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Postby Tovath » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:58 pm

For all we know there is a goverment coverop also fighting yoma and thats why the senshi don't have to go outside their ward to fight yoma or the villains could be bribeing the goverment officals
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Postby Shadell » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:59 pm

Tovath wrote:For all we know there is a goverment coverop also fighting yoma and thats why the senshi don't have to go outside their ward to fight yoma or the villains could be bribeing the goverment officals

And no one interfered with the senshi at all... Or helped them or contacted them.. Again odd...
As for the goverment working with youma or villains bribing goverment officials... The villains wouldn't plan that much ahead. All the villains have done in canon is attack constantly without any thought at all.
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Postby antimatterenergy » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:17 pm

Every villain was completely insane, yet managed to retain a personal army of mostly intelligent youma. None used anything RESEMBLING strategy, and we're expected to believe that no one tried to poison them and take their place? We've seen evidence that youma are not always completely subservient... So why was there no treason amidst the ranks? even with the shear power difference, poisoning or backstabbing wouldn't be that hard with such a stupid leader.

The most powerful at the exact top of the line baddies were beyond the ability to really back stab. Galaxia had their star crystals and some others didn't really have physical forms such as Phaoroah 90 and Metellia. Also if they did try the punishment for failing was death or worse. Wiseman was tricking the blackmoon family to do their bidding. The most powerful ones also kept themselves isolated from the others for the most part. Also a lot of the higher ups wouldn't care (and might have for the hell of it) if they killed you so it was dangerous for the lower ones to even be near them.
The second tier Witches/generals/etc... had lots of in fighting and some killed each other. Some of the second tier tried to kill the top tier as well Demando tried to kill Wiseman when he realised the wiseman was just useing them.
The low tier Youma/droids etc... where created with a purpose and though somewhat intelligent they had no experience so wouldn't have known to try and get power for themselves. For the most part they only existed for that episode.
Also the enemies did have strategies. They weren't great and they really underestimated they're enemies but they did have them. Also it is likely that at least in the case of Phaoroh 90 and Galaxia that these tactics worked on other worlds why bother altering strategies that were proven to work.
About the senshi's stress. They probably should of shown more stress than they did but they did always win and nothing really bad happened that wasn't easily reversable. who say's that the senshi are normal? Sailormoon obsesses on Tuxedo Kamen, Ami throws herself into studying, etc.. All that pent up stress maybe part of why they try and create a utopia. All the battles and stuff push them more into a fantasy type world where good wins and bad loses. Also they know about Crystal Tokyo so they know that in the end they win, that would take away a lot of stress I'd imagine. Ex. if you knew that you were going to get an A on a critical final exam that would reduce your stress on it a lot (I know that it's not the same type of situation but it is only an example of how having foreknowledge can reduce stress). Also they've seen that Sailormoon can wave her crystal and make most things right if bad stuff happens. She's shown that she can reverse death so why fear it to the same extent.
About why no government intervention. Well Sailormoon did use her crystal to wipe the worlds memories of the entire first season (including her own when she wished to be a normal school girl after defeating Beryl). So it's possible magic intervened.
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Postby Tovath » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:34 pm

And no one interfered with the senshi at all... Or helped them or contacted them.. Again odd...

And how would they contact the senshi? How could they possable know that Usagi was Sailor Moon or where they would defeat the next yoma? Without this information they would not able to contact them.
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Postby Metroidvania » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:47 pm

The second tier Witches/generals/etc... had lots of in fighting and some killed each other.

Very true, the witches basically slaughtered each other off one after the other.....
As for the generals, that was a bit more interesting, as they seemed to have memories of the past......
But then they got sealed into crystals, and I don't think they ever got out....
About why no government intervention. Well Sailormoon did use her crystal to wipe the worlds memories of the entire first season (including her own when she wished to be a normal school girl after defeating Beryl). So it's possible magic intervened

Also true, and it does show that Usagi's more than capable of doing something that could lead to the brainwashed masses.....
But I know the Senshi retained their memories, so it wasn't a total overwrite of their skills, and Luna and Artemis didn't get affected by the wipe, so maybe that shows that the Ginzuishou's not all-powerful, unless some part of Usagi didn't want to give up being Sailor Moon.....
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Postby EdenB » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:16 pm

On the government part:
As an assumption, since the senshi clothes are made up of ribbons that go into a little pen and come out of it, tracking devices would fall off if any were attached.
Since most battles start and end quite quickly, it'd also be hard to have someone in place to follow them to find out identities to contact. Especially since the setting doesn't seem to have modern things like CCTV everywhere and that battles happen too quickly and senshi leave right after to find them in a battle to talk.
The energy stolen was supposedly life energy, basically ki which according to science doesn't exist. So there wouldn't be equipment to track it most likely. After that it was dream mirrors, heart crystals and star seeds instead of energy anyway.
Venus doesn't have games out, Sailor V did. In the one clip I remember seeing of Sailor V she doesn't use Sailor Venus powers at all and it was when she was in England (which does make you wonder why they have SD Sailor V games in Japan). Besides, just having a video game of her shooting monsters with a gun doesn't mean they can help. All that shows is they have a general description possibly just based on rumors.
The Government proberly would take note of the reports of monster attacks, quite a few influentual people have been attacked during the series which is proberly enough as well as people they'd proberly class as 'local-crazies' otherwise. Battles are over within minutes of the monster appearing though and can happen anywhere, so what can they do apart from tell people to run if they see them and call the police.
The one time I can think of that any enemy actually said in advance that they'd be in such a place was Jedite and if I recall, police were there to try tape the airport off and guard the place at least. Another obvious one was in StarS when Galaxia rained down star seed stealing lightning, but they didn't know where it was coming from then and everyone outside seemed to be affected.
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Postby Shadell » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:44 pm

EdenB wrote:On the government part:
As an assumption, since the senshi clothes are made up of ribbons that go into a little pen and come out of it, tracking devices would fall off if any were attached.
Since most battles start and end quite quickly, it'd also be hard to have someone in place to follow them to find out identities to contact. Especially since the setting doesn't seem to have modern things like CCTV everywhere and that battles happen too quickly and senshi leave right after to find them in a battle to talk.
The energy stolen was supposedly life energy, basically ki which according to science doesn't exist. So there wouldn't be equipment to track it most likely. After that it was dream mirrors, heart crystals and star seeds instead of energy anyway.
Venus doesn't have games out, Sailor V did. In the one clip I remember seeing of Sailor V she doesn't use Sailor Venus powers at all and it was when she was in England (which does make you wonder why they have SD Sailor V games in Japan). Besides, just having a video game of her shooting monsters with a gun doesn't mean they can help. All that shows is they have a general description possibly just based on rumors.
The Government proberly would take note of the reports of monster attacks, quite a few influentual people have been attacked during the series which is proberly enough as well as people they'd proberly class as 'local-crazies' otherwise. Battles are over within minutes of the monster appearing though and can happen anywhere, so what can they do apart from tell people to run if they see them and call the police.
The one time I can think of that any enemy actually said in advance that they'd be in such a place was Jedite and if I recall, police were there to try tape the airport off and guard the place at least. Another obvious one was in StarS when Galaxia rained down star seed stealing lightning, but they didn't know where it was coming from then and everyone outside seemed to be affected.

A lot of enemy headquarters are really obvious. And if Sailor V is populer enough to warrent video-games, it is likely she is more then an urban legend. Also several episodes have mentioned that Sailor Moon is something of an idol.
And I can't see a reasonably competent goverment, failing to track the senshi at all... Considering that their transformations would likely have been caught on survailance cameras several times given where they transformed. It wouldn't be that hard for anyone with access to those records to identify the senshi in civilian disguise.
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Postby antimatterenergy » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:00 pm

I don't recall the enemies of the senshi's headquarters to be obvious.
Wasn't Mistress 9's headquarters a school and a house?
Wasn't Beryl's headquarters in a different dimension?
The Dead Moon Circus was a circus that magically appeared?
How are those obvious villain lairs?
Also out of curiosity where did they transform that had video camera. It's not like now where they are everywhere.
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Postby Shadell » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:10 pm

antimatterenergy wrote:I don't recall the enemies of the senshi's headquaters to be obvious.
Wasn't Mistress 9's head quaters a school and a house?
Wasn't Beryl's headquaters in a different dimension?
The Dead Moon Circus was a circus that magically appeared?
How are those obvious villian lairs?

Err... I hope that was partially joking. And Beryl's headquarters was also in antartica somehow. The heat would have triggered several satalite's to notice it.
As for the school, there were several attacks within the school, and it got turned into a warzone at the end...
The circus is rather self explanatory.
The simple fact is that, if the genre is changed to be realistic, a lot about SM would change, and I doubt CT would be concieved in the same fashion as in the idealistic fantasy that is SM.
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Postby antimatterenergy » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:14 pm

There was a portal at the south pole the place itself was in another dimension.
When it was turned into a war zone the government might of noticed but other then that it was just a place where a few attacks happened there wasn't a lot.
The circus magically appeared and nobody noticed so I feel it would be safe to say that magic would of prevented them from noticing it's arrival like everyone else didn't notice. It would appeared to have just been another circus.
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Postby Tovath » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:21 pm

And if Sailor V is populer enough to warrent video-games, it is likely she is more then an urban legend.

But Sailor V earned her reutahin in Enland and every one knows crazy things happen on the other side of the world.
Beryl's headquarters was also in antartica somehow. The heat would have triggered several satalite's to notice

actully I think that it was just the warp that was there. Warp zones don't preduce heat.
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Postby Shadell » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:21 pm

antimatterenergy wrote:There was a portal at the south pole the place itself was in another dimension.
When it was turned into a war zone the government might of noticed but other then that it was just a place where a few attacks happened there wasn't a lot.
The circus magically appeared and nobody noticed so I feel it would be safe to say that magic would of prevented them from noticing it's arrival like everyone else didn't notice. It would appeared to have just been another circus.

I doubt the goverment would have failed to notice the massive battle in antartica. Given how much satelite surveilance do we have of the world it would seem unlikely nothing picked up the heat from the fight.
But I doubt the circus people would have had the foresight to alter goverment records. As soon as someone checked the circus' permits theyw would have discovered it shouldn't be there.
Ultimately the goverment would be well aware of the senshi by that point and in a realistic world would have taken some action.
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Postby Tovath » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:27 pm

I might be wrong because I haven't actully watched that season just read about it, but didn't the Black Moon Circus have a clocking spell on it to stop normal people from seeing it.
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Postby antimatterenergy » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:38 pm

Wouldn't matter if the government noticed the massive battle in antartica or not Sailormoon erased that entire arc from peoples minds and altered records evidentally so that Matako was already at the school even though she didn't transfer in until later.
The government is busy and may not of gotten a chance to check the circus's permits or the guy sent to do so may of had something happen to him so that he marked them as having them or was too lazy to bother actually checking.
What kind of action could the government do since the only time they would really notice anything is after a battle. Evacuate the millions of people in tokyo or start a panic. I'm sure they would try and keep tabs on the sailor senshi but how would they go about tracking people who show up for a little bit then disappear. Can't even track the enemy because many of them teleported. Hell the government may of decided to try and cover up the battles to avoid paniking the popolulace.
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Postby Shadell » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:47 pm

antimatterenergy wrote:Wouldn't matter if the government noticed the massive battle in antartica or not Sailormoon erased that entire arc from peoples minds and altered records evidentally so that Matako was already at the school even though she didn't transfer in until later.
The government is busy and may not of gotten a chance to check the circus's permits or the guy sent to do so may of had something happen to him so that he marked them as having them or was too lazy to bother actually checking.
What kind of action could the government do since the only time they would really notice anything is after a battle. Evacuate the millions of people in tokyo or start a panic. I'm sure they would try and keep tabs on the sailor senshi but how would they go about tracking people who show up for a little bit then disappear. Can't even track the enemy because many of them teleported. Hell the government may of decided to try and cover up the battles to avoid paniking the popolulace.

Permits wouldn't be in the records. A clerk might notice, and some actions could be taken.
As for goverment action... Well intervening on the Senshi's behalf maybe? Getting a view of their ideology (Which they probably wouldn't be too happy about) or follow them to the fights and have a team trained to respond quickly.
Additionaly the fact that the populace knows about the senshi, and no one shows any concern over the monsters they fight... is just a tad unbelievable.
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