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Postby Lord Aries Greymon » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:43 pm

"Well that's good, I remember the fun my husband had on his training trips. It's good that he's taking our son on so many." Nodoka smiled in fond memories at what she thought, her future daughter in law.

Spokavriel wrote: Just tossing this in to draw attention to it. I don't know why I can't quite find anything truly wrong but it still feels wrong. Almost like the added emphasis on Akane's status isn't worked in right but I can't think of how to describe it.



"Well, at the very least, the last sentence is a major error. I'm allso uncertain how to correct it, but I can say that it's basically missing half a sentence."

"Nodoka smiled in fond memories at what she thought, "

"Should probably become it's own sentence, and the words following it expanded into at least another sentence. Just not sure what to add in."

EDIT: never mind, just saw Spokavriel's second post. I really need to quit commenting when I'm sleepy.

Second EDIT: Just re-read part two, no glaring errors I could see, but that's probably because they're all gone by now. I'm not up to a detailed check for lesser ones, but I think you're in the clear.
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:52 pm

Lord Aries Greymon wrote:
EDIT: never mind, just saw Spokavriel's second post. I really need to quit commenting when I'm sleepy.

Second EDIT: Just re-read part two, no glaring errors I could see, but that's probably because they're all gone by now. I'm not up to a detailed check for lesser ones, but I think you're in the clear.


Ah, very good.

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Postby Cheb » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:22 am

Akane knew what type of guy the two - girls were

Miss Ranma-chan

These don't mix. When you say "miss" you assume it's in reality some close equivalent in Japanese, most probably -san. Now if you try to add -chan to the mix... Oops.

Ranma's words came as and expected relief. than Akane knew things were never going to be the same again.
??? :shock: :?:

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Just when one begins to think that there could not be anything new in R/SM... You suddenly prove otherwise! :D

It's one of the best, since it focuses on the characters themselves and not on their magical mumbo-jumbo... And this feature stands out it more than in any other fics. I mean, a whole huge chapter... and then a half more, without even mentioning any Senshi stuff? I dare to say, I never saw that before in any R/SM cross.
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:35 am

Akane knew what type of guy the two - girls were

[yah I'll remove the -

Miss Ranma-chan

These don't mix. When you say "miss" you assume it's in reality some close equivalent in Japanese, most probably -san. Now if you try to add -chan to the mix... Oops.

[Awww.... curse your facts

Ranma's words came as and expected relief. than Akane knew things were never going to be the same again.
??? :shock: :?:

[Ranma's words came as [b]an[b] expected relief.

Synopsis:
Just when one begins to think that there could not be anything new in R/SM... You suddenly prove otherwise! :D

[Heh Thanks


It's one of the best, since it focuses on the characters themselves and not on their magical mumbo-jumbo... And this feature stands out it more than in any other fics. I mean, a whole huge chapter... and then a half more, without even mentioning any Senshi stuff? I dare to say, I never saw that before in any R/SM cross.

[This was our aim in this fic.

[You can have stories with action, powers, and plot driven from that. In Ranma and SM, it's natural to do that.

[But our thinking was... what if you didn't have that stuff? What would be left?

[Characters.

[So often with these stories the powers overshadow who they are. This is especially true with the Outers.

[Now since this is an SM fic. The Senshi had to come up. It's part of who they are, but the difference now is that we don't have Sailor Pluto that sometimes pretends to be Setsuna.

[The readers knows them on a human scale now.

[Sorry for being long winded, but I am happy that this approach is being enjoyed.
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Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:05 am

Finished reading the second chapter last night. I'm enjoying this story very much. One thing troubled me: the "Welcome to the Family" dinner.

I was a famous eater in my youth. At times, I could give Usagi or Ranma serious competition. (I suppose that's why I'm overweight, hmm? Bad Ellen, I should spend eight hours a day doing katas and throwing ki-blasts!) And even for me, that dinner was overdone. Too much food, the plates were too full. On a dodgy stomach, one in full revolt just a few hours earlier, this could have been a catastrophe. I'm surprised it wasn't.

