Ranma Dark Moon-The Evil Senshi-Who Would Switch Sides

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Postby GenocideHeart » Mon May 29, 2006 10:05 pm

deathgeonous wrote:Not to spoil anything, but that Negagenesis attack? I have an good idea for Ranma useing it, and it will only happen ONCE in the entire fic, as of this moment. Defenitly no more then twice, but I only plan on Ranma useing it in ONE an ONLY ONE fight. Ranma, as can be seen in my chapter two, hates that attack. It scares Ranma.
Oh and Genocide, this may give my idea away, but what do you think would happen if two Negageesis attacks collided? A black hole like thing I'm thinking.

They'd negate each other, basically, and create a sudden void in the area. There's a good chance that anything not nailed to the ground nearby will be violently sucked inwards.
Of course, you're free to have whatever you want to happen. I created the attacks, now they're yours to modify and use as you see fit.
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Postby deathgeonous » Mon May 29, 2006 10:40 pm

That's what I was thinking too GenocideHeart, a new tiny black hole like thing. Just wanted your oppinion on it though. Thanks.
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Postby crystlshake » Mon May 29, 2006 11:38 pm

There may be some enemy attacks you can use as a template. I cant remember any specific ones that Beryl or one of the other enemies may have used. It may be a nice suprise to pull one out that the good senshi recognize from a previous foe. Perhaps the Dark Moon Kingdom went up against their own versions of the enemies and 'liberated' the techniques from their remains or lack there of. Nice hit of psychological fear on the good guys.
If Ranma is going to have a fear aura I wonder if it would help him better cope with his own fear. Perhaps the Nekoken enhances it with its own unique flavor, or the knowledge about how the aura works allows him to suppress it better. How it interacts with Happi's own fear aura or the Tendo Demon Head Technique offers up some interesting possibilites depending on how changed Ranma's personality becomes.
The most difficult part, I think, will be first showing the dark versions as evil or uncaring and later showing their humanity. Using Beryl and her generals as examples, and just like in any war, just because the enemy is 'evil' doesnt mean they are not human. The harsher living conditions for the DMK would provide ample reason to hide ones humanity or feelings. Those who openly show weakness tend to live short lives perhaps. Ranma being an emotional person most of the time (as far as displaying them) could really throw thier world upside down. Even something like a smile in public may be akin to a marriage proposal from where they're from. Could be a neat mechanic to exploit.
Im curious to see what the populace (if there is one) is treated like and how they fare. It says alot about a kingdom. If Ranma is supposed to be part of the royal society Im sure it will come up at some point.
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Postby GenocideHeart » Tue May 30, 2006 6:58 am

The dark versions completely lack any sort of morality whatsoever, IMHO. That doesn't mean they are outright evil, it just means thet they'll use dreadful violence and lethal force anytime they feel like it, regardless of how many bystanders get caught in the conflict.
Regarding the Dark Moon Kingdom, I see it as a totalitarian monarchy where the Empress holds absolute power and pretty much rules everything with an iron fist and no mercy whatsoever. In such conditions, I doubt the common populace fares very well... in fact, life is probably pretty miserable.
Hmm... well, I did find that old list of moves for that fic I never published, but I just realized some of them I already am using in other fics. Funny how much the group of 'warriors' I created is similar to the Dark Senshi, in terms of roles...
deathgenous, if you want some details, just ask. That old fic has been dead for longer than I've been on the Net, so I don't mind sharing some of what I made up with you. It won't be much, though, since as mentioned some of the concepts ad moves I'm using in other fics too.
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Postby GenocideHeart » Tue May 30, 2006 7:01 am

By the way, here's a strange idea. Why not have the Dark Moon's Beryl be still alive, actually a good guy and leading some sort of underground resistance? It could be quite interesting if things became so muddled up the Senshi aren't sure anymore which side is 'good' and which is 'bad'.
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Tue May 30, 2006 7:56 am

GenocideHeart wrote:Regarding the Dark Moon Kingdom, I see it as a totalitarian monarchy where the Empress holds absolute power and pretty much rules everything with an iron fist and no mercy whatsoever. In such conditions, I doubt the common populace fares very well... in fact, life is probably pretty miserable.

Eh that's pretty standard and expected.
Now if the populace had excelent care and plenty to eat and good living conditions... but they had no privacy of any kind. And of course anyone that said, did, or was suspected of suspicious activity would vanish for a while.
Some might even come back, but changed
This way it's closer to the fannon perception of Cystal Tokyo, and there's plenty of justification to why she's did this.
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Postby GenocideHeart » Tue May 30, 2006 8:09 am

Sunshine wrote:Eh that's pretty standard and expected.
Now if the populace had excelent care and plenty to eat and good living conditions... but they had no privacy of any kind. And of course anyone that said, did, or was suspected of suspicious activity would vanish for a while.
Some might even come back, but changed
This way it's closer to the fannon perception of Cystal Tokyo, and there's plenty of justification to why she's did this.
Only the little bugs that get out of line are crushed. Afterall, it is Serenity's anthill and she wants them to be productive and complacent little workers.

