely to be not the main focus, but rather, the thrusting point into said main focus.

Well, one possibility is, if you're placing it in the Herb arc, that Ranma jumps in right at the beginning, exactly as he's locked. (Maybe the Sun saw its chance then and took it immediately, or something.) And, if the newer, nastier AU Cologne has told Herb to "get lost" instead of telling him where the Kettle is (which is, after all, the reason he went to the Nekohanten) then Ranma could be justified in thinking that his cure is "in the bag" since he knows perfectly well where it is, and thus can get it at his leisure, whenever he feels like it. (Until you chose to reveal to him that he's been locked beyond the capacity of the kettle to unlock...) And thus, it would make sense that he would be more concerned about the more pressing problems.

Yep, kind of what I was shooting for, though I have to go re-read that volume to refresh my memory...

Also--just a random thought--what if AU Ranma wasn't dead, but simply somehow imprisoned/incapacitated, and broke free at a later date? Or even replaced Canon Ranma in the canon-verse, a la the Star Trek case? That'd add a whole new level of frantic-ness and suspense to his efforts to get back once he found out, knowing there's a wolf in the fold back home, but being unable to do anything about it, or even know anything about what's going on.
Either way, having Ranma face his own evil side would be one confrontation I'd love to see.

Hmmm.....if AU Ranma were to switch with canon Ranma, it'd definitely be interesting, but might that not inspire a little too much wrongly higher designated panic in canon Ranma?
In other words, that might detract too much of canon Ranma's focus on getting back ASAP, which could possibly lead to less caring about what happens in this new world....
As for being imprisoned.....now there's a possibility....
maybe, just maybe.....kidnapped by Galaxia/Chaos......

[claymade]

Hmmm.....if AU Ranma were to switch with canon Ranma, it'd definitely be interesting, but might that not inspire a little too much wrongly higher designated panic in canon Ranma?
In other words, that might detract too much of canon Ranma's focus on getting back ASAP, which could possibly lead to less caring about what happens in this new world....

Good point. If there was a switch it would skew his thoughts and emotions away from meaningful interaction/involvement in the AU world--especially if he found out about it early on. You're right, if you do feel like having AU Ranma make an appearance, some form of imprisonment is probably the best option.
Or heck, why should the Sailors be the only ones who can raise the dead? Maybe Chaos can do that too. (Just random idea flinging...)
Of course, it may just not fit with this particular fic--if there's no place for it, it's usually best not to force things. But I think it would make for a pretty awesome confrontation, if it did happen...

[Innortal]

May want to void the whole locked angle. It is a common plot idea, and is hard to bring off in an original way. Plus, the others will wonder if it is their Ranma, because their Ranma would start killing people to get unlocked, no matter the cost.
You also may want to keep AU Ranma around, just out of action for a bit (knocked out and floating down the canals). Does offer a nice scene where he is trying to help AU Nabiki, when AU Ranma shows up.
Evil Senshi name has a few possibility (Valkyrie Senshi, or perhaps whatever the Japanese translation is for Demon Warriors, Oni-something).
The Galaxia angle will be difficult as well, as Moon AU would sacrifice her other Senshi to assume Godhood.
As for Ranma as Sol, may go with the mental trigger idea, something AU Nabiki can help him figure out, but something AU Ranma could never accept (nothing wrong with him being both), mainly because if Happosai is a psycho pervert, the 'women are weak' ideals AU Genma would have placed in this AU Ranma would be too extreme for him to ever be happy with the curse. Accepting that he is no different as a she as he is a he, would allow him to be Sailor Sol. In fact, if you place this during the Galaxia Arc, it would allow Ranma to stop AU Moon from taking control of the cauldron.

[Metroidvania]

May want to void the whole locked angle. It is a common plot idea, and is hard to bring off in an original way. Plus, the others will wonder if it is their Ranma, because their Ranma would start killing people to get unlocked, no matter the cost.

Hmm......I'll have to think on it, depends if I can pull it off......problem is, with Male canon Ranma, the aspect of Past Sol and Pluto comes into even more confusion than I had planned originally...
What I was going to do was provide a backstory/flashbacks involving AU Ranma's previous times being "locked" (phoenix pill, etcetera....)
What I'm trying to go for was that the extreme rage and anger come later, due to the AU Genma's ideals, Ranma gets _extremely_ standoffish and depressed, due to the extreme crap AU Genma's fed him about being girly. (if that makes any sense)
Hmm....I could just have canon Ranma get out of Nerima fast, but that wouldn't scream plot device at all....

You also may want to keep AU Ranma around, just out of action for a bit (knocked out and floating down the canals). Does offer a nice scene where he is trying to help AU Nabiki, when AU Ranma shows up.

Yes, I'll probably keep him around for at least a little bit....

Evil Senshi name has a few possibility (Valkyrie Senshi, or perhaps whatever the Japanese translation is for Demon Warriors, Oni-something).

Thanks, I'll look into that further.

The Galaxia angle will be difficult as well, as Moon AU would sacrifice her other Senshi to assume Godhood.

Well, the Senshi still have their comraderie of sorts....it's not that Moon is _absolutely_ ruthless.....just like the Star Trek AU isn't _completely_ ruthless.....

As for Ranma as Sol, may go with the mental trigger idea, something AU Nabiki can help him figure out, but something AU Ranma could never accept (nothing wrong with him being both), mainly because if Happosai is a psycho pervert, the 'women are weak' ideals AU Genma would have placed in this AU Ranma would be too extreme for him to ever be happy with the curse. Accepting that he is no different as a she as he is a he, would allow him to be Sailor Sol.

Yes, that was my intention with the focus on new Happi.....I'm still toying with AU Ranma recieving something along the lines of fake Galaxia bracelets......but I'm not sure.

In fact, if you place this during the Galaxia Arc, it would allow Ranma to stop AU Moon from taking control of the cauldron.

That's been one of the major plot points since the idea culminated....
Thanks for the help, Innortal. You've given me a few more things to work on.