Are you, perhaps, flushing the remnants of Old Ranma's substance away, and replacing it with a whole new Magic Girl body? Then ravenous eating would make sense. As I said in Different Colors -- "Bring out the hamburger. This much healing is going to be hungry work."

You're writing far too realistically (if such a word can be used for Ranma and Sailor Moon crossovers). That kind of eating pushes the envelope without more of a reason.
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Postby lwf58 » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:02 am

One thing about the story caught my eye. You have them talking about buying and wearing geta, and Japanese women don't use geta with yukata or kimono anymore. They wear zori, or other kinds of formal sandals.
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Postby Spokavriel » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:14 am

It was a traditional shop it was probably even the classic 2 tooth geta instead of being the newer more clog like variety. I thought it was a quirk of the shop owner to try to keep them arround.
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Postby Kimina » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:38 am

lwf58 wrote:One thing about the story caught my eye. You have them talking about buying and wearing geta, and Japanese women don't use geta with yukata or kimono anymore. They wear zori, or other kinds of formal sandals.

Hehe, you can't be perfect in everything. Either way it still makes a grand story and I don't think anyone will care about those minor details.
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:02 pm

Ellen Kuhfeld

Finished reading the second chapter last night. I'm enjoying this story very much. One thing troubled me: the "Welcome to the Family" dinner.

[Oh?

I was a famous eater in my youth. At times, I could give Usagi or Ranma serious competition. (I suppose that's why I'm overweight, hmm? Bad Ellen, I should spend eight hours a day doing katas and throwing ki-blasts!) And even for me, that dinner was overdone. Too much food, the plates were too full. On a dodgy stomach, one in full revolt just a few hours earlier, this could have been a catastrophe. I'm surprised it wasn't.

Are you, perhaps, flushing the remnants of Old Ranma's substance away, and replacing it with a whole new Magic Girl body? Then ravenous eating would make sense. As I said in Different Colors -- "Bring out the hamburger. This much healing is going to be hungry work."

[Oh? You act as if Setsuna specifically suggested this meal, and immediately after finding this out about Ranma.
[And that instead of getting sick Ranma felt better.

You're writing far too realistically (if such a word can be used for Ranma and Sailor Moon crossovers). That kind of eating pushes the envelope without more of a reason.

[Hmm, I think I understand. While eating on that level does happen in R1/2 and SM it is in a cartoonish way. So in a more realistically toned chapter, it seems weird.
[Kinda like if someone used a mallet in a non-slapstick way.

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One thing about the story caught my eye. You have them talking about buying and wearing geta, and Japanese women don't use geta with yukata or kimono anymore. They
wear zori, or other kinds of formal sandals.

[Dang. I can fix that.

Spokavriel
It was a traditional shop it was probably even the classic 2 tooth geta instead of being the newer more clog like variety. I thought it was a quirk of the shop owner to try to keep them arround.

[Hmm... I can work with that. Setsuna could do an anachronism.

Kimina

Hehe, you can't be perfect in everything. Either way it still makes a grand story and I don't think anyone will care about those minor details.

[Yes, it's, apparently, well-received. But the details do are important. I appreciate it when people go to this effort to point out things.
[Taking care of the minor details (in addition to the major ones) presents a more complete narrative.

[Changes sections. In situ in the next update V5d

[[
It was inevitable. Soon enough a kimono attired woman was followed out the door by three yukata clad teenage girls. Each girl was carrying bags that held the clothes that they were wearing when they entered the shop. On their feet were the shoes they had worn in, since they politely declined to wear the offered sandals. Akane was a bit surprised at the old woman's selection. Women didn't wear geta with kimonos anymore. She shrugged, this woman was friends with Nodoka, traditional too.
]]

[[
"And some nice geta?" Hotaru added, jokingly.
"She does have some," Ranma said, recalling her previous visit.
]]