You're on to something, here. I had something like that in mind for my own fic, The Zodiac War. It's a much more interesting approach than the classic tyrannical rule, yes...
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Postby WG_Writer » Tue May 30, 2006 11:16 am

When I read this i figured that Dark Saturn would be an inverted Saturn powerwise. So instead of having Death reborn/ribbon Revolution, there is the polar oposit, a massive, planetwise healing. Instead of Silence Glave Surprise it would be the equilivent of Light Moon's healing attacks, I have no idea about Silence Wall, but her innate healing would be innate killing ability, 'The touch of death'. Just to keep it funny, have her hated because she is a force of Light rather then Darkness.
Storm trooper effect works against good guys as well.
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Postby bissek » Tue May 30, 2006 6:34 pm

Here's a notion I'm stealing from a totally unrelated anime: In Slayers, if a Holy (not White, but Holy) spell collides with a Black Spell, the result is a burst of Chaos energy, which is considerably more powerful than either of the two spells, and can punch through just about any defensive enchantment. Sort of a magical matter/antimatter explosion.
You could have it so if Moon and Dark Moon use opposite spells on the same target (A Dead Moon Vortex and a Moon Tiara Action, for example), the interaction between positive and negative energy would cause a massive explosion. This would be a technique the two would discover by accident, and used infrequently because of the catastrophic damage done to everything in the area.
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Postby deathgeonous » Tue May 30, 2006 6:36 pm

bissek, Me Likey. Me Likey a lot. I'll have to use that later on. Thanks.
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Postby GenocideHeart » Tue May 30, 2006 6:40 pm

That notion can be applied to opposite elemental magic, too. Take Chrono Trigger, an old SNES RPG. One ofthe eam-up attacks was called 'Antipode', and was unleashed by using ice and fire magic simultaneously on an opponent. The result was Shadow magic, in that case.
But yeah, Usagi uses positive energy, while Dark Moon's is negative. The effect would be akin to letting matter touch antimatter... it'd probably make a nuclear warhead look small and weak.
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Postby deathgeonous » Tue May 30, 2006 6:45 pm

Oh God, i can just see it. if Moon and Dark Moon do do that, the other Senshi with elmetal attacks could think of combing theirs. Like Mars and Mercury, Neptune and Jupiter for exampiles. That could be a way for the weaker normal Senshi to be able to seriouly damage their Dark counter parks. Must think hard on this now. Do I really want to do this? i'll let you guys know later.
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Postby bissek » Tue May 30, 2006 7:27 pm

I was thinking that using it with the weakest spells combining would char, blast and/or vaporize everything in a ten meter radius from the impact point. Using the upper level spells? You don't want to know. Trust me.
Using it with the other Senshi? There's a problem. Elemental magic doesn't work like that. It isn't so much a matter of positive and negative there as it is a matter of dominance. In a situation where the competing spells are of equal power:
Fire will defeat Earth
Earth will defeat Air
Air will defeat Water
Water will defeat Fire
Fire and Air (and Water and Earth) are dependent on the circumstances of the spells. Air can both feed a flame and snuff it out. Water can nourish the earth, or wash it away. There is no dominance between opposite elements, only the potential to help and/or hinder depending on how the power is used. As such, a combined Senshi attack other than with Moon/Dark Moon would require more thought than a simple A+B=BOOM tactic.
That's not to say it couldn't be done. Just think what would happen if you use a Hiryu Shoten Ha to provide fuel for a Mars Fire Soul, for example. Air feeds fire under the right conditions, so the tornado would amplify the fire spell, trapping the target in an inferno formed from his own power. You'd run the risk of burning down half of Juuban if you tried this, but it would work. Coming up with a way to SAFELY combine the powers of Senshi with Senshi/NWC ally will be the tricky part.
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Postby GenocideHeart » Tue May 30, 2006 7:34 pm

bissek wrote:Fire will defeat Earth
Earth will defeat Air
Air will defeat Water
Water will defeat Fire

Actually, generally it is Air > Earth > Water > Fire > Air. The reasoning being:
Air can erode mountains, which are under Earth dominion.
Earth can soak up water.
Water can douse fire.
Fire can move large masses of air by heating them up.
However, there are some systems where using opposing magic (Air <> Earth, Fire <> Water/Ice) will result in a violent explosion, as the two opposing powers don't mix and will react badly.
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Postby deathgeonous » Tue May 30, 2006 7:43 pm

I'm not going with the circle theory, though it is the more promnite one, if I do do this it's going to be the opposites cause a BIG BOOM theory. Thanks guys.
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