Questioning Ranma's Honor

[lwf58]

A kaishaku's job isn't to just cut off the person's head if they are about to embarrass themselves by crying out in pain. They were usually the person's best friend, and their job was to end the agony when they judged that the person had suffered enough to expiate whatever sin they had committed.

In the case of the nobility, the kaishaku ended it as soon as the person had completed the ritual cut prescribed by custom.

The instances where a person lived for days after an attempt at harakiri was when the person had no kaishaku - which was a punishment for someone who had completely disgraced himself and his clan.

Second, a kaishaku was not supposed to actually cut off the person's head. That was deemed a grave dishonor to the person. The cut was about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through the neck, doing the job and severing the spine, but leaving the head attached to the body for the funeral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaishaku

Note: Women are forbidden to commit seppuku by harakiri. They were only allowed to use a tanto or kaiken to cut their throats in a ceremony called jigai. Note that part of the ritual was to tie the legs together in such a way that death throes would not leave the body in an unsightly position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigai

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku

[Zwzn]

A kaishaku's job isn't to just cut off the person's head if they are about to embarrass themselves by crying out in pain. They were usually the person's best friend, and their job was to end the agony when they judged that the person had suffered enough to expiate whatever sin they had committed.

In the case of the nobility, the kaishaku ended it as soon as the person had completed the ritual cut prescribed by custom.

The instances where a person lived for days after an attempt at harakiri was when the person had no kaishaku - which was a punishment for someone who had completely disgraced himself and his clan.

Second, a kaishaku was not supposed to actually cut off the person's head. That was deemed a grave dishonor to the person. The cut was about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through the neck, doing the job and severing the spine, but leaving the head attached to the body for the funeral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaishaku

Note: Women are forbidden to commit seppuku by harakiri. They were only allowed to use a tanto or kaiken to cut their throats in a ceremony called jigai. Note that part of the ritual was to tie the legs together in such a way that death throes would not leave the body in an unsightly position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigai

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku

Like I said I don't think Nodoka can do what she would need to do as the kaishakunin because of her lack of skill with a sword.

My source was not http://en.wikipedia.org.As I recall it was History's Mysteries "Samurai Warrior".

[toushin]

the way i see it ranma's only example of what is honorable is genma and considering that you can probably consider ranma a saint. i mean genma has attacked his wife for twenty yen which is just idiotic on an unbelievable level. ryoga is an asshole plan and simple and a stupid one at that. ryoga has done some of the most disgusting things from using ranma to find his way home, to trying to leave him for dead while he went off to get a cure. ranma posing as ryogas sister was just to get back at him. heck ranma didn't even bat an eye when ryoga and mouse tried to kill him during the herb insident. steeling food i say goes back to genma just look at the way those two eat and you can pretty much guess that growing up ranma didn't get alot to eat and that is just the by product of it. ranma is far from perfect but he is also far from being dishonorable.

the engagements you have to realize that genma has put him in a horrible situation each fiance has a valied clam to ranma and simply disreguarding any of them would be a huge srtian on his honor. you can disregaurd the martial arts takeout girl that was just bull and they should be ashamed of themselves. in fact ukyos claim has the greater value becuase genma took her dowery left her on the side of the road, while akane has yet to give up hers. ranma doesn't have the know how to get out of this situation the only thing he can do is stall.

ps i think he sees ryogas pledge to kill him as a joke i mean who kills someone over bread.

[Necavit]

You know the problem with justifying one act with another?

Ranma being Ryoga's sister was revenge for Ryoga tricking him.
Ryoga tricking him was revenge for the curse. When you begin to justify one act with another, all it does it lead to a back and forth.

Two wrongs dont make a right, right?

The simple truth is that neither Ranma nor Ryoga are guiltless in their rivalry. Both have done some underhanded and low things.

How do you figure that Ryoga and Mousse wanted to kill Ranma in the Herb arc. They hit him on the head, thats their attempt at murder? It was low, no doubt, but no murder. And Id say saving Ranma's life from Herb (an actual attempt at muder) was Rumiko's way of providing redmeption.

As to your ps, you really think Ryoga's threat to kill Ranma is over bread? You dont think that its boiled up rage over the curse that is than spilled over onto the easy target of Ranma?

Or do you mean chasing Ranma down? Well when your only friend leaves, and you spend your life wandering and have nothing better to do, why not follow him? The whole Im going to kill Ranma only comes after hes cursed.

[Zwzn]

You know the problem with justifying one act with another?

Ranma being Ryoga's sister was revenge for Ryoga tricking him.
Ryoga tricking him was revenge for the curse. When you begin to justify one act with another, all it does it lead to a back and forth.

Two wrongs dont make a right, right?

Ryuga tricked Ranma in order to try to get into Akane's panties. ranma messed up Ryoga's plan by pretending to be Ryoga's sister to protect Akane's honor, his own, their families, and for spite. Ranma was in the right even if his motives where not 100% pure.

simple truth is that neither Ranma nor Ryoga are guiltless in their rivalry. Both have done some underhanded and low things.

This is more or less only half true. Ranma has done very little to Ryoga on purpose.

do you figure that Ryoga and Mousse wanted to kill Ranma in the Herb arc. They hit him on the head, thats their attempt at murder? It was low, no doubt, but no murder. And Id say saving Ranma's life from Herb (an actual attempt at muder) was Rumiko's way of providing redmeption.

They where planing on locking Ranma as a girl as I recall.

Both Ryoga and Mousse many times attempted to murder Ranma.

to your ps, you really think Ryoga's threat to kill Ranma is over bread? You dont think that its boiled up rage over the curse that is than spilled over onto the easy target of Ranma?

Or do you mean chasing Ranma down? Well when your only friend leaves, and you spend your life wandering and have nothing better to do, why not follow him? The whole Im going to kill Ranma only comes after hes cursed.

Ryoga didn't know Ranma was the girl who knocked him into the spring, but still wanted to kill Ranma at the begining of the series.

[Crescent Pulsar]

Well, since it's revived, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to toss in my two cents. As far as the latest post, anyway: I'm too lazy to go back and read everything. ;/

As far as Ryoga's and Ranma's rivalry is concerned, Ranma's a lot more fair and easy-going about it. He's usually the one that's fooled or double-crossed, whether he was uninvited to begin with or not. (Seeing as he usually doesn't join in so he can have something for himself. A good example is when Ryoga had a map to Japan's old nannichuan. Ranma was willing to help, rather than take the map and ditch him, since, surely, a spring would be more than enough for both of them. But Ryoga tried to lose him once they were close. Even after that Ranma was still willing to work with him to get to the spring.)

As for the Herb arc, Ryoga and Mousse were under the impression that the ladle would lock whatever form they happened to be in, rather than preserve a cursed form. Ranma already had his curse locked by it. They only tagged along because they were thinking of themselves, not because they had any plot against Ranma. Once they reaped what they sowed, though... Ranma makes a real show of character.

The blame game can be summed up easily enough. One, Ryoga assumes that Ranma ran out on their fight. (But he gets over it.) Two, after Ryoga gets cursed, he blames Ranma because of the very same assumption, and his own decision, to follow him to China. Three, once he finds out that Ranma had been the girl that had knocked him into the cursed spring, he feels that the accident justifies everything that led up to him being in the wrong place at the wrong time as being Ranma's fault. Even though Ranma: one, did wait; two, didn't make Ryoga take so long to find the empty lot; three, didn't make Ryoga come to the assumption that he did; four, didn't make Ryoga decide to follow him; and five, didn't make Ryoga be where he was just prior to him being cursed.

Ryoga only wants to kill Ranma when he's in the right mood. That's the kind of selfish, self-centered idiot that he is. Any other time he simply wants to defeat Ranma in combat. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, though, Ryoga's problems are his own, and have no origin with Ranma. No matter how much he'd like them to be.

[Necavit]

Firstly, no offence Zwzn but Im not going to argue with you.

Your love for Ranma is to the point that I could have him self confessing over the body and you still wouldnt be convinced.

So lets have a chat with Pulsar.

Ive learned over the years some people dont like Ryoga, fine, I cant change that. We could argue back and forth about Ranma did this and Ryoga did that, but I stick to my statement that they have both been jerks.

Heres my one prob with your post.

Do you admit that Ranma is the cause of Ryoga's curse? Plain and simple, if you agree to that I dont see the need to argue.

And if you agree to that. While it may be an accident. Ranma shows no remorse. If someone cursed me to turn into a pig, I think I might hold a grudge.

As for selfish and self centered, "Shrugs" I can call Ranma selfish and self centered. We can both show evidence that Ranma and Ryoga are and are not, or we could just say that all the characters have good and bad moments.

And both Ranma and Ryoga are basically good guys at heart.

[Nekomata-sensei]

I'd say Ranma is moderately honorable, he has his faults and failures in this area, but they can mostly be accounted to lacking good role models and still doing a moderately good job despite that, or extenuating circumstances involving Ranma's delicate ego with his martial arts abilities and neko-ken type stuff. But more important than being honorable, for Ranma, in my opinion, that makes him a better person than Ryoga and most of the other people in the series, is that Ranma is one of the most reasonable characters on the cast who can honestly feel empathy for others and put others' needs and feelings before his own.

This is practically a unique trait for Ranma, Kasumi's motivations for doing chores and cooking around the Tendo-ke are somewhat questionable as being related to any sort of kindness due to how much she allows to pass under her nose without complaint, or even being amused when others around her suffer, her motivation seems more duty and talent and fear of what Akane would do if someone else needed to do it than any sort of selfless feelings or desire to aid others, not to mention having a ton of free time without a job or school. Ranma is one of the few characters who goes about selflessly helping others for no reward, and taking on suffering and struggles to help others. Usually when Akane helps Ranma she needs him to be in a somehow vulnerable position and she likes rubbing it in, and it is about stroking her own ego and proving her abilities. One of the biggest ways people manipulate Ranma is pretending to get upset. Yes, this makes him a sucker, but it isn't something they could pull off on very many others in the series, not because they aren't suckers, but because they don't care. Ranma is also reasonable and will listen to people's stories and reasons, even those of the likes of really offensive people like Happosai or Taro.

Even some of the nastier things Ranma has done are for the sake of others, such as pretending to be Ryoga's sister in order to prevent him from taking advantage of Akane and Akari at the same time, or insulting Akane to help her get her memory back. Ranma is the sort who would go on a date with the creepy ghost of an old man to help him pass on rather than hire an exorcist to get rid of the freak. This innate care for others is what makes Ranma distinct from other characters in the series, and makes him a sympathetic character to so many of us as well. Ranma honestly wants to help out, and not just with martial arts and fights. At times he is foolish, dishonorable, an idiot, or a selfish jerk, but he is able to listen, make amends, and help those in need for no real reward than making those others feel better, even if the actions he needs to do disgust or embarrass him, although he might try to get out of it another way, that is only reasonable. If he wanted, Ranma could be like Kuno Tatewaki and pretty much only defend himself from Principal Kuno unless sorely provoked, but Ranma instead protects all the other students from the principal, earning the principals particular ire against himself.

Also Necavit, Ranma does show remorse for his position being involved in causing Ryoga's curse, not huge remorse as Ryoga has been causing trouble for him and almost immediately after Ranma finds out Ryoga attacks him rather than demand some form of amends, and then tries to get in bed with Akane in pig form, but despite Ryoga's horrid behavior he doesn't really reveal Ryoga's curse, although he does drop some heavy hints. When he first found out, or at least guessed Ryoga was cursed he even promised the neighbor's dog not to tell anyone thinking it was Ryoga, even if he hadn't thought he was to blame to the degree he was at that point, plus Ranma still knew it to be an accident by even Ryoga's description, and doesn't remember the events that well, due to her own irrational state over being cursed initially at that time. Ranma might not show much remorse, or at the right times, but he does show some. He/she even has a sort of 'oops guilty, but not wanting to admit it' face on when the accident is revealed as Ranma's fault to a degree.

I also think that the way Ranma chooses to deal with some Ryoga incidents, by disguising herself as Ryoga's fiancee or sister, rather than just outing him or fighting him over it, displays a certain care for Ryoga, if in a warped fashion, Ranma would rather play as someone who cares for Ryoga than fight him over things openly. In fact, if it weren't for incidents causing Ranma to get outed, Ranma may have continued those charades indefinitely to further manipulate Ryoga and experience a better relationship with him in those identities, but excusing it to himself as manipulating Ryoga to keep him from causing trouble. This might not be honorable, and might be horrible from Ryoga's perspective, but the fact that Ranma chooses this over likely easier to work more direct methods, such as outing Ryoga to Akane and Akari, indicates Ranma would rather interact with Ryoga from a position where Ryoga likes him, even if it is a type of like Ranma isn't comfortable with.