[[
Etsuko smiled. Repeat business was always handy, and she learned more about No-chan's niece. "So, can I interest you three in some proper sandals? I have some nice geta." ]]

[[
"Did you have to make us get geta? You're very modern, not one for-" Ranma paused. "What's the word? Stuff not in it's right time?"
"Anachronisms," Setsuna supplied "And oh I don't know, did you have to make me buy a kimono?" she warmly countered. "Besides I've seen you wear heels fine."
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[The other two instances of geta being uses work as is.
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Postby lwf58 » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:14 pm

Hmm. Looks like I have to correct myself. The word "geta" can also be applied to the modern sandals worn with kimono and yukata, not just the older stilt-type footwear. It seems that it's also used for any clog with a separated heel. Okay, objection retracted. I was just thinking of the old style.

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Postby Spokavriel » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:21 pm

I really like those changes for the Geta. It gives more to Aunty's persona.
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:50 pm

lwf58 wrote:Hmm. Looks like I have to correct myself. The word "geta" can also be applied to the modern sandals worn with kimono and yukata, not just the older stilt-type footwear. It seems that it's also used for any clog with a separated heel. Okay, objection retracted. I was just thinking of the old style.

http://www.japanesekimono.com/geta.htm


Hmm... Well I can fiddle with that again. There we go. up for v5e.
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Postby PCHeintz72 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:38 pm

I was regrettibly rushed reading this, my time has been very imited the last few weeks.

While too late to matter, some thoughts, take them for what you will. They are same as the last time I reviewed your story, stream of thought as I read, not a after read review (some seem to like it better, others don't, but I remember you stating you did):

Still, very nicely done. I would have liked a little more of Nami's thoughts during the Nodoka situation, or at least the conversation after. But it ended ok.

I do think Ranma might well reget letting out as much as was said about both the names of her employer/charge, and locations she can be found at. The mall is a fairly generic place, and was unavoidable and not likely to cause harm, but now Nodoka knows mall, park, charge name, employer name, general area she goes to, a high end resturante, and one or two school names that is in her very class.

I liked the apparent shifting of thoughts as the conversation between Ranma/Nodoka occured.

When the store was mentioned, I was half expecting a cameo of Ai Yori Aoshi.

The Etsuko character is a bit suspicious though, and cannot help but think I heard the name somewhere before.

I like the apparent hints given in Setsuna's speech patterns to indicate continuing growing affection from the end of the last chapter. This is evident in multiple points in the story line. Particularly on the vague multiple interpretation statement:

"Yes," Setsuna said, feeling ashamed that she could not tell Ranma the truth. Ranma's work with Hotaru had been amazing and she deserved to know... to not be some... servant. Sighing she put in a bookmark and closed her book. Right now there was time for Ranma to keep making a difference in her ward's life. The more impact she had now... the better things were going to be in the future, for all of them.


It is interesting to see the leaps and bounds Hotaru is improving by, but a bit odd, since except vague references, we know little of just how much time has passed.

I noticed it before, but it just reads off to me as Hotaru going by the Meiou name, and not Tomoe.

Nodoka 'being in the area' strikes as wrong, considering.

Hmmm... I'm rethinking this Nodoka's personality upon her discussing Ukyo. I'm convinced she is not only faking her obtuseness, but it acting the way she is not not only subtly manipulate others, but to have plausibly denigability.

That last statement from her almost makes me wonder what she would do when confronted with such a truth.

A odd note of a thought occured to me with Akane and Ranma in the mall. Not once yet has Ranma bothered to become a man, in fact, I cannot recall it at all so far. It is a bit disconcerting. Although not unexpected form a story by either of you.

Despite the setup, I still thought Ranma breaking off with Akane was a bit too smooth. Oh well.

On second thought, after reading the whole scene, I take that back.

Ranma is wrong on one point though. The Anazons would know more than a phone number depending when/if questioned. Ranma was careful with the first meeting, but the rest were in Juuban area, and if after the meeting with Nodoka. Well...

