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Re: Genma Addams

Postby J. St.C. Patrick » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:47 pm

An interesting idea, Spokavriel. I hope you write it.

I haven't watched the original TV series in some time ( alas your links only work in the U.S. of A.)

I've seen the New Addams Family - John Astin ( the orginal Gomez) appeared twice as Grandpapa Addams

if you can find a copy of the collected works, take a look at the original drawings by Charles Addams which the TV series was based on.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:51 pm

I'm going to be having nightmares for a while now. The characters had less depth than ... I can't even say it. No I am not going to include any of that new attempt at the series if I can help it.

I am looking for a book that had the entire Addams works in it but it's been out of print since 92 so it's hard to track down. But if you had watched the original Addams Family show and even the movies I mentioned one extremely important thing about the Addams Family is that the characters were people. This new series they are painfully caricatures With the exceptions being Thing, The kids, and Fester.

The only character that can really work for is Gomez if you go back to the original drawings doing that to Tish is a painful crime against the character.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby J. St.C. Patrick » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:10 am

Spokavriel wrote: I'm going to be having nightmares for a while now. The characters had less depth than ... I can't even say it. No I am not going to include any of that new attempt at the series if I can help it.


Best to go with the original TV series as your canon and ignore the rest and any who say "But what about?"

Spokavriel wrote: I am looking for a book that had the entire Addams works in it but it's been out of print since 92 so it's hard to track down.

you need good used books stores or a really good library


Spokavriel wrote: But if you had watched the original Addams Family show and even the movies I mentioned one extremely important thing about the Addams Family is that the characters were people. This new series they are painfully caricatures With the exceptions being Thing, The kids, and Fester.

It's been a while since I saw the New Addams Family, but I recall it as being a bit juvenile.

Spokavriel wrote: The only character that can really work for is Gomez if you go back to the original drawings doing that to Tish is a painful crime against the character.

Sorry, that what can work for? It feels as if something is missing here.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:26 am

A shallow portrayal can only work for Gomez. And that only barely. He never took anything seriously for long.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:21 pm

I just thought of something funny that might work for a Cameo. The Senshi attacking Lurch Fester and Grandmama thinking they are some new Youma.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Anchoku » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:58 am

I would stay away from using material from the wretched movies and stick with the original TV show. However, you might consider reading some of Charles Addams' original cartoons. They carry a stronger essence of the macabre family and are not designed for children like the movies and TV shows. The cartoons are the heart of the concept (not the TV show) and would be good for reference.

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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:50 am

Yeah and I agree accept for one thing. The cartoons, original TV, and Movie series have the playfulness that let it work well with a comedy cartoon like Ranma.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby ckosacranoid » Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:00 am

i forgot how bad the new stuff is, but the 60's tv show is the best though.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:28 am

Even with trying to work a Senshi angle to the environment I'm having no luck working out a plot.

Even Nodoka's talks of meeting Genma's relatives don't make much of a story unless I can figure out more environment.

I mean I'm using it for reasons to make the Fictional normal woman Nodoka had more or less been when she was smashing tables over Genma's head to try to keep him from taking her baby away from her for so long. Into the sword swinging Manly obsessed grand-baby craving loon of fannon.

Sure I can come up with reasons to put people in places but its really hard to change a large page of excuses into a plot. Their just not that related.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Shanami » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:37 am

I think the real problem is that the series themselves, while amusing to try to put together, don't have enough in common. Yes, Gomez fences, or at least attempts to, but that's about as martial as the Addams get. Beyond that, they tend towards generally creepy/amusing and enjoying pain. Ranma is all about the fight, and while he's good at taking pain, he strikes me as not having the right mindset to fit into an Addams style plot while none of the Addams would understand Nerima at all.

I mean, the initial association was good, but it's just a hard thing to attempt to mix. I recall seeing an Addams/HP cross, and that didn't really work all that well either, but at least the 2 series are slightly easier to mesh.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:39 pm

I read a gilded life too. Its just that for the basics in this story concept its really Nodoka's character that has to somehow be reinvented to be someone that would turn into who she is in Fannon through interaction with the Addams. I think that's the whole problem. How the heck do you get Traditional anything from interaction with the Addams?

If there could be some other factor to balance it out and result in her character it might let this work but right now I just don't have it.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Tuisto » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:08 pm

I've read this thread.
Do you hear that sound off in the distance?
Yeah, that's me, cackling like a madman (not a difficult feat, I assure you) at the hilarity of the ideas in this thread.

My only point to ass would be that I would think it would be more interesting if it was Nodoka Addams, and Genma married into the family. Would explain Nodoka and Ranma's red hair better. Could even work that as an angle of why Genma was so insistant why he get Ranma away from the Addams family to preserve some sense of sanity.

The idea of the Senshi running into cousin IT would be hilarious!

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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:20 pm

The problem with Nodoka being the Addams is small. It doesn't give the extra justification to Genma's "Training" style of being a distant part of "That" family.
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby ckosacranoid » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:03 pm

to bad you are having trouble with this idea since it would be very funny to read though. not sure of ideas to toss around for you though..sorry.
but it would be really funny if you could pull it off.
how about starting with scences to start with just random stuff and go from there and see what works. its just an idea and you never know meybe something would come from ransom stuff being used and it could be funny with even just that stuff....
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Re: Genma Addams

Postby Spokavriel » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:08 pm

Biggest reason I never claim to want to have exclusive rights to any story idea I'm working on is because I am not much of a writer. I'm good at thinking up all sorts of details but working out a plot just gets difficult for me. And actually writing out scenes more so. Chances are someone might be able to finish a great fic with this idea before I can get what I want for a general plot knocked out so I even know what scenes to write.
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