More specifically, I'd like to point out that Ranma manipulates people by causing them to pursue happiness, whereas most other characters manipulate people by blackmail or threats or something.

[mondu_the_fat]

Her motivation seems more duty and talent and fear of what Akane would do if someone else needed to do it than any sort of selfless feelings or desire to aid others

AS far as I'm concerned that's pretty much the definition of selfless -- duty+doing something because no one else will do it.

Usually when Akane helps Ranma she needs him to be in a somehow vulnerable position and she likes rubbing it in, and it is about stroking her own ego and proving her abilities.

See moxibustion arc. Nothing about that arc, particularly the end where Akane was just willing to go with Ranma, says she's just stroking her ego. See also the battle with orochi and saffron.

In fact, the only time I see Akane flaunting her superiority over Ranma was the super soba and battle dogi. At the times when Ranma really needed help, Akane gave her help willingly.

Even some of the nastier things Ranma has done are for the sake of others, such as pretending to be Ryoga's sister in order to prevent him from taking advantage of Akane and Akari at the same time,

That was the second time Ranma pretended to be her sister. Everyone in that affair with the exception of akari likely knows Ryoga would be incapable of "taking advantage" of Akane and Akari at the same time. At worst, he'll fumble through the thing and it would still end up the way it did, with or without Ranma.

In real life, if you knew someone (whom you considered to be a friend) who was a complete dolt when it comes to women, flirting with a girl (whom you've never acknowledge that you liked), would you consider it "protecting her honor" to humiliate him even when you knew nothing would ever come out of it other than pie on the guys face?

The first instance of Ranma pretending to be Ryoga's sister was pure assholery in Ranma's part.

Both instances are cock block. See also Ranma pretending to be Ryoga's fiance, especialy during Ryoga's and 1st Akane's date.

I also think that the way Ranma chooses to deal with some Ryoga incidents, by disguising herself as Ryoga's fiancee or sister, rather than just outing him or fighting him over it, displays a certain care for Ryoga, if in a warped fashion, Ranma would rather play as someone who cares for Ryoga than fight him over things openly.

The only way I can see these things making sense in the context of Ranma being fond of Ryoga is if Ranma is gay and can't stand the sight of him with Akane.

[Southern Cross]

Actually,I've been wondering whether Takahashi might be homophobic.
After all,everybody who seemed to be gay in the Ranma manga (Ukyo,Tsubasa & Konatsu) turned out to be cross-dressers instead.
The only gay character I remember Takahashi creating (from InuYasha) was one of the most psychotic members of the Band of Seven.And considering how violent and destructive they were,that's quite a feat.

[Necavit]

Ya know what Ill give ya that one Nekomata. Ranma holding to that oath does show a bit of remorse. I just bring that up cause everyone seems to have forgotten that ranma did cause Ryogas curse, therefore giving him a real reason to be pissed.

"Even some of the nastier things Ranma has done are for the sake of others, such as pretending to be Ryoga's sister in order to prevent him from taking advantage of Akane and Akari at the same time"

When he was the maid right? That wasnt that bad of a Ranma deed all together.

But when he was pretending to be his sister, that was plain old revenge, and it was scummy. And as Mondu pointed out the fiancee one was just pure ol jealousy.

To make it simple, I know Ranma is overall a good guy, he does scummy things, but we all do.

I just get annoyed when people crucify Ryoga for his bad deeds, and forget or justfiy Ranma's bad deeds.

[Crescent Pulsar]

So lets have a chat with Pulsar.

Oh, goody! *Rubs hands together*

Ive learned over the years some people dont like Ryoga, fine, I cant change that. We could argue back and forth about Ranma did this and Ryoga did that, but I stick to my statement that they have both been jerks.

Well, yeah. if you're going to be that general about it, of course anyone could be a jerk, at least one time in their lives.

Heres my one prob with your post.

Do you admit that Ranma is the cause of Ryoga's curse? Plain and simple, if you agree to that I dont see the need to argue.

And if you agree to that. While it may be an accident. Ranma shows no remorse. If someone cursed me to turn into a pig, I think I might hold a grudge.

No, I don't think Ranma is responsible for his curse. Sure, it was an accident, but it never would have happened if Ryoga hadn't been there, of his own volition. Now, if Ranma had grabbed Ryoga and purposefully tossed him in the direction of the springs, I would deem him responsible for cursing Ryoga. Otherwise, the entire accident was set up due to his own actions. He didn't have to go to China. Had he stayed in Japan, his chances of being cursed at Jusenkyo would have been nil. And it was only by chance that he happened to be where he was, when Genma rushed out of the bamboo. Which is also the case in how he decided to dodge Genma, which just happened to be where Ranma was approaching from. Not only could they not change their trajectories in mid-air, but it appears that it happened so fast that Ryoga couldn't deflect and Ranma hardly noticed. In the end, though, it's Ryoga's own fault for taking the competition over the bread seriously, his sense of direction for making him late, and his absurd decision to follow Ranma.

But Ranma was kind of enough to take some responsibility for Ryoga's curse. If Ryoga hadn't been so unreasonable about it, and then hadn't gone and used it to get close to Akane (who is Ranma's fiancee, remember), Ranma probably would have kept at it. Of course, since he couldn't get Akane to listen to him, in the first place, the best that he can do is make sure that Akane doesn't find out, since she would be greatly shamed by it, if it ever came to light. That may also explain why her father doesn't say anything about it. But that's just my take on it.

Also, I'd like to note that, despite how Ryoga treated Ranma while they attended school together, Ranma still went out of his way to get Ryoga back to his house whenever he got lost. It's Ryoga's own fault for not taking the opportunity to be friends with Ranma, and instead marked him as an antagonist.

So, it's Ryoga's fault.

As for selfish and self centered, "Shrugs" I can call Ranma selfish and self centered. We can both show evidence that Ranma and Ryoga are and are not, or we could just say that all the characters have good and bad moments.

In the context of their rivalry and the blame game, it's Ryoga who's the selfish and self-centered one. Plain and simple. Ranma's selfish and self-centered about other things, but, since we weren't talking about anything else, I need not go into it. ;p

And both Ranma and Ryoga are basically good guys at heart.

Then why argue about their rivalry at all? For that matter, why hold Ranma responsible for Ryoga's curse if he's a good guy at heart? Wouldn't it make more sense to say that it was simply Ryoga's mistake?

I just get annoyed when people crucify Ryoga for his bad deeds, and forget or justfiy Ranma's bad deeds.

It may not be that people forget. If you're talking about a specific event, then it would make no sense to bring up any bad deeds that are unrelated. But if you want to talk about bad deeds in general, then, sure, they've both accrued plenty. They've done good deeds, too. But, in the end, in my opinion, I think Ranma's better, as a person. Flawed, not perfect, but better.

Ranma as Ryoga's "sister":

I think Ranma was justified in doing it. An eye for an eye, as they say. Ryoga takes advantage of Ranma's kindness and concern for a threatened life, and for what? So he can be alone with his fiancee? That's pretty low.

He did it to get back at Ryoga, not to "cock block." The fundamentals of Ranma's character completely rules out such a thing, to begin with.

Ranma as Ryoga's maid:

This instance doesn't even need any justification. Ranma was great. But let's put this into proper perspective, since Ranma wasn't "cock blocking."

One, Ryoga lies in order to get Akane to visit him. And he knew that both of his parents were gone.

Two, Akari is Ryoga's girlfriend. Both Ryoga and Ranma make her status as such clear. And we know that Akane is Ranma's fiancee.

Three, in response to Ranma's observation about him two-timing both girls at once, Ryoga admits he wants to do something wrong by saying: "I beg you, Ranma... Just for today, look the other way!" Ranma takes offense to his proposed action, and decides to punish him for it by pretending to help him in his endeavor. Ranma has fun at Ryoga's expense by using his selfishness against him. And when he does, Ranma says, "How low can you go!? Sleaze!"

Four, Ranma's perilous game makes Ryoga realize: "This is my punishment for being so selfish and disloyal." And, when he's with Akari: "This is happiness of a different sort... I mustn't be greedy." (Although that didn't stop Ryoga from going back to Akane again, when Ranma told him that she wanted a hug.)

Five, in the end, after he finds out that Ranma was playing a trick on him, Ryoga's forced to admit that he's been a fool and needs to devote himself to only one of the girls.

All in all, a good prank, for a good reason.

And, in these instances, in regard to the topic, I don't find them dishonorable.

[Necavit]

Firstly being general about jerks. All Im trying to prevent is the...

Ranma did X
Well Ryoga did Y!
Well Ryoga only did Y because of Ranma did X... and so on and so on.

If you want to hold to the Ranma's done bad but Ryoga is worse, go for it. I cant convice you otherwise.

Im far more interested in the curse argument.

Your arguing its Ryoga's fault for being there? You blame the victim for being in a spot that he had every right to be in? Isnt that like me chasing after someone in blind rage, hitting a bystander into traffic, getting him killed and than saying the bystander shouldnt have been there? The bystander could be a drug dealer or assasin on an evil quest, its still my fault.

Ryoga had every right to be in that spot, and Ranma hit him in. How he got there, why he shouldnt be there is all nill. Ryoga had every right to be there and Ranma hit him in. Does it lessen sympathy for Ryoga cause he was there for a vendetta? Mabye. Does it make it no longer Ranma's fault? No. If Ranma had hit a normal guy off the cliff and he had died, Ranma would be at blame. You cant pick and choose fault due to who was hit.

As Ranma himself said. Ryoga why are you mad at me, it was the red head that cursed ya, you should blame her. So we have Ranma himself admitting it was the red heads fault.


As for the rest of the argument, hey I said they were both good guys, they still gotta take their lumps. Ryoga has a right to be pissed at Ranma for the curse, as Akane has a right to be pissed over P-chan. But its because Ranma's basically a good guy that Ryoga eventually drops it. I mean Ranma and Ryoga are down right frienly by the end of the manga.

Ok you explained the sister thing, though I dont see it as eye for an eye. I see it as head for an eye. Pretending to be a long lost relative of a guy who suffers extreme lonliness is harsh.

How bout pretending to be Ryoga's fiancee? Wasnt that plain out jealousy?

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

Just a quick comment in passing, but I'm not sure that accidental actually describes the initial cursing of Ryoga. Knocking him off the cliff and into the Spring of Drowned Piglet was unintentional on Ranma's part, but Ryoga was the one who purposely followed Ranma there and thusly put himself in harm's way. The semblance is less a pedestrian wandering onto a road in front of a speeding car and being hit, and more someone deliberately leaping out in front of a moving car and getting run over as a result.

[Necavit]

Heres a test.

Ryoga beats Ranma in a fight and than wanders off. Ranma isnt the type to take a loss so he follows Ryoga. One day Ranma's journey takes him to a cliff side and takes a look at the veiw. All of a sudden a screaming Ryoga comes barreling out chasing another man. Ryoga accidently hits Ranma and Ranma falls off the cliff and breaks hit neck.

But this is Ranma's fault right? Ranma shoudlnt have been in Ryoga way in the first place?

The fact is people allow their dislike for Ryoga to cloud their judgment in this case. Ryoga did not fling himself into traffic, he was flung. You argue he shouldnt have been there. Why not? He had every right to be there as Ranma did. Tell me why Ranma should have been there? Or do you mean that it was wrong for Ryoga to follow Ranma, therefore anything that happens to him is therefore justified?

Also there was no indication Ryoga was in harms way. He was standing on a cliff looking at the veiw.

Accidental and Unintentional, whats the difference?

Accidents dont absolve you of blame. If I hit you by accident, I apologise because I recognize that while it was unintentional I still hit you.

I dont say, well ya shouldnt have been in my way.

Ranma hit Ryoga. Ryoga fell off the cliff. Ryoga was cursed.

Blaming the vitim dosnt change a thing.

This is just very frustrating. I have clear proof Ranma was the cause for Ryoga to fall off the cliff. I have Ranma himself testifying that the redhead is at fault. But people tell me "well Ryoga shouldnt have followed Ranma to China, than Ranma wouldnt have knoced him in".

This is why I feel that in many eyes Ranma can do no wrong to Ryoga.