It seems odd to me that it would be so painful on first transformation. I put it either due to fighting through Ranma's natural form, or due to no henshin stick.

The Super Nanny form needs a drawing.

Ahhh... and there is the stick.

The thing is, IMO canon Usagi got less mature as the series went on. She is the reason I put down the sailor moon anime while watching the latter half of the 5th season. It grates so bad on my nerves listening to her.

An odd thought occured to me on reading the following:
"It was a good idea," Setsuna said patting Ranma on the stomach. "You two have been wonderful for me."

Did Setsuna mean Ranma and Hotaru, or Ranma and his/her stomache?

An inconsistency has been bugging me. At multiple points it was brought out Setsuna here is a fashion designer. I've no issue with that, though maybe Etsuko might have recognized the name. But if that is true, why was she at the observatory with scientists? I can understand her wanting to see the eclipse, but that would not really give her access to the scientists mentioned.

The following bugged me:
"but if you want to yes, join us." Setsuna offered.
Should probably be something more along the lines of: "but if you want to, then yes, join us."

Heh, at the presentation of the duck, I thought of Akane's comments on not seeing Mouse, and thought that it might have been him on the platter. After all, served on a silver platter.

While Setsuna could arrange a lot given a 'one hour window', I have to question getting all that food out of a resturante like that on that short notice. An inconsistency, she says 'few hours' at the end of the meal.

One final comment, when entering the resturante, I was a bit curious you went out of your way to have the waitress make that comment (whether she was actually correct or not matters not), but did not seem to follow up on it. I found it odd.

Final Final comment, drat, I last DL'ed this on the 27th, figuring all the changes would have been in by that point. Now I see your last comment from the 28th.

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Postby Sunshine Temple » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:24 am

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I was regrettibly rushed reading this, my time has been very imited the last few weeks.

[It's okay. This is still a very long and wonderfully detailed commentary.

While too late to matter, some thoughts, take them for what you will. They are same as the last time I reviewed your story, stream of thought as I read, not a after read review (some seem to like it better, others don't, but I remember you stating you did):

[I can always revise things.

Still, very nicely done. I would have liked a little more of Nami's thoughts during the Nodoka situation, or at least the conversation after. But it ended ok.

[Hmm... yes more of Nami is needed. Well, at the very least, we can work on that in ch3.
[Obviously, that is an issue that will have to be addressed.

I do think Ranma might well reget letting out as much as was said about both the names of her employer/charge, and locations she can be found at. The mall is a fairly generic place, and was unavoidable and not likely to cause harm, but now Nodoka knows mall, park, charge name, employer name, general area she goes to, a high end resturante, and one or two school names that is in her very class.

[Yes, that is a lot of information.

I liked the apparent shifting of thoughts as the conversation between Ranma/Nodoka occured.

[Good.

When the store was mentioned, I was half expecting a cameo of Ai Yori Aoshi.

[Oh?

The Etsuko character is a bit suspicious though, and cannot help but think I heard the name somewhere before.

[Heh

I like the apparent hints given in Setsuna's speech patterns to indicate continuing growing affection from the end of the last chapter. This is evident in multiple points in the story line. Particularly on the vague multiple interpretation statement:

[Excellent. Given this fic's lack of action, it is all char dev. Which results in the dialog being quite important.

"Yes," Setsuna said, feeling ashamed that she could not tell Ranma the truth. Ranma's work with Hotaru had been amazing and she deserved to know... to not be some... servant. Sighing she put in a bookmark and closed her book. Right now there was time for Ranma to keep making a difference in her ward's life. The more impact she had now... the better things were going to be in the future, for all of them.


It is interesting to see the leaps and bounds Hotaru is improving by, but a bit odd, since except vague references, we know little of just how much time has passed.

[This was done deliberately.
[The course of time is vague to Ranma. She is living this life and has gotten used to it and grown into it. In a way she's become unstuck from the flow of time that she was used to.


I noticed it before, but it just reads off to me as Hotaru going by the Meiou name, and not Tomoe.

[Setsuna adopted Hotaru. *shrugs*

Nodoka 'being in the area' strikes as wrong, considering.

[Yes, it is. Quite deliberate on Nodoka's part.

Hmmm... I'm rethinking this Nodoka's personality upon her discussing Ukyo. I'm convinced she is not only faking her obtuseness, but it acting the way she is not not only subtly manipulate others, but to have plausibly denigability.

[Heh. This has been a very fun Nodoka to work on.
[She has the same stated goals and views as the cannon (and fanon) but... the workings in her mind are... well you've read ch2.

That last statement from her almost makes me wonder what she would do when confronted with such a truth.

[Indeed.

A odd note of a thought occured to me with Akane and Ranma in the mall. Not once yet has Ranma bothered to become a man, in fact, I cannot recall it at all so far. It is a bit disconcerting. Although not unexpected form a story by either of you.

[Ranma did it in ch1, but has lost interest.

Despite the setup, I still thought Ranma breaking off with Akane was a bit too smooth. Oh well.

[Well, we felt that the breakup was already done. The two just had to admit it.

On second thought, after reading the whole scene, I take that back.

[Ah, excellent then.

Ranma is wrong on one point though. The Anazons would know more than a phone number depending when/if questioned. Ranma was careful with the first meeting, but the rest were in Juuban area, and if after the meeting with Nodoka. Well...

[Indeed, it's getting to be less and less of a secret.

It seems odd to me that it would be so painful on first transformation. I put it either due to fighting through Ranma's natural form, or due to no henshin stick.

[This will be explained in ch3

The Super Nanny form needs a drawing.

[Here you go
http://www.fukufics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1913

Ahhh... and there is the stick.

[Yup

The thing is, IMO canon Usagi got less mature as the series went on. She is the reason I put down the sailor moon anime while watching the latter half of the 5th season. It grates so bad on my nerves listening to her.

[That is the anime. In the manga she gets more Mature.

An odd thought occured to me on reading the following:
"It was a good idea," Setsuna said patting Ranma on the stomach. "You two have been wonderful for me."

Did Setsuna mean Ranma and Hotaru, or Ranma and his/her stomache?

[heh.

An inconsistency has been bugging me. At multiple points it was brought out Setsuna here is a fashion designer. I've no issue with that, though maybe Etsuko might have recognized the name. But if that is true, why was she at the observatory with scientists? I can understand her wanting to see the eclipse, but that would not really give her access to the scientists mentioned.

[Setsuna is a consultant to modern firms. Etsuko is quite traditional. Different circles.

[As for the observatory that's a cannon event (as is the eclipse)

[Her being a fashion designer is her cannon occupation too.

The following bugged me:
"but if you want to yes, join us." Setsuna offered.
Should probably be something more along the lines of: "but if you want to, then yes, join us."

[quite correct. I'll make the correction.

Heh, at the presentation of the duck, I thought of Akane's comments on not seeing Mouse, and thought that it might have been him on the platter. After all, served on a silver platter.

[Heh, no that's not the myopic one.

While Setsuna could arrange a lot given a 'one hour window', I have to question getting all that food out of a resturante like that on that short notice. An inconsistency, she says 'few hours' at the end of the meal.

[Hmm... I thought it was all a few hour window...
[well if you find the line where they say one hour, I'll change it.

One final comment, when entering the resturante, I was a bit curious you went out of your way to have the waitress make that comment (whether she was actually correct or not matters not), but did not seem to follow up on it. I found it odd.

[Heh.

Final Final comment, drat, I last DL'ed this on the 27th, figuring all the changes would have been in by that point. Now I see your last comment from the 28th.

[Yes, it is still a live document.

Look forward to more.

[Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

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Postby PCHeintz72 » Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:09 am

These are the lines I was getting one hour from until reading the later entry.

"I'm sure they can free one up for you in an hour or so," Ranma dryly remarked.

"Excellent, plenty of time," Setsuna said pulling out her phone